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Buttonsmum67 · 09/12/2024 10:29

I will preface this by saying my mother is queen Narcissist.

Last year I did a DNA Ancestry test with my kids for a fun present. My youngest's came back with a random name as his maternal grandfather- then my eldest's came back with the same thing. Then mine with this random man as my father.

I with the help of friends managed to send my mother a message asking for an explanation. She said it must be wrong etc and told me to stop being ridiculous. At this point I did another one and it came back with the same match as before with this random man.

I messaged again and said I wanted answers now. She turned up at my house at 5am in floods of tears saying she had been attacked by a man and she had thought she had got rid of me with the morning after pill and then two months later found out she was pregnant again and had thought it was a miracle to come from something so horrible (she thought I was my dad's, as in my dad who bought me up). She asked me to promise that I would never say anything to anyone as it would ruin her marriage.

When we matched with this other gentlemen he messaged me immediately asking wtf was going on. I told him my mothers name trying to gauge any panic from him and he wrote back a long message saying basically omg we had a couple of months long affair when I was working with her- he mentioned my dads name and that they used to meet while my dad was working nights etc and she called it all off when my dad asked her to marry him. He has asked to meet but I have put that on the back burner for now as I don't know which story is true. And before anyone judges me about saying I don't think my mother would lie about being attacked, she has lied about having serious illness before to get out of arguments she created.

She then began what I can only describe as a hate campaign against me- making up stories to my siblings and dad about how she had had to borrow me money etc and I wasn't paying it back- none of which were true.

Since last year we now never speak. I have messaged and called my dad and even turned up at their house to speak to him and he has said his loyalties lie with my mother and I have greatly upset her with my behaviour. I HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING! Every time I call his phone she picks up and says you won't be saying anything will you.

When I say she was abusive growing up I am in therapy as still in my 30s I struggle to stand up to her.

This morning my aunts messaged me saying about my brothers weddings (He is her golden child and doesn't make any effort to contact me or my sister back). I haven't been invited. I am seething.

I feel like drinking a bottle of wine and writing to every member of my family what has happened to stop this bull, but I also don't want to ruin my dads life. He is so under the thumb with her I don't think he'd kick off anyway.

But here I am sitting a year later left on my own thinking I'm a product of rape and now being completely cut out of the family. My mother says she was attacked, my biological dad said they were having a fully consensual affair, I haven't told him what my mum said.

But I feel like I am keeping a massive secret for the benefit of everyone else and now I am the one being ostracised. I am so upset I am being cut out.

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Fernticket · 09/12/2024 14:41

WhoIsBetty · 09/12/2024 13:28

Fellow survivor of a narcissistic mother here. You are right that rational and relational approaches won’t help.

I am so sorry that you are being scapegoated here. It isn’t fair.

I think in your shoes I would meet my biological dad out of curiosity. From the info you have given I believe him but pick a public space just in case.

I guess you have two choices but either way the outcome isn’t good for you.

You are open and honest and tell your family what you have discovered. She will rage. She will call upon her flying monkeys to rage at you too. You will be scapegoated and remain ostracised. There is a small tiny chance some family members will see it and hear you and stick with you but it’s a small chance. Is there any family member you trust to be sensible and listen as a starting point?

You bury it back under the carpet and maintain some contact in some way but remain on the outside because her self protection will ALWAYS trump your emotional needs. The massive lump under the carpet will trip you up and make you feel uncomfortable. You’ll never be able to be your authentic self.

Neither are great. At no point is she going to hold her hands up and apologise. If she is narcissistic she just won’t.

Im really sorry but I don’t think your family of origin is good for you. I think you should go very low to no contact. You might feel like sharing the information first but you will get a back lash - you need to ask yourself if it’s worth it for the truth to out - may be quietly talk to the more wholesome and healthy family members first if there are any.

Ignore the posters saying it’s her secret to keep. No. It’s yours. It’s your lineage. It’s your decision. Any comeback in her is her own doing and it was her decision alone to lie. You didn’t create the situation and it’s not your responsibility to protect her. She didn’t protect you.

You deserved better. You deserve better. You matter too and you should put your needs in all of this first.

This. If I were you I would seriously consider going NC with your Mother and family. I know how awful it is to be lied about and ostracized from your family ( happened to me, but under different circumstances to you). However, you have to think about yourself and your DC and what's best for you all. You will probably get nowhere with your family.

CreationNat1on · 09/12/2024 14:39

Your mother is defaming you by concocting the debt story. If she is lying about the raoe she is defaming your biological father also. Perhaps she needs to realise that defamation is illegal.

Suggest you need counselling and she also needs counselling. Separately, as the Mother is abusive.

Scirocco · 09/12/2024 14:35

I wouldn't let your mother evict you from the family without putting up a fight. Most of us are parents, and most of us probably wouldn't get one of our children ostracised from all their family simply to cover up our own mistakes or regrets. What kind of person does that? The answer is that a narcissist does that.

I'd suggest taking an evidence-based approach and considering which of your relatives are most likely to be receptive to this. Then, either in person or in a written format, present the facts. You did the ancestry test for your children as entertainment, and it has come back (twice) with this man as your biological father (you have written evidence of this). Your mother has given her account of what happened, and you have a different account from the man. Shortly after this, your mother has been putting pressure on you not to tell, and she has now been saying things about you that aren't true (you can show your evidence that these things aren't true), which has led to you being isolated from the family. While you appreciate that this is a sensitive thing for you, her and your dad, you are now being falsely accused of things and have a right to defend yourself. You don't want to create more drama, but you don't deserve to have people believing lies about you and rejecting you at a time when you would really benefit from some family support.

Nc546888 · 09/12/2024 14:34

I think it was an affair not rape.

you shouldn’t lose your extended family because of her lies. Please stand up for yourself.

also go meet your bio dad :)

Ilovemyshed · 09/12/2024 14:32

Might it be feasible to talk to your Dad alone (i.e the one that brought you up). There are no winners here but it is your Dad and you that are the victims if she is lying.

I know my Dad would still be my Dad even if he turned out not to be biologically related.

Tough situation, really tough.

Toomanyemails · 09/12/2024 14:31

Are you getting any sort of professional support? This is a huge thing to be dealing with, made harder by the fact you're getting 2 stories and the truth could be either of them or somewhere down the middle (as you say, sexual violence can happen in consensual relationships).
I would probably be honest with your other family members (not making a huge drama, just explaining that it's been upsetting to find out you have a different biological dad and your mum's response hasn't been great, but he clearly that you're keen to maintain a good relationship with everyone if that's true), and also meet with your biological father and tell him what your mum said. But you need to make your own decision on what's best for you to do which will depend on your own feelings and your relationship with everyone involved.

WhoIsBetty · 09/12/2024 14:31

gotmychristmasmiracle · 09/12/2024 13:56

@WhoIsBetty do you not this is a distraction to try and avoid having to tell everyone the truth? Maybe she was raped and doesn't want to live through it all again by explaining to everyone what happened. So doing everything she can to avoid going there.

No. I don’t believe that but we can’t know for sure. But what we do know is that this mother has form for lying, firm for creating division, putting her own needs above those of the children she chose to have. If she was raped I don’t believe the bio father would be so ready to come forward. I think she could have calmly talked to her daughter, sensitively explained and asked for what she needed.

I would usually err on the side of believing a woman in a rape accusation but in this case the circumstances, for me, add up to her being narcissistic and all about self preservation and manipulation.

But none of us can know for sure and this is the OPs information to do as she pleases. As a mother myself, if this was me in her mums shoes, I would put my big girl pants on and put my daughter front and centre at a time when she has had this bombshell. I would be in tears if guilt for having kept it from her, not tears of woe is me my secret might come out. I certainly wouldn’t make up lies about her regardless of a traumatic sexual assault. My responsibility as a mother trumps all.

ZoeCM · 09/12/2024 14:29

I agree. You should have left well alone I instead of throwing this grenade into the middle of the family after all these years. Did you not realise the trouble it would cause awakening all these ghosts from the past. Too late now.

I swear, MN is the only place - IRL or online - where I hear people being judged for taking a DNA test to learn more about their heritage. I don't know anywhere else where people are expected to think, "Wait, an Ancestry test might expose my mum as a slapper, better not get one..."

WhatUSeeIsWhatUGet · 09/12/2024 14:24

Maddy70 · 09/12/2024 10:58

I would suck it up. Ancestry things are so destructive. Your mum had a secret. That was hers to keep tbh things were different then.

You are blowing up the whole family by announcing this. For what? Why upset your dad?

If you tell everyone so you think they will all come running to you? What outcome will you have?

Are you serious?

WearyAuldWumman · 09/12/2024 14:21

WearyAuldWumman · 09/12/2024 12:48

This.

I have relatives through marriage who were adopted as infants. They never wanted information about their bio parents. Then one became unwell, and their consultant told them to get as much info about their bio family as they good.

*could

CandiedPrincess · 09/12/2024 14:17

Duckswaddle · 09/12/2024 10:43

I’d be interested in meeting the man you matched with - sounds like his story is more plausible given what your mother is like.
She will panic if she finds out and it will bring things to the surface.

This.

Come on OP. Look at your general relationship and history with her. Dig deep and I think it's obvious who is telling the truth.

Margorett · 09/12/2024 14:16

My first instinct reading this is that your mother is a liar, get to know your biological Dad, and tell him her version, see what he has to say, sounds like you have nothing to lose.

Sugargliderwombat · 09/12/2024 14:16

Buttonsmum67 · 09/12/2024 10:55

It would wouldn't it, but if so why is so desperate for me not to tell him.

It wouldn't it was completely normal for unmarried people to give the baby the mums last second name.

Sorry this is happening to you OP but yor dad sounds shit too.

CreationNat1on · 09/12/2024 14:13

Supersimkin7 · 09/12/2024 14:01

DM wasn’t raped, was she - rapists don’t normally answer emails about fathering a child. We know she’s a liar from the other stuff.

OP, I’m so sorry.

Rapists don't normally put themselves forward for DNA testing. The mother wasn't raped, she has a history of extreme manipulation and lies.

Sorry you are going through this x

Non Biological Father is an enabler also, and while mother is controlling telephone calls, she will also be building a story against you. She is prepared to ostracise you to protect her narrative. Brother is brainwashed by her.

I wonder what the other sister is like? Surely the other siblings can see a pattern in the mother's behaviour.

LambriniBobInIsleworthISeesYa · 09/12/2024 14:13

I think you've got to tell your Dad. You've got nothing to lose at this point really.

Greentreesandbushes · 09/12/2024 14:11

Also get a proper DNA test with your Bio Dad

Greentreesandbushes · 09/12/2024 14:10

OP I believe your Bio father’s version of events and would want to at least meet him.

I would invite your Dad to meet you, ask him to put a stop to the nonsense, lies from your Mum, if he doesn’t then just give him the facts. He hasn’t got your back.

LemonadePockets · 09/12/2024 14:04

I think she’s lying. If that man had sexually assaulted someone, he’s unlikely to have his DNA on ancestry.com nor would he contact a potential child. I could be wrong but usually attackers do their best to keep under the radar. She’s been caught out - she’s using the worst imaginable explanation to keep your silence.

tell the lot of them, and get as much proof from your biological father as you can. By the sounds of it, you’ve got nothing to lose.

best of luck OP x

Supersimkin7 · 09/12/2024 14:01

DM wasn’t raped, was she - rapists don’t normally answer emails about fathering a child. We know she’s a liar from the other stuff.

OP, I’m so sorry.

diddl · 09/12/2024 14:01

What a horrible situation.

Perhaps she really thought you were your Dad's?

I don't understand why she has turned others against you & why they believe her?

gotmychristmasmiracle · 09/12/2024 13:56

@WhoIsBetty do you not this is a distraction to try and avoid having to tell everyone the truth? Maybe she was raped and doesn't want to live through it all again by explaining to everyone what happened. So doing everything she can to avoid going there.

ZoeCM · 09/12/2024 13:52

Maddy70 · 09/12/2024 10:58

I would suck it up. Ancestry things are so destructive. Your mum had a secret. That was hers to keep tbh things were different then.

You are blowing up the whole family by announcing this. For what? Why upset your dad?

If you tell everyone so you think they will all come running to you? What outcome will you have?

Of course it wasn't the mother's secret to keep! The OP had every right to know who her real father was! Do you think people have the right to lie to their child about being adopted, or being conceived by sperm/egg donor?

Ancestry tests are not destructive, they're just a form of technology - nothing more, nothing less. Lying about your child's parentage is the destructive part. A DNA test can't rip apart a family unless someone's done something wrong.

LiquoriceIcecream · 09/12/2024 13:50

You poor thing - you have every right to feel very hurt and very angry! You are being gaslit by an extremely narcissistic woman and a weak family of enablers! Definitely read/share on the famous and wonderful Stately Homes thread here. Dealing with a toxic family is no fun and support from those who "get it" can be immensely helpful.
BTW You mention a sister. Are you close to her or has she joined in the family cult and misdirected blame game?

Halfemptyhalfling · 09/12/2024 13:49

Can you talk to your godfather about this man or some other people who know him and see if they are totally normal or whether there are other things off with him. Particularly how he treats women

curtaintwitcher78 · 09/12/2024 13:48

Maddy70 · 09/12/2024 10:58

I would suck it up. Ancestry things are so destructive. Your mum had a secret. That was hers to keep tbh things were different then.

You are blowing up the whole family by announcing this. For what? Why upset your dad?

If you tell everyone so you think they will all come running to you? What outcome will you have?

The identity of her father is HER business, not just her mother's.

Also, you'd really 'suck it up' if you found this out in this way?

I hope you're just trolling, because if you really think like this you're seriously fucked up.