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Buttonsmum67 · 09/12/2024 10:29

I will preface this by saying my mother is queen Narcissist.

Last year I did a DNA Ancestry test with my kids for a fun present. My youngest's came back with a random name as his maternal grandfather- then my eldest's came back with the same thing. Then mine with this random man as my father.

I with the help of friends managed to send my mother a message asking for an explanation. She said it must be wrong etc and told me to stop being ridiculous. At this point I did another one and it came back with the same match as before with this random man.

I messaged again and said I wanted answers now. She turned up at my house at 5am in floods of tears saying she had been attacked by a man and she had thought she had got rid of me with the morning after pill and then two months later found out she was pregnant again and had thought it was a miracle to come from something so horrible (she thought I was my dad's, as in my dad who bought me up). She asked me to promise that I would never say anything to anyone as it would ruin her marriage.

When we matched with this other gentlemen he messaged me immediately asking wtf was going on. I told him my mothers name trying to gauge any panic from him and he wrote back a long message saying basically omg we had a couple of months long affair when I was working with her- he mentioned my dads name and that they used to meet while my dad was working nights etc and she called it all off when my dad asked her to marry him. He has asked to meet but I have put that on the back burner for now as I don't know which story is true. And before anyone judges me about saying I don't think my mother would lie about being attacked, she has lied about having serious illness before to get out of arguments she created.

She then began what I can only describe as a hate campaign against me- making up stories to my siblings and dad about how she had had to borrow me money etc and I wasn't paying it back- none of which were true.

Since last year we now never speak. I have messaged and called my dad and even turned up at their house to speak to him and he has said his loyalties lie with my mother and I have greatly upset her with my behaviour. I HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING! Every time I call his phone she picks up and says you won't be saying anything will you.

When I say she was abusive growing up I am in therapy as still in my 30s I struggle to stand up to her.

This morning my aunts messaged me saying about my brothers weddings (He is her golden child and doesn't make any effort to contact me or my sister back). I haven't been invited. I am seething.

I feel like drinking a bottle of wine and writing to every member of my family what has happened to stop this bull, but I also don't want to ruin my dads life. He is so under the thumb with her I don't think he'd kick off anyway.

But here I am sitting a year later left on my own thinking I'm a product of rape and now being completely cut out of the family. My mother says she was attacked, my biological dad said they were having a fully consensual affair, I haven't told him what my mum said.

But I feel like I am keeping a massive secret for the benefit of everyone else and now I am the one being ostracised. I am so upset I am being cut out.

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Catbabymammy · 09/12/2024 13:10

If you already have a poor relationship with your family, announcing this news on WhatsApp to get revenge might result in you being completely ostracised.

He may have assaulted her. Men who assault women don’t perceive their behaviour as an assault. It wasn’t uncommon then and it certainly isn’t uncommon now. The fact she worked within the police might have meant it was harder to report, not easier. Attitudes to victims of sexual assault were not great and your mum would have known that. There might also have been repercussions for having relationships with colleagues.

I would see if your mum would come to counselling with you. Your brothers wedding seems to have triggered something.

user1473878824 · 09/12/2024 13:09

Viviennemary · 09/12/2024 12:37

I agree. You should have left well alone I instead of throwing this grenade into the middle of the family after all these years. Did you not realise the trouble it would cause awakening all these ghosts from the past. Too late now.

What a nasty, nasty response. How is ANY of this OP's fault? Her mother is the one who has caused ALL the trouble and lied to OP for her entire life. How dare you put this on her.

frecklejuice · 09/12/2024 13:09

Don't let your Mother make you out to be the bad person in all of this, tell them everything.

Your relationship with your Mum is fucked anyway so clear your name.

DrZaraCarmichael · 09/12/2024 13:09

RemusLupinsBiggestGroupie · 09/12/2024 12:00

I didn’t think DNA ancestry tests gave names???

They don't - they just state the cM match and the probable relationship. But when it's a very close relationship like father/grandfather there is less ambiguity.

Oriunda · 09/12/2024 13:09

Buttonsmum67 · 09/12/2024 12:04

This is another major thing, but I also know statistics of women reporting it so I didn't want to sound horrible. My mother is a high flying career woman within the police. My godfather is very high up in the police. If she had reported it it wouldn't have been a thing- he would have been arrested and dealt with very promptly.

In that case, please don’t challenge your mother to retrospectively report a rape if you feel it didn’t happen. It would blow up your bio father’s life, and I wouldn’t trust your mother not to make a false accusation in the hope of letting her off the hook with your father. Police can and do make false accusations (and my father was in the police). Obviously if you believed her, then that’s a different matter.

In your shoes, I’d let the relationship with your mother go. She sounds awful, to be frank. Quietly investigate the possibility of a new relationship with your bio father, if that’s what he and you would like. Talk to your siblings in the meantime; let them know the truth. Talk to your godfather; he might be able to shed light on this, or share his recollections from that time of your bio father. Finally, he might be able to talk to your father, if you want him, to know. Tbh, he’s not got your back, so I’d be writing him off too.

DrZaraCarmichael · 09/12/2024 13:07

As per usual, so many people wading in to spout about Ancestry DNA tests who have never taken one and don't know how they work. Or how registering births works.

OP has every right to do a DNA test on herself, or on her children. There is always the risk that by doing a test you come up with results which are unexpected. OP has discovered that her father is not who she thought it was and is getting two conflicting stories. That is not the fault of the DNA test! That is the fault of the people involved wanting to keep secrets.

If OP's mother was unmarried at the time of her birth - which she says she was - then her future husband would have gone with her to register the birth and be named as the father. There are all manner of reasons why he wouldn't have gone, he might have been out of the country, or couldn't get out of work. It certainly does not definitely imply he definitely knew the baby was not his. He might have known, he might not have known. It is also very common to "legitimise" a birth if parents later marry.

I would advise taking some time and letting the dust settle OP, there are many different points of view here and if your mother doesn't want to talk she's not going to. Take your time getting to know your new bilogical family and remember this is just as much a shock to your biological father, his family, and your mother and father as it is to you, it's a lot to process.

Commonsense22 · 09/12/2024 13:07

FoxtonFoxton · 09/12/2024 10:37

I'm not a vengeful person at all, but I wouldn't stand by and be blamed and lied about. I'd tell all, factually and calmly, with evidence, and then let them decide what to do. Personally, I wouldn't want to try and repair my relationship with my mother and would move on with my life.

This. I would just factually inform the rest of the family and also believe the biological father's account. I'm sorry your mum is so horrid with you.

ShaggyPutItOnWhatAPongItGaveHimTheShakesNShivers · 09/12/2024 13:06

Billydavey · 09/12/2024 13:00

I think this is getting very close to saying that women who don’t report rapes are therefore lying, which is a dangerous line of thought…

Absolutely not what I was suggesting in any way - and I thought I'd worded it very carefully to avoid that potential construement.

EvilMama · 09/12/2024 13:05

Could you speak to your godfather? As your bio-dad could give you his name, did they know each other?

Then I think you need to get your dad on his own and speak to him.

ShaggyPutItOnWhatAPongItGaveHimTheShakesNShivers · 09/12/2024 13:02

headhonchoponcho · 09/12/2024 12:55

I'm guessing he would turn on and blame OP every time, rather than ever acknowledge the truth about their mother.

He has believed his DM lies and smears to date. However he cannot twist the DNA evidence or that the fact that his DM has acknowledged a sexual encounter (whether it was rape, ONS or consensua affair), taking the morning after pill and admitted knowing her first child was not her husbands.

True. I suppose neither of us can know whether he will see the evidence and come to terms with it, or just blame 'a clear mistake' and remain in denial and in mummy's pocket.

user1473878824 · 09/12/2024 13:01

XelaM · 09/12/2024 11:53

What's the point of doing these ancestry things? They appear to cause so much trouble in families

Oh yes, the real problem here.

Billydavey · 09/12/2024 13:00

ShaggyPutItOnWhatAPongItGaveHimTheShakesNShivers · 09/12/2024 12:01

If your Mum were telling the truth about your bio Dad raping her, there is no way whatsoever that he would be so interested and wanting to Get to know you.

Aside from being the kind of man who would rape in the first place, he would be the one denying it all and shouting at you that you're a liar/the test results are wrong/anything not to accept the truth.

He would be very mindful that his past crime could now catch up with him and he could very easily face serious consequences for it now. By contrast, the way that he is reacting is very much what you would expect had you been the result of a consensual affair.

Ask your Mum whether she reported the rape at the time. And if she never felt able to then, urge her to do so now, so that the man can be finally brought to justice for such a horrendous crime. Why wouldn't she want this if she was the victim of a horrific attack? Offer to support her in gaining justice.

Her reaction, either way, would remove any potential doubt in an instant. Not that there is any, imho.

I think this is getting very close to saying that women who don’t report rapes are therefore lying, which is a dangerous line of thought…

Anotherworrier · 09/12/2024 12:59

ShaggyPutItOnWhatAPongItGaveHimTheShakesNShivers · 09/12/2024 12:57

But it sounds very much like they will all turn on her and make her their whipping girl, even in the event that they accept that she's telling the truth.

But she’s lost them all anyway? She either continues to be viewed as the villain or she tells people the truth and one day they see things as they really are. It might not be tomorrow, but one day they may see her Mother for who she really is and get the courage to leave her alone in her misery.

headhonchoponcho · 09/12/2024 12:59

ShaggyPutItOnWhatAPongItGaveHimTheShakesNShivers · 09/12/2024 12:55

That's a good point, although I think she would have a lot more to fear than he would.

That said, given OP's later update about her being high up in the police, I agree with PP that she could potentially 'control' the course and results investigation in order to protect herself.

That said, given OP's later update about her being high up in the police, I agree with PP that she could potentially 'control' the course and results investigation in order to protect herself.

I think the OP said that her DM had a relative high up in the police at the time of the alleged rape who could have prioritised her case? This was in 1985/86 so not there now.

SuperfluousHen · 09/12/2024 12:59

ShaggyPutItOnWhatAPongItGaveHimTheShakesNShivers · 09/12/2024 12:57

But it sounds very much like they will all turn on her and make her their whipping girl, even in the event that they accept that she's telling the truth.

OP is already there.
What has she got to lose?

ShaggyPutItOnWhatAPongItGaveHimTheShakesNShivers · 09/12/2024 12:57

Anotherworrier · 09/12/2024 12:50

I’m sorry but I just don’t believe her. I would tell the rest of the family you found out her secret and she turned on you.

But it sounds very much like they will all turn on her and make her their whipping girl, even in the event that they accept that she's telling the truth.

ShaggyPutItOnWhatAPongItGaveHimTheShakesNShivers · 09/12/2024 12:55

SuperfluousHen · 09/12/2024 12:47

What if OP’s father is innocent but her mother does report it now?

She sounds like the type who wouldn’t bat an eyelid if it kept up her cover story.

That's a good point, although I think she would have a lot more to fear than he would.

That said, given OP's later update about her being high up in the police, I agree with PP that she could potentially 'control' the course and results investigation in order to protect herself.

headhonchoponcho · 09/12/2024 12:55

ShaggyPutItOnWhatAPongItGaveHimTheShakesNShivers · 09/12/2024 12:48

It would be a good idea, except that the golden child brother has already nailed his colours to the mast in staunch support of their mother, regardless.

Remember: he didn't just not invite OP to his wedding; he never even told her that it was happening.

I'm guessing he would turn on and blame OP every time, rather than ever acknowledge the truth about their mother.

I'm guessing he would turn on and blame OP every time, rather than ever acknowledge the truth about their mother.

He has believed his DM lies and smears to date. However he cannot twist the DNA evidence or that the fact that his DM has acknowledged a sexual encounter (whether it was rape, ONS or consensua affair), taking the morning after pill and admitted knowing her first child was not her husbands.

ShaggyPutItOnWhatAPongItGaveHimTheShakesNShivers · 09/12/2024 12:52

Viviennemary · 09/12/2024 12:37

I agree. You should have left well alone I instead of throwing this grenade into the middle of the family after all these years. Did you not realise the trouble it would cause awakening all these ghosts from the past. Too late now.

So you genuinely believe that OP was to blame for wanting to research her own origins - and she should now shut up, because she is somehow to blame for what her biological parents did before she was born, and now needs to carry that supposed guilt alone?

whatnow5 · 09/12/2024 12:50

You should approach your mum and tell her you know she’s lying and that if she doesn’t stop her awful behaviour you will out her secret to the whole family.

Anotherworrier · 09/12/2024 12:50

I’m sorry but I just don’t believe her. I would tell the rest of the family you found out her secret and she turned on you.

BlokeHereInPeace · 09/12/2024 12:49

FoxtonFoxton · 09/12/2024 10:37

I'm not a vengeful person at all, but I wouldn't stand by and be blamed and lied about. I'd tell all, factually and calmly, with evidence, and then let them decide what to do. Personally, I wouldn't want to try and repair my relationship with my mother and would move on with my life.

Your kids will need to know, in order for medical decisions to take account of any family history that may be prevalent in your bio dad's timeline. Maybe not now, but sometime.

Oramorph · 09/12/2024 12:48

What a lot of pain your DM has caused.

Have you got someone to talk to IRL?

WearyAuldWumman · 09/12/2024 12:48

Allfur · 09/12/2024 12:40

People have every right to know their heritage, especially for medical reasons.

This.

I have relatives through marriage who were adopted as infants. They never wanted information about their bio parents. Then one became unwell, and their consultant told them to get as much info about their bio family as they good.

ShaggyPutItOnWhatAPongItGaveHimTheShakesNShivers · 09/12/2024 12:48

29novname · 09/12/2024 12:29

As @CreationNat1on said above. I'd start with the siblings. Tell them if they think you're lying you will happily re-do a DNA test to check if you are siblings.tell them neither you nor your kids deserve the fall-out.

I would not assume that if DNA man is a nice guy that it wasn't rape. I'd treat that as irrelevant to you right now. What IS relevant more generally was that she was in a relationship with him. If she was cheating on your dad then she's probably more worried he won't forgive her for that.

Decide as a group if your father should know.

I keep thinking about your children. Do they now know that their grandfather isn't their biological grandfather? And your DF ... the shock for him will be learning you are not his biological child, but also that two of his grandchildren are not biologically his.

It would be a good idea, except that the golden child brother has already nailed his colours to the mast in staunch support of their mother, regardless.

Remember: he didn't just not invite OP to his wedding; he never even told her that it was happening.

I'm guessing he would turn on and blame OP every time, rather than ever acknowledge the truth about their mother.

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