AIBU to think famous women don't look worse because they age, it's because of the surgery.

Joan Collins apparently has her own camera crew, lighting makes a big difference too. What an icon. Agree she looks fab which I said upthread & also she’s always been quite astonishingly beautiful I think. That helps.

Interesting re: men & surgery becoming more common. Brad Pitt’s looks good, poss David Beckham’s had tweaks? Has Simon Cowell had a facelift?

I do.

I don't think Nicole Kidman is a good example of a woman who looks good for her age and not too much surgery. I watched a romcom with her and Zac Efron earlier this year and it was a bizarre experience. To be fair he was the one who looked most odd and least like himself. He's said that he had an accident which meant he had to have work done which is true but it was a good few years ago and the work he's had done now makes him look older, which is interesting. NK just looks not quite right and it's very much a filler thing. The beauty is still there but the work has taken some of it away and that's sad but I get it. If you're a beautiful woman and get work because you're a beautiful woman there is no way that you can get away with having no tweaks at all done and that's a damn shame.

Zac Efron is interesting because clearly we're going to see more and more obvious work on male stars. It's not that we've never seen it but it's been less of a big thing with men. I quite like his new face but he looks so different it's as though I'm looking at a completely different person.

Joan Collins seems to have a genius surgeon. My guess is that she's been having the tiniest little lifts and tweaks for decades and that she's stayed clear of most filler type stuff. I couldn't be doing with all the work and upkeep it must take to to look like that but it's hard not to admire her determination to look "her best". She now looks younger than her much younger husband who probably hasn't had any work done.

the normalisation of it all outside of the entertainment industry is sad. There is so much beauty in aging and it's a shame that we appear to be forgetting that fact. I hate that people are having obvious work at much younger ages. I've always thought that Zoe Kravitz is stunningly beautiful - no surprise when you look at her beautiful parents - but she appears to have had buccal fat removal and just why, why, why do that to a beautiful face!

I don't judge any of the people I've talked about here. Women have enough pressure put upon them for the way they look or should look or don't look or want to look ... I do judge a society that brings pressure to bear on people and that sees aging as something that needs to be fixed rather than the most natural fact of life that should be celebrated not "escaped from" by any plastic or filler means necessary.

Completely agree. I am so sick of the sight of fillers.

Not just women though. Ryan Reynolds' aesthetic work makes him look so strange - like he's gone both forward and back in time. He'd look so much lovelier with some natural aging lines and wrinkles

@AppropriateAdult I think it used to be the case that a certain obvious look in surgery implied some status, wealth. Some liked it just like some like OTT eyelashes & huge overinflated lips. It’s a look.

They say Lindsay Lohan has had a new generation type facelift. Subtlety in facial aesthetics is now increasingly ‘in’. I imagine the work will only get better & one day we’ll treat ageing like a disease with ££ & shots.

I know a couple of women who have had facelifts in Australia, one, looks incredible & at 65 she could pass for 40. She’s very athletic & this helps with result. Also it’s down to the quality of her glowing skin. The other is around 80 & looks superficially late 50s/60s & whilst the ‘work’ objectively fantastic she’s otherwise clearly an ‘old’ woman & it looks jarring. Her husband now looks much older next to her too.

Gillian Anderson - def no sagging there & she’s known for her jawline.

Isn't that because"Black don't crack"?

I think it's to do with the pressure of the industry they're in. They don't live in the real world and their 'look' is what they have relied on to succeed in life. When you're surrounded by top cosmetic surgeons, all your colleagues in the same industry are doing it and you know your career depends on your look, and you have millions to do it, it's hard not to get sucked in. There is probably all sorts of pressures from their agents too.

I was just talking about this the other day. All of the above only really applies to white celebs. I can’t think of any Black or Asian actresses who don’t look fantastic (for their age and in general). Angela Bassett, Halle Berry, Michelle Yeoh…all astonishingly beautiful women who have just stayed astonishingly beautiful, possibly with the odd tasteful tweak and/or lift.

I don't think that's it. The point is that, in their quest to look 'youthful and attractive', these high-profile women are being sold a lie. Courtney Cox now says openly that she thinks she went a bit mad with cosmetic surgery and treatments, and finds it hard to look at photos of herself from that time.

I think faces are such an integral part of how we respond to other people on a human level that there can be an instinctive revulsion when looking at someone who's had a lot of 'work' done - it's genuinely hard to look at, just to take one example, Lindsey Lohan now when you remember what she used to look like. Someone simply getting older, and that change being visible in their face, is a completely different thing.

@OnLockdown I couldn’t believe Philippine was 61, she has it all going on. So chic.

@rewilded Kate W is an interesting one as she really might have had ‘nothing’ done. She’s always been intelligent, sassy & confident & her beauty seems to shine from that place.

@Ladyswhatlunch yes, you’ve nailed it. I think those with almond shaped eyes are prob more likely to stray into ‘piss holes in snow’ territory in time. Who wants to sag if it can be avoided?

Kate Winslet is very refreshing.

Women I think look great without having had loads of work done.

Kate Winslet 49
Linda Cardellini 49
Toni Colette 52
Monica Belluci 60
Philippine Leroy-Beaulieu 61
Jodie Foster 62
Kristin Scott Thomas 64

(They've probably had some)

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* I see that but morphing into a dumpy, aged crone & seeing an old woman rising ‘terrible fish’ like to meet me in mirror isn’t fun. Look at Trinny at 60 toned, great skin & full of pizazz or an incoming naturally & gracefully aged Ena Sharples? It’s interesting we’re only talking about great beauties or the attractive in naturally aged camp.

My mum isn't a "great beauty" she's just an ordinary smiley energetic woman and she looks great she just doesn't look like a woman of 25 and that's fine. Good can look good in different ways.

Yes the surgery has really helped her age naturally…….

However, I think we are recently finally seeing some good work. Mainly very expensive face lifts (rather than filler.) See Lindsay Lohan

Lindsay lohan is only 38!

The main differences are she's lightened her hair and done more glowy bronzed make up, you've lost what had become a harsher contrast between very fair, almost translucent skin & red/auburn hair. She does look like she's had filler in her upper lip but plenty of women still have great skin at 38.

I think some look amazing. Kylie, Amanda Holden and Trinny Woodall spring to mind. Some like Victoria B and Jennifer Anniston don’t look so well to me. I never actually thought JA was pretty but she had sweet and delicate features which just seem to have been hardened and masculinised with all the procedures.

It’s not just about wrinkles though, it’s the sag that is ageing, the slack jawline, the turkey neck, the upper eyelids drooping so it’s hard to put on make up because your eyelids disappear, the downward turn of the mouth, the thinning of the lips, I could go on. Some of them go too far but I can fully understand why they do it, they have the resources so if they have work to counteract the sag I don’t blame them one bit. As an aside I think a good facelift and upper blepharoplasty look great, it’s the fillers if taken too far that give the uncanny valley look.

@PerditaLaChien I see that but morphing into a dumpy, aged crone & seeing an old woman rising ‘terrible fish’ like to meet me in mirror isn’t fun. Look at Trinny at 60 toned, great skin & full of pizazz or an incoming naturally & gracefully aged Ena Sharples? It’s interesting we’re only talking about great beauties or the attractive in naturally aged camp.

Kristen scott thomas also looks terrific.

I don’t like how NK looks now at all. That sticking out mouth gives her no range of expression; all she has is a sort of serious / judicious pout whatever is going on. It works in a way for a lot of the sort of solemn parts she gets married to the worst man in the world, but it’s heavy and boring. When she was very young she had unusually (unfashionably) delicate features and there was something a bit special about that. Now I don’t like looking at her

Oh and its possible to look like sigourney weaver at 75 without work. My mums skin etc does - she eats well, gets lots of exercise and is always busy. She is about a size 12/14 which i think looks better than very slim as you age.

Sigourney Weaver looks fabulous.