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Buttonsmum67 · 09/12/2024 10:29

I will preface this by saying my mother is queen Narcissist.

Last year I did a DNA Ancestry test with my kids for a fun present. My youngest's came back with a random name as his maternal grandfather- then my eldest's came back with the same thing. Then mine with this random man as my father.

I with the help of friends managed to send my mother a message asking for an explanation. She said it must be wrong etc and told me to stop being ridiculous. At this point I did another one and it came back with the same match as before with this random man.

I messaged again and said I wanted answers now. She turned up at my house at 5am in floods of tears saying she had been attacked by a man and she had thought she had got rid of me with the morning after pill and then two months later found out she was pregnant again and had thought it was a miracle to come from something so horrible (she thought I was my dad's, as in my dad who bought me up). She asked me to promise that I would never say anything to anyone as it would ruin her marriage.

When we matched with this other gentlemen he messaged me immediately asking wtf was going on. I told him my mothers name trying to gauge any panic from him and he wrote back a long message saying basically omg we had a couple of months long affair when I was working with her- he mentioned my dads name and that they used to meet while my dad was working nights etc and she called it all off when my dad asked her to marry him. He has asked to meet but I have put that on the back burner for now as I don't know which story is true. And before anyone judges me about saying I don't think my mother would lie about being attacked, she has lied about having serious illness before to get out of arguments she created.

She then began what I can only describe as a hate campaign against me- making up stories to my siblings and dad about how she had had to borrow me money etc and I wasn't paying it back- none of which were true.

Since last year we now never speak. I have messaged and called my dad and even turned up at their house to speak to him and he has said his loyalties lie with my mother and I have greatly upset her with my behaviour. I HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING! Every time I call his phone she picks up and says you won't be saying anything will you.

When I say she was abusive growing up I am in therapy as still in my 30s I struggle to stand up to her.

This morning my aunts messaged me saying about my brothers weddings (He is her golden child and doesn't make any effort to contact me or my sister back). I haven't been invited. I am seething.

I feel like drinking a bottle of wine and writing to every member of my family what has happened to stop this bull, but I also don't want to ruin my dads life. He is so under the thumb with her I don't think he'd kick off anyway.

But here I am sitting a year later left on my own thinking I'm a product of rape and now being completely cut out of the family. My mother says she was attacked, my biological dad said they were having a fully consensual affair, I haven't told him what my mum said.

But I feel like I am keeping a massive secret for the benefit of everyone else and now I am the one being ostracised. I am so upset I am being cut out.

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wizzler · 10/12/2024 19:32

Not sure if someone has mentioned up thread, but BBC4 series The Gift has some really interesting and sometimes shocking examples of the implications of the DNA tests that are now so easily available

CatMummyOf3 · 10/12/2024 19:30

prh47bridge · 10/12/2024 18:27

I am correct and it hasn't changed for years. However, it is widely ignored. The fine for failing to re-register is just £2!

I stand corrected (after Googling)! I'm surprised the registrar was unaware; it was definately presented as an option, not a requirement. We're well past the 3 month deadline, but I do have the forms still.
Thank you :)

AliceMcK · 10/12/2024 19:28

pinkgirl2018 · 10/12/2024 09:20

I am only expressing my view. I assume you posted here because you wanted people’s views. I am just concerned that you are only seeing your side of things. Everyone plays a role in a relationship - it always takes 2 people to have a relationship. I am also concerned that you are a little too focussed on yourself and I wonder if there is a dynamic in your family which reflects that. I have no doubt that your mum has some mental health issues (I doubt the use of the narcissist tag). I do seem to turn everything back to you though and I wonder why that is. I think you’d benefit specifically from Transactional Analysis as a form of therapy. It helps a lot with relationships and family dynamics. The fact that your family is so quick to turn their back on you makes me think that you have had a recurring problem with relationships with them.

But do you remember - You aren’t the only one who has had a big shock with this. Can you imagine yourself into this situation yourself with your own children? Try to be understanding of what she’s going through too. You don’t need to keep her secret but avoiding her isn’t helping. You need to work through the issues you have together and discussing what you’re going to do.

O you so have to be OPs mother, no one can honestly be turning this on the op unless they are a classic narcissist parent who blames their child for everything rather than look at the fact they are an abuser who has never taken responsibility for their own actions! God I really hope you don’t have children!

And YES the OP is the only one in her family that has had a shock as she’s kept her lying deceitful mother’s secret for a year! Any shock the mother has felt is her own doing and NOONE owes her anything!

JudgeJ · 10/12/2024 19:26

WearyAuldWumman · 10/12/2024 09:19

Most people expect to match up with distant cousins and don't consider the possibility of different parentage.

True! I wonder how many others would find this kind of family anomaly, dating back to the days when couples 'had to' get married if she was pregnant? I recall in about 1970 a cousin's daughter, 17, having to get married because she was pregnant, the boy's mother asked him if was sure he was the father and all hell broke loose, how dare she suggest that! I then incurred wrath by saying it was quite a reasonable question!
I think I read somewhere where the predicted percentage was surprisingly high, in the 30s, not sure how they worked that out.

Slooodie359 · 10/12/2024 19:17

Maybe a big social media chat to everyone:

Dear family-
I would like to share some interesting news! My kids and I recently did an Ancestry.com genealogy test.
The results show that Mr X, is actually my biological dad! Can you believe it, I know I know! We were shocked too. We are planning to meet, to get to know him.
This won’t change anything for me, mom & dad are my beloved parents - it’s just for me, and my kids, our family has just got bigger! What a Christmas surprise.

Merry Christmas,
OP

Snkt · 10/12/2024 18:57

Wow what a thing to discover in your 30s. Your mum definitely sounds like she’s lying as she clearly doesn’t want your dad to find out she had an affair.
I would have let it go had she not started this childless drama.
If I were you I would speak to your dad. I would say you want to fix things and miss him but you really need to chat and go somewhere without her. I would then start at the beginning of the story - so not by accusing her of things as he’s clearly being defensive of her - so just say how you did an ancestry DNA test and you want him to see it and show him the results, say how you did it again and you got the same results. And just wait for what he says. Then I’d start with the message the man who’s allegedly your real dad sent you and work from there. So don’t make it about your mum and her lying and her affair straight away. Let him get to that conclusion.

Robinredd · 10/12/2024 18:34

Maddy70 · 09/12/2024 11:07

Yes unless you want to lose all your family. Your poor dad

Are you serious?

Poor dad? Poor OP!

OopsOhNoZHM · 10/12/2024 18:30

Your mother sounds like a c[]nt. I'd tell everyone, why should you bear the brunt of her actions? If your family are excluding you anyway, they might as well know what you know (with the screenshots) and make up their own minds. They will probably still side with your mother, but at least you can walk away knowing you did what you could to make them realise what an awful person she is, and if they're too blind to see it then that's on them. On the flipside, it could very well open some eyes. I have been SA, I would ordinarily not discredit anyone that claims that they have, but honestly it just sounds like she's made an excuse to save her own skin, because if I'd been in that situation, I'd have told my partner, as most people would.
It sucks for your dad, but also, he's allowed her to mistreat you all? So you know, he made his bed.
I have toxic, abusive parents, best thing i ever did was cutting them out of my life. They were like cancer, just absolutely draining. People that know them never believe me about how awful they were, because they are all about keeping up appearances, and God what an awful daughter I am and blah blah blah, always acting the victims. Nah, fuck that. Drop your bomb, then walk away and make your peace with it, you're worth so much more than the family you've suffered.

prh47bridge · 10/12/2024 18:27

CatMummyOf3 · 10/12/2024 17:41

I'm not sure you're correct about your "required by law" statement, unless the law has changed in recent years.

I married the father of my 2 (now adult) DC a couple of years ago. We had a very long engagement! The registrar advised that we could re-register if we wanted to, but it was our choice. He is on their birth certificates, but that wasn't questioned by the registrar.

I am correct and it hasn't changed for years. However, it is widely ignored. The fine for failing to re-register is just £2!

Concretejungle1 · 10/12/2024 18:00

pinkgirl2018 · 10/12/2024 09:20

I am only expressing my view. I assume you posted here because you wanted people’s views. I am just concerned that you are only seeing your side of things. Everyone plays a role in a relationship - it always takes 2 people to have a relationship. I am also concerned that you are a little too focussed on yourself and I wonder if there is a dynamic in your family which reflects that. I have no doubt that your mum has some mental health issues (I doubt the use of the narcissist tag). I do seem to turn everything back to you though and I wonder why that is. I think you’d benefit specifically from Transactional Analysis as a form of therapy. It helps a lot with relationships and family dynamics. The fact that your family is so quick to turn their back on you makes me think that you have had a recurring problem with relationships with them.

But do you remember - You aren’t the only one who has had a big shock with this. Can you imagine yourself into this situation yourself with your own children? Try to be understanding of what she’s going through too. You don’t need to keep her secret but avoiding her isn’t helping. You need to work through the issues you have together and discussing what you’re going to do.

Your posts if they weren’t so laughable they could be quite shocking to op.
i really hope you do not do any form of therapy as a job.
I’m unsure how you have managed to turn all this around and blamed the op is beyond me?

take no heed op. Your mothers is behaviour awful. If what happened is true (that’s truly awful) but no need to lie to all, take it out on you and cut you all off.
worse, if not true, again lie and not deny your right to know where you came from. Your dad will always be your dad, but you still had the right to know.

i would tell your family the truth. It’s not fair that all of you are now being cut off.

CatMummyOf3 · 10/12/2024 17:41

prh47bridge · 09/12/2024 11:54

No, it does not.

OP's mother was unmarried when OP was born. Unless OP's father accompanied her when the birth was registered or he completed a statutory declaration of parentage, he could not be on the birth certificate. When they married, they were required by law to re-register the birth (although many people don't know this and therefore don't do it). There is nothing here to suggest that OP's father knew he was not the biological father.

I'm not sure you're correct about your "required by law" statement, unless the law has changed in recent years.

I married the father of my 2 (now adult) DC a couple of years ago. We had a very long engagement! The registrar advised that we could re-register if we wanted to, but it was our choice. He is on their birth certificates, but that wasn't questioned by the registrar.

WhoIsBetty · 10/12/2024 17:08

CreationNat1on · 10/12/2024 16:59

It's not avenging scorched earth.

This "secret", has been forced on the OP, she had no choice. She has been denied the truth and reality all of her life.

She also has been defamed, silenced and cancelled from the family. These forced secrets are toxic. Her siblings also have a right to know the truth.

None of this has been the OPs choice, none of it has been to benefit her.

Wanting to live an authentic life, is not the equivalent of a scorched earth mentality.

Why can't the mother hold a family meeting: reveal her secret, tell her children she loves them equally and wants to work through all of this. Why can't the mother be responsible for healing the rift and apologise for her actions.

All this victim blaming is galling. The person who caused the lies and fall out, should take steps to fix the family bond.

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Absolutely!!

wombat15 · 10/12/2024 17:07

CautiousLurker01 · 10/12/2024 15:02

Well, when MN requires that all posts must be proof read and edited for grammar and accuracy, you can apply for the post. Do you correct people IRL when they make a mistake in their language too? You must be fun at parties.

It's not a typo or a slight difference in words fgs.

CreationNat1on · 10/12/2024 16:59

It's not avenging scorched earth.

This "secret", has been forced on the OP, she had no choice. She has been denied the truth and reality all of her life.

She also has been defamed, silenced and cancelled from the family. These forced secrets are toxic. Her siblings also have a right to know the truth.

None of this has been the OPs choice, none of it has been to benefit her.

Wanting to live an authentic life, is not the equivalent of a scorched earth mentality.

Why can't the mother hold a family meeting: reveal her secret, tell her children she loves them equally and wants to work through all of this. Why can't the mother be responsible for healing the rift and apologise for her actions.

All this victim blaming is galling. The person who caused the lies and fall out, should take steps to fix the family bond.

MyrtlethePurpleTurtle · 10/12/2024 16:49

DBD1975 · 09/12/2024 17:08

Firstly I would imagine your Dad knew about the affair and the fact you were not his child but wanted to keep you and bring you up as his own. Your Mother had decided to re-write history for her own benefit (not attacked, had an affair).
From your perspective and the perspective of your family nothing has changed, your Dad is still your Dad ( not biologically but in every other sense of the word). Your Mum has given you her story and asked you to keep it a secret. For the sake of your family I would do so. What do you have to gain by texting (really texting?) other family members to let them know.
The only person suffering here is you, as you are estranged from your family.
Heal the rift and stop your search for the truth because you already have it, your parents want to keep this secret which they have kept for over 35 years, give them that.
Contact your biological Father if this is your wish (your parents don't need to know) and hopefully enjoy getting to know him.
I wish you well and I wish you peace OP.

This!

Dont quite get the avenging angel scorched earth approach

Dollybantree · 10/12/2024 16:49

Your mother sounds awful and the rest of the family are scared of her/manipulated by her.

I can't believe some of the responses you're getting on here, as though you have no right to want answers as to who your real father is. She should be apologising and answering any questions you have, the rape story is quite clearly a fabrication.

Id sack the lot of them off and be done with the stress of being in a family like that. It's sad and unfair that it means you're not invite to your siblings wedding etc but they have all obviously drunk the cool aid. You can be free from all the BS and live your own life or live in denial and kowtow to your mum to keep the peace. I know which I'd rather do.

If you want to spill the beans a simple "I've found out df isn't my real father and dm has kicked off about it" should suffice for now - why should you have to deny your reality to keep your cow of a mum protected? If she'd been a good mum and was a nice person you'd naturally want to protect her but she sounds anything but.

Jaichangecentfoisdenom · 10/12/2024 16:47

HollyKnight · 10/12/2024 15:11

Or gift everyone in your family Ancestry DNA kits. Let them find out for themselves that they aren't related to you in the way they think they are.

I think that's funny and also genius. The OP has nothing more to lose in any case.

mummahbythesea · 10/12/2024 16:47

If I was you, I’d be writing a letter to my Dad and siblings with screen shots of the messages from your biological father, the ancestry DNA results detailing exactly what her version of events was.
Then a week later, I’d send all the same information to extended family.
She does not get to lie and cheat 37 years ago, then lie and gaslight you when you find out.
Actions have consequences.
Drop the bomb and then move on.

SorcererGaheris · 10/12/2024 16:44

I'm surprised to find people querying the use of Ancestry sites for fun.

Just because exploring ancestry isn't fun for some people, doesn't mean it's not fun for anyone else. Every person is unique and has a different perception of what qualifies as fun.

I don't find crafting/crocheting to be fun at all, but totally understand how other people do.

Zonder · 10/12/2024 16:38

Buttonsmum67 · 10/12/2024 08:34

It was for fun- it shows your heritage and personality traits and how much dna you share with other family members who have done it.

I haven't created a hornets nest, I've been lied to for 37 years and missed out on an entire relationship with another side of the family, let alone not been aware of any genetic diseases whilst giving doctors my medical history whilst I was pregnant etc.

I know loads of people who have done this. My DH included. It's not that unusual.

MzHz · 10/12/2024 16:37

Oh FFS, please PP, if you dont have any experience in dealing with people like @Buttonsmum67 mother, step away

if your looking to find fault with @Buttonsmum67 - again, back off, scroll on by.

you can't possibly be of any value at all if you don't know about this stuff. and good for you.

@Buttonsmum67 Use the crazy, you don't have to live with her, you clearly owe her nothing anymore and your dad isn't going to protect you. Your DM is running round telling people all manner of lies about you

MY suggestion is to fight fire with fire. TELL your mother that unless she undoes the lies she as told, you will show proof of what REALLY happened to literally everyone you know, you will put it on Facebook, you will stick it on Insta and you will whatsapp the fuck out of it.

Telll her that she doesn't get to try to destroy your reputation to save her own. She undoes this damage or you will end this war the nuclear way.

Fuck it, what have you got to lose? tell her that too!

LizzieBennetsSister · 10/12/2024 16:28

Tbry24 · 09/12/2024 10:52

Don’t be pushed out and miss out on the rest of your family, this will get much worse.

you need to tell dad and your siblings what’s actually happened.

Send a text to them all explaining about the DNA match and then mum not wanting to see you since. say you are missing them all and really need some support after finding out you have a stranger as your biological father.

Something along those lines. don’t not tell your dad.

if there’s any questions or disbelief or even do it at the same time send them a screenshot of the DNA match.

And take time processing this, your mum has treated you terribly.

You surely cannot send a text saying this to the man who thinks he is your DH. That would be unforgiveable.
If you must tell him, at the very least you need to tell him in person.

For his sake I would not tell him but just pick up the relationship with the actual father. Why ruin his life just to get at the DM? Your family sound disfunctional and mother a nightmare. Why not just go NC especially with her, and get on with finding out the truth about the new DH?

WhoIsBetty · 10/12/2024 16:26

SoMuchBadAdvice · 10/12/2024 16:11

It's weird reading so many people writing about NPS as if it is a real thing. It's a concept constructed to stereotype commonly observed behaviours - that doesn't make it an actual condition.

It’s not a diagnosable condition but when you are in the whirlpool created by people displaying these patterns of behaviour it is enormously helpful so that you can step out of it. I don’t agree with categorising humans generally but I think this can actually be a situation where the short hand is helpful for the people who are having to live alongside it. It helps us to not be manipulated, to see when we are being unfairly turned into the perpetrator when we call them out and hells to not buy into the gaslighting.

A year ago, I’d have fully agreed with you. Now I’m so grateful to have seen the patterns and have some clarity rather than constantly questing myself, placating, appeasing and being at the mercy of rage.

Normal boundary setting and relational ways of interacting just don’t help in these situations.

WhoIsBetty · 10/12/2024 16:21

diddl · 10/12/2024 15:06

Likewise I also think it's odd that Op's mum went straight to assault/rape rather than saying she genuinely thought that Op was her dad's.

It's hard to think that someone would lie about something so serious.

Of course it obscures(?) the fact that she was obviously seeing someone else!

The mother is a narcissist who has lied about having a serious illness and is lying about the OP. I would usually always err on the side of believing the woman in a case of sexual assault but here, based on the information shared, I’d bet good money on the mother lying to protect herself from the fall out. I know the type!

SoMuchBadAdvice · 10/12/2024 16:11

It's weird reading so many people writing about NPS as if it is a real thing. It's a concept constructed to stereotype commonly observed behaviours - that doesn't make it an actual condition.

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