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Sick of ignorant people re my religion

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Loisep · 09/12/2024 20:06

I’m married to a Dane. We met in London at university. We have a great relationship but the ignorance from his friends, family and acquaintances is almost too much to handle.

I am half Indian and was loosely raised Sikh. I think the UK does quite well in comparison to other countries re education on religion. Most Brits do not naturally assume I am Muslim.

That is not the case when I am in Denmark. God forbid I have a beer with new people. “Oh is that not halal?” Blah blah. I end up feeling guilty saying no I’m not Muslim all the time. Like I am distancing myself. I knew there would cultural differences but I never expected such ignorance. So many people think brown people = Arab (in Europe).

Dh wants to move back home and I would if it wasn’t for this extreme ignorance. I worry for future kids.

Am I the one with a chip on my shoulder? Should I just accept that people from other countries have been exposed to different cultural groups? Ie not had an Indian diaspora

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ErrolTheDragon · 10/12/2024 10:03

Why would the Danes have to research & understand OPs culture to make it easier for her to visit if she's not willing to learn about Denmark s history & its peoples culture.

I don't think the op has indicated she expects danes to do the former , or that she's not willing to do the latter.

housethatbuiltme · 10/12/2024 10:02

Annabella92 · 10/12/2024 09:54

But the OP expects Danes to know about all other cultures? Listen to yourself

No she expects not to be accused of or called out on stuff based on simply her skin colour.

Shes not asking them to host Sikh holidays and change anything they do in day to day life except to stop telling her she is muslim when shes not.

housethatbuiltme · 10/12/2024 09:58

Skyrainlight · 09/12/2024 20:53

So you go to another country and expect people there to understand your religion that they know nothing about because it's not part of their culture? Very unreasonable. The world does not revolve around you.

All 'brown' people are exactly the same = racism.

Its not much to expect people not to be racist in this day and age.

Feelingathomenow · 10/12/2024 09:56

Blackdovedown · 10/12/2024 09:42

Fuck me. English people really do skip straight from 1066 to Henry 8th to Queen Vic to WW2 and stop there in history lessons don’t they!
Britains colonial history stretches right into the 1900s, partition of India was 1947 - there are plenty of people
alive who remember it.

Are you normally this racist? I simply asked closer to what, closeness geographically, in time, in culture? And to closeness do whom? It’s not difficult, it is not my fault that you immediately whip out inaccurate racist comments about the English when someone asks you to explain your very vague statement.

Annabella92 · 10/12/2024 09:54

TooBigForMyBoots · 09/12/2024 20:45

Why should the OP have to research any history of Denmark and Islam?Confused She is not Muslim.

But the OP expects Danes to know about all other cultures? Listen to yourself

Notenoughcoffe · 10/12/2024 09:51

How are we racist? I dont get it - because some of us assuming religion based on skin colour? Or what?

IknowIputitsomewhere · 10/12/2024 09:47

I lived in Denmark for more than a decade. Religion is a surprisingly integral part of the culture, despite a relatively small minority people going to church regularly. I chose to opt out of the church tax, and I had some less than pleasant comments about it.

Unfortunately, being a small country, there is a huge amount of racism in Denmark. It's not the image that the rest of the world has of the country because in so many ways it's socially forward-thinking and community-minded. But I found it more racist than the UK overall.

Serencwtch · 10/12/2024 09:45

TooBigForMyBoots · 09/12/2024 20:45

Why should the OP have to research any history of Denmark and Islam?Confused She is not Muslim.

Because she wants to visit Denmark!

Why would the Danes have to research & understand OPs culture to make it easier for her to visit if she's not willing to learn about Denmark s history & it's peoples culture.

Skyrainlight · 10/12/2024 09:43

Loisep · 09/12/2024 23:27

I’m so shocked that people genuinely think it is acceptable to assume a person’s religion based on nothing more than skin colour or physical appearance in 2024. I’m not expecting the average Dane to be an expert on Indian religions and to name the 10 gurus in chronological order. It would be nice if the very basic concept that brown people are not a monolith was understood.

If I was speaking to someone who was of East Asian descent I would ask “may I ask what your country of origin is? (if appropriate to do so). I wouldn’t go up to them and ask “are you [insert nationality]? That would be unbelievably ignorant and rude.

Im certainly no expert on world religions myself but I do my best not to be ignorant to people’s faces.

Edited

I would have thought in 2024 people would be accepting of the cultural differences between countries and the way they communicate. But hey, as long as you are only being judgmental and condemning a nation online rather than to their faces that's ok. I think the Danish would prefer you didn't hide behind your fake politeness and were honest with them.

Blackdovedown · 10/12/2024 09:42

Feelingathomenow · 10/12/2024 09:37

A lot closer to what?

Fuck me. English people really do skip straight from 1066 to Henry 8th to Queen Vic to WW2 and stop there in history lessons don’t they!
Britains colonial history stretches right into the 1900s, partition of India was 1947 - there are plenty of people
alive who remember it.

SleepingStandingUp · 10/12/2024 09:39

Feelingathomenow · 09/12/2024 21:52

That’s not a bad thing imo. I think teaching of religion should be limited to helping interpret art that a person is likely to come across in the culture of their homeland and to understand the institutions of their country. Everything else is a personal interest of the individual

Does the same go for Geography or History? So no need to teach about say volcanoes in the UK education system because we don't have them. No need to teach about any wars we weren't involved in. Perhaps we can write off foreign authors too

ErrolTheDragon · 10/12/2024 09:39

But it’s not reasonable to expect strangers to know - or care - what religion you were born into whether you’re Danish or not, to be honest

That's the OPs point! wtf are they bringing up religion just because she's brown?

Blackdovedown · 10/12/2024 09:38

Regardless of anyones opinion, if that’s the way it is in Denmark then you’ll need to decide whether or not it’s going to drive you mad correcting people all the time?
Of course it’s annoying that people make assumptions like that. Will it drive you mad?
I have spent 30 years living in England and saying ‘ no actually I’m…’ but it’s something I have come to accept and I feel like at least I’m changing perceptions bit by bit in some way.

ErrolTheDragon · 10/12/2024 09:37

I'm still not buying this 'culture of direct questions' as an excuse for casual racism.

The thing is, this sort of thoughtless assumption and 'direct questioning' was the norm in the U.K. not so long ago. Decent people have mostly moved on a bit and moderate their natural curiosity by having some basic consideration for the feelings of the person they're questioning or might be making assumptions about.

Feelingathomenow · 10/12/2024 09:37

Blackdovedown · 10/12/2024 09:35

Yes, but when it comes to India and the partition etc… it’s a lot closer isn’t it?

A lot closer to what?

Feelingathomenow · 10/12/2024 09:36

LurkyLuke · 10/12/2024 09:19

I understood your point and agree 👍

And what is the point?

SleepingStandingUp · 10/12/2024 09:36

Supersimkin7 · 09/12/2024 21:42

OP, lots of people move to Denmark after marrying for love. I know three!

It’s a very distinctive culture that pretty much everyone loves once they’re used to it. Very welcoming.

But it’s not reasonable to expect strangers to know - or care - what religion you were born into whether you’re Danish or not, to be honest.

Except they DO care enough to pass comment on how she lives her life. If they didn't care, they'd just be "ah, nice beer! Cheers!"

Blackdovedown · 10/12/2024 09:35

JudgeJ · 09/12/2024 20:58

Sorry, now I've stopped laughing at this ridiculous rubbish, I would suggest you examine the history of the Danes.
I get sick of the racist comments re Britain, colonialism was wrong but, for the the simple people on MN and there are plenty, most European countries had colonies, Google it!

Yes, but when it comes to India and the partition etc… it’s a lot closer isn’t it?

Skyrainlight · 10/12/2024 09:33

miniaturepixieonacid · 09/12/2024 22:39

But surely what we know isn't limited to what we learn in school. I meant educated in a wider sense. I don't think I ever did Sikhism at school but I know about it through books, tv, films, the internet, general life, conversations. It's weird to me that one of the major world religions wouldn't even be recognisable to most of the population of an educated, Western, first world country.

Can you tell me about some of African religions? Where do they hold their worship services?

Feelingathomenow · 10/12/2024 09:26

CatNoon · 10/12/2024 00:47

Koolaid isn’t particularly very British. Perhaps you meant drinking the anti British Vimto? 🤔

No o meant Koolaid. It’s an adopted phrase.

Skyrainlight · 10/12/2024 09:24

RisingSunn · 10/12/2024 09:15

But I’m guessing white people (let’s say British in for this example) won’t get asked this in Denmark

So if religion is not a thing in a region…let it not be a thing.

Ok, let's tell all the people in Denmark what they are or are not allowed to ask in their own country. Their directness is only appropriate when it is approved by someone else. In a majority white country they may assume that a white British person was of the same religion (or non religion) as them and not ask. In fact, all white British people should be offended that they have any silent assumptions made about their religion and get annoyed about not getting asked. You can force your tiptoeing on cultures that don't tiptoe around people who are different to their norm.

Notenoughcoffe · 10/12/2024 09:20

My new neighbor is from Bosnia. I asked her so Many questions 😂 she is muslim - wouldnt have a clue if i didnt ask if she was religious. I had no clue what religions is from there, but if i did know, i Would have asked if she was that particular religion.

LurkyLuke · 10/12/2024 09:19

Ablondiebutagoody · 09/12/2024 21:27

Calm down. The Danes didn't colonise India so don't have those historic links was my point, not a general discussion on colonialism.

Edited

I understood your point and agree 👍

RisingSunn · 10/12/2024 09:15

Skyrainlight · 10/12/2024 08:50

Agreed, it's a different and more direct culture. I quite like directness. I'm so fed up of people expecting other cultures to conform to what they want from them. I wouldn't be offended if someone asked me if I was Christian. I would just say, no, I'm not, I wouldn't get in a twist about it because a lot of white people are Christian so I get that another culture may make this assumption.

But I’m guessing white people (let’s say British in for this example) won’t get asked this in Denmark

So if religion is not a thing in a region…let it not be a thing.

Skyrainlight · 10/12/2024 09:14

Loisep · 09/12/2024 21:29

I don’t know very many Japanese people but I’ve been taught well enough to not assume every Japanese person I come into contact with is Buddhist. I would hope everyone was being taught similar in 2024.

Have you been taught enough not to offend Japanese people in general? Their customs are very specific. Or is the only way of offending them that matters the one that offends you? I guarantee you don't know enough not to offend them without realising it. But you don't care, it's just about using them as an example to justify your offense.

It's completely ridiculous to expect all other cultures to bow at our feet and change who they are or 'get taught RE in school' so they don't offend a person visiting their OWN country. The level of entitlement on this thread is high. I suggest you don't move there, if this is your attitude to direct people you will be offended on a daily basis where no offense was meant.

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