Please or to access all these features

AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

PORN HISTORY

135 replies

rubberduck68 · 09/12/2024 11:12

So I've been seeing a new man for a few weeks. All going fairly well, met OLD. Last night I saw his porn history. I checked his search history on his open laptop. I know it crosses a boundary (and would appreciate not exploring that today), BUT I just had a hunch that this man watches a lot of porn from the way he is in the bedroom (I've been through this before). Sure enough, there it was: "gang bangs" and "live cam" with women's names. A GF argued with me today that what men watch online is not who they are, but I am worried that this is not true.

OP posts:
Planesmistakenforstars · 09/12/2024 12:55

He assaulted you, he watches porn or a type of porn which is deal breaker for you, and he's lying to you about something that's a dealbreaker. There is nothing good about this man.

Going forward you probably need to have a conversation beforehand and make clear that hands on throat without asking is violating consent (same with hair pulling, slapping etc.) It's disgusting that you have to spell out consent to men, but here we are. Checking his search history was shit. But overall of course YNBU to dump him, or to expect men to seek consent.

Willyoujustbequiet · 09/12/2024 12:50

Teacherprebaby · 09/12/2024 11:44

Something is up with the men you are choosing if this happens often!!!

Bit naive.

lunar1 · 09/12/2024 12:47

Just end it, a few weeks in and you're both walking red flags for each other. What on earth part of your psychology training would indicate there is a healthy future here.

Thelnebriati · 09/12/2024 12:45

Why are women still claiming that poor boundaries and lack of communication are the problem?

The problem is that so many men get off on boundary violation and lying.

Sarkyandcynical · 09/12/2024 12:43

FlirtsWithRhinos · 09/12/2024 12:31

Too bloody right.

I am not at all impressed by the women (maybe) on this thread who appear to think the worst thing in this situation is not the man straight out lying to a woman about who he is so he can get through her entirely legitimate sexual boundaries and get her knickers off and then assaulting her, but that she had the audacity to violate his privacy and prove he lied.

Edited

Absolutely agree with this.

It’s obvious that the argument that watching certain types of porn is a fantasy and doesn’t shape who a person is in real life falls down when that person is non-consensually putting their hands around their partner’s neck.

It feels to me like there’s a bit of a male slant to the replies on this thread.

khaitai · 09/12/2024 12:41

The only way to combat this is to have a conversation outside the bedroom before embarking on a sexual relationship.
Make it clear you're not into rough sex, spell it out if necessary. If they do anything you have not consented to, kick them out.

I also agree with this. When I got together with my now partner I had a conversation where I told him I'm not ok with strip clubs, porn, rough sex etc. It was awkward given we'd never even kissed but I'd rather have one slightly embarrassing conversation than risk feeling violated.

FlirtsWithRhinos · 09/12/2024 12:41

Menace24 · 09/12/2024 12:34

If you have a red flag about someone's behaviour in the bedroom, invading their privacy makes no difference to how he made you feel in that moment. Finding porn or not finding porn, he still grabbed OPs throat in a way she wasn't happy with. The rest didn't need to happen, as her feelings are valid without snooping.

You are forgetting that she straight out asked him if he used porn and he lied. You seem to think "snooping" is worse than lying. I don't. I think a liar has no right to expect to be treated as if they are honest.

Doliveira · 09/12/2024 12:39

rubberduck68 · 09/12/2024 12:36

The issue is that it's the fourth bloke to behave like this, which includes the lying about his porn use (I did not check the history of the other three, one was outed by his brother who was staying with him (!), the other two admitted it during the conversations that ended the brief relationships, e.g. "Yeah, okay I watch a lot of porn, what of it" type defensive stuff, after having lied about it before. I seem to have written the wrong post, it perhaps should have said, "Are shit boundary violating shaggers watching too much porn?" My hunch is YES.

Yes! It’s an epidemic. I’m very very sorry it’s happening.

Thelnebriati · 09/12/2024 12:38

A GF argued with me today that what men watch online is not who they are

JFC does your GF live under a rock? Tell her to Google Gisele Pelicot!

khaitai · 09/12/2024 12:37

Totally on your side OP. If you're sleeping with someone you're well within your rights to know if they're also watching hardcore pornography. You asked him outright and he lied which means he's violated your boundaries. Personally I wouldn't consent to sleep with someone if I knew they were watching porn, especially if it was violent or degrading. I don't know who decided that women have to put up with this shit but I certainly won't.

rubberduck68 · 09/12/2024 12:36

Doliveira · 09/12/2024 12:24

Do you still like him? What is the issue here, exactly? You’ve discovered he’s a creep.

The issue is that it's the fourth bloke to behave like this, which includes the lying about his porn use (I did not check the history of the other three, one was outed by his brother who was staying with him (!), the other two admitted it during the conversations that ended the brief relationships, e.g. "Yeah, okay I watch a lot of porn, what of it" type defensive stuff, after having lied about it before. I seem to have written the wrong post, it perhaps should have said, "Are shit boundary violating shaggers watching too much porn?" My hunch is YES.

OP posts:
Menace24 · 09/12/2024 12:34

FlirtsWithRhinos · 09/12/2024 12:31

Too bloody right.

I am not at all impressed by the women (maybe) on this thread who appear to think the worst thing in this situation is not the man straight out lying to a woman about who he is so he can get through her entirely legitimate sexual boundaries and get her knickers off and then assaulting her, but that she had the audacity to violate his privacy and prove he lied.

Edited

If you have a red flag about someone's behaviour in the bedroom, invading their privacy makes no difference to how he made you feel in that moment. Finding porn or not finding porn, he still grabbed OPs throat in a way she wasn't happy with. The rest didn't need to happen, as her feelings are valid without snooping.

username299 · 09/12/2024 12:34

rubberduck68 · 09/12/2024 12:29

Yes I think this is a good way forward. I have always presumed that if a partner wants to try anything BDSM related that they should initiate a conversation about consent, safe words (or actions as how do you speak when you're being choked?) etc. but that is not happening any more in my recent experience. I have been watching/listening to a lot of Gale Dines and we are seemingly raising and having to date men who are losing touch with sexual boundaries, and I wonder how many people commenting on here in a judgemental way have actively dated in the last decade?!!

This kind of behaviour is unfortunately very common due to heavy porn use. Like I said, the only way to combat it is to be clear on your boundaries before sleeping with them.

If they violate your boundaries, then that's a very good reason to immediately end the relationship. Don't second guess yourself.

FlirtsWithRhinos · 09/12/2024 12:31

Naunet · 09/12/2024 12:10

I don't think you did anything wrong, he grabbed your throat ffs, you suspected he lied to you and all you did was check if he was, women are fully entitled to protect themselves from getting involved with violent, pornsick men, God knows no one else does. I'd walk away from this one.

Too bloody right.

I am not at all impressed by the women (maybe) on this thread who appear to think the worst thing in this situation is not the man straight out lying to a woman about who he is so he can get through her entirely legitimate sexual boundaries and get her knickers off and then assaulting her, but that she had the audacity to violate his privacy and prove he lied.

brightdawnfading · 09/12/2024 12:31

I would not date someone who watches misogynistic porn and especially not where they have allowed the porn companies shape their sexual behaviour with me.

If men are enjoying images of women being abused, of course this is reflecting and shaping their attitude to women. Its ridiculous to pretend it is not.

If a man enjoyed watching lots of footage of black men being degraded and tortured no-one would pretend he was not a racist.

So why do we pretend men can masturbate and ejaculate to women being degraded and sexually abused yet this does not reflect their attitude to women?

ginasevern · 09/12/2024 12:30

Teacherprebaby · 09/12/2024 11:44

Something is up with the men you are choosing if this happens often!!!

Yep, it's all her fault - and she snooped. Must be something seriously wrong with her. Poor bloke.

rubberduck68 · 09/12/2024 12:29

username299 · 09/12/2024 12:08

The only way to combat this is to have a conversation outside the bedroom before embarking on a sexual relationship.

Make it clear you're not into rough sex, spell it out if necessary. If they do anything you have not consented to, kick them out.

Yes I think this is a good way forward. I have always presumed that if a partner wants to try anything BDSM related that they should initiate a conversation about consent, safe words (or actions as how do you speak when you're being choked?) etc. but that is not happening any more in my recent experience. I have been watching/listening to a lot of Gale Dines and we are seemingly raising and having to date men who are losing touch with sexual boundaries, and I wonder how many people commenting on here in a judgemental way have actively dated in the last decade?!!

OP posts:
GoldsolesLugs · 09/12/2024 12:25

I'd actually separate the issues - the really really bad one is that he tried to do violent stuff in bed without a conversation/boundary setting beforehand. It's maybe academically interesting if he's doing this because porn has normalized it to him, but practically speaking you haven't gained anything by going through his history - you're still going out with a guy who is willing to cross your boundaries. Also, if our sexual culture is becoming more "pornified" then the individual man might not have to watch porn to pick up on it.

Have you asked any of these men why they thought it was OK to try to choke you or pull your hair? Maybe you have to be direct instead of talking about "porn and its influences" as they might not have made the connection themselves. Personally, this is all too academic for me - he'd be out the door after one choking attempt. I would tell him why I was dumping him though, in the hope that it might make him reflect on his behaviour.

Doliveira · 09/12/2024 12:24

Do you still like him? What is the issue here, exactly? You’ve discovered he’s a creep.

rubberduck68 · 09/12/2024 12:24

GasPanic · 09/12/2024 11:56

Sounds like you don't like porn very much.

Next time, put in your online dating profile, "don't like or expect partner to use porn" and "expect to be able to search personal device histories for evidence of this".

That should help screen out the men you don't want.

No, what I don't like is boundary violations in the bedroom from men who are porn addicts and lie about it, that is different to not liking porn very much.

OP posts:
rubberduck68 · 09/12/2024 12:19

ItGhoul · 09/12/2024 11:48

If you watched it and you feel it implied rape, you don't need to ask whether 'gang bang' implies rape. The video you watched and which your partner presumably watched implied rape, so the fact that it was labelled 'gang bang' is neither here nor there.

You're focusing on some really odd stuff here. The issue is that your partner grabbed you by the throat, not the fact that he searched for the words 'gang bang' on bloody PornHub.

The focus is the connection between the non-consensual sex acts in the bedroom and the boundary-violator's porn viewing, and I am not alone in seeing that connection.

OP posts:
FuckILookLike · 09/12/2024 12:19

I wouldn’t give a fuck about what porn he watches and no gangbangs aren’t ‘rapey,’ whatever the hell that means.

The issue is the way he’s treated you during sex. You don’t need to look at someone’s porn history to think that should be the final straw

GridlockonMain · 09/12/2024 12:16

SocksAndTheCity · 09/12/2024 11:36

No, raping people is 'rapey'.

It's a disgusting term which minimises rape and sexual assault, and does not apply to sex between consenting adults regardless of how many of them are participating in it, or whether it's part of a porn production.

I don’t think policing the language of a woman whose partner has already performed an aggressive act during sex without her consent is particularly helpful.

Women are so conditioned to accept transgression of their sexual boundaries that it’s not at all unusual for them to use terms like ‘rapey’ when searching for a way to discuss behaviour which doesn’t meet the legal definition of rape, but which is a clear breach of their boundaries. Women are used to being told they’re overreacting towards or somehow to blame for the behaviour of men towards them, and it hampers their use of clear and direct language.

OP is clearly trying to express a concern that the kind of porn her partner likes is the kind which generally exhibits women being used, treated roughly, shoved around, treated disrespectfully and physically pushed into various sex acts with multiple men. Regardless of the fact that the actors and actresses involved may have consented (but this is not guaranteed, given the links between sex trafficking and the porn industry), it says something about her partner’s attitude to sex and consent and that is what she is very reasonably concerned about. Instead of making hostile comments about a ‘disgusting term’, as though that is the real issue here, you could try offering empathy and advice to a woman coming to terms with a disturbing revelation about her partner and the way he behaves towards her.

AccountantMum · 09/12/2024 12:15

I would be mortified if someone went through my search history!!

However he cannot grab your throat if you don't want him to - and you now know he's lied to you so after a few weeks it doesn't seem to be going great all round

Naunet · 09/12/2024 12:10

I don't think you did anything wrong, he grabbed your throat ffs, you suspected he lied to you and all you did was check if he was, women are fully entitled to protect themselves from getting involved with violent, pornsick men, God knows no one else does. I'd walk away from this one.