Am I unreasonable to be pleased that Puberty Blockers have been banned by the executive in Northern Ireland with unanimous cross-party support

I prefer to leave it to their parents and experts.

Most parents have their children's best interests at heart. Not all. Many parents are not equipped to judge whether they are being well advised. Dotted around the globe some HCPs, motivated by greed and/or ideology, have pushed for novel treatments to be used without any reall evidence that they are going to do any good and that they're safe. They have done their level best to suppress all critisicm, including from patients aghast at what's been done to their bodies.

I therefore don't prefer to leave it to their parents and experts who've not been objective and practised in an ethical way.

I take it you're one of those be kind people 🙄

Certainly Wes Streeting has said that their use for their original intended use (precocious puberty) is not being impacted by these changes.

So the expert advice is being implemented, yes.

Banning PB is great news, but it’s dealing with the symptom of the real issue, not the crux of it. Until it is medically realised that gender dysphoria often stems from ND children struggling with the teenage years and natural changes that brings, the social difficulties that becomes more apparent (and distressing) during these years and mental health support in general - it will never truly go away. This is on top of needing to seriously crack down on young people and social media use, especially forums that are used for gender grooming.

Yes - hence my comment.

So did you read the Cass review?

It’s an open board for people to share their views. Why are you policing responses?

I equally do not want children to be harmed which is why I prefer to leave it to their parents and experts.

Exactly. What happened to people's moral compasses to lead them to abandon all this?

As long as they are still available for precocious puberty, the very condition that they were developed for. Can happen spontaneously but it is also connected to certain chromosomal and genetic conditions. Puberty before age 8 in particular.

I'm very concerned that due to the furore over prescribing for otherwise healthy youngsters, those who need them will not have access

Agreed. Doing the right thing is the importance bit. If they've realised it's a vote loser, at least they're listening to the population.

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Every single person who ever consults a doctor or other healthcare professional should be concerned when it becomes clear that a fashionable treatment is not actually doing what the professionals claim and when it turns out that there either hasn't been any rigorous research or the results have been suppressed or misinterpreted. We all need good quality health care. We should all be supporting total honesty and transparency around research. We should all be expecting ethics committees to ask extremely searching questions so that they are in with a chance of stopping poor quality research going ahead, especially when it's on particularly vulnerable groups like children who need others to advocate for them.

Excellent news.

I don't care whether the parties that voted for a ban did so because they have woken up to the irreversible harms caused by puberty blockers or whether it's because they decided that sterilising unhappy, confused children isn't a vote winner.

I just care about the result.

One of the biggest issues with giving puberty blockers to gender confused children is that in many cases they've then progressed to taking cross-hormones and never had the normal puberty for their sex. This doesn't happen with children who go through precocious puberty. Their puberty is delayed from the very early age it would have happened without medication but when they come off blockers their body resumes the normal changes of puberty. The two cases are therefore not comparable.

This is good news from NI.

You honestly don't care about vulnerable children? Children who are often autistic, gay or have experienced childhood sexual abuse?

Do you not care about other groups affected by medical scandals? The Thalidomide children? Those given infected blood? Do you not care about them either?

I wouldn't be fucking bragging about that if I were you. It speaks to a shameful lack of empathy and understanding.

Obvs 🫠

This is ridiculous.

Puberty blockers of course have their place, to treat a medical condition, when they have been properly tested and licensed.

This is not the case for gender confused children. And quite why anyone wants these children to be medical guinea pigs, I cannot fathom.

No this just is not about precocious puberty which has nothing to do with autistic and / or gay children being convinced by adults that they are really the wrong sex.

Puberty blockers are licensed and tested for precocious puberty but are not intended to fix children who frankly don't need fixing.

The point about orgasm is connected to when in puberty blockers are taken.

But WPATH doctors admitted, on camera, that children whose puberty is interrupted at a certain point for a certain length will not be able to orgasm as grown ups

Puberty blockers have been properly tested and approved for precocious puberty and the length of time they are typically prescribed for is less.

And yes, unfortunately there are still potential side effects, which thankfully you avoided.

You are not comparing like with like.

Most of Mumsnet is too blinded by prejudice to see any use in puberty blockers in medicine or use any critical thinking on the matter.