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Buttonsmum67 · 09/12/2024 10:29

I will preface this by saying my mother is queen Narcissist.

Last year I did a DNA Ancestry test with my kids for a fun present. My youngest's came back with a random name as his maternal grandfather- then my eldest's came back with the same thing. Then mine with this random man as my father.

I with the help of friends managed to send my mother a message asking for an explanation. She said it must be wrong etc and told me to stop being ridiculous. At this point I did another one and it came back with the same match as before with this random man.

I messaged again and said I wanted answers now. She turned up at my house at 5am in floods of tears saying she had been attacked by a man and she had thought she had got rid of me with the morning after pill and then two months later found out she was pregnant again and had thought it was a miracle to come from something so horrible (she thought I was my dad's, as in my dad who bought me up). She asked me to promise that I would never say anything to anyone as it would ruin her marriage.

When we matched with this other gentlemen he messaged me immediately asking wtf was going on. I told him my mothers name trying to gauge any panic from him and he wrote back a long message saying basically omg we had a couple of months long affair when I was working with her- he mentioned my dads name and that they used to meet while my dad was working nights etc and she called it all off when my dad asked her to marry him. He has asked to meet but I have put that on the back burner for now as I don't know which story is true. And before anyone judges me about saying I don't think my mother would lie about being attacked, she has lied about having serious illness before to get out of arguments she created.

She then began what I can only describe as a hate campaign against me- making up stories to my siblings and dad about how she had had to borrow me money etc and I wasn't paying it back- none of which were true.

Since last year we now never speak. I have messaged and called my dad and even turned up at their house to speak to him and he has said his loyalties lie with my mother and I have greatly upset her with my behaviour. I HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING! Every time I call his phone she picks up and says you won't be saying anything will you.

When I say she was abusive growing up I am in therapy as still in my 30s I struggle to stand up to her.

This morning my aunts messaged me saying about my brothers weddings (He is her golden child and doesn't make any effort to contact me or my sister back). I haven't been invited. I am seething.

I feel like drinking a bottle of wine and writing to every member of my family what has happened to stop this bull, but I also don't want to ruin my dads life. He is so under the thumb with her I don't think he'd kick off anyway.

But here I am sitting a year later left on my own thinking I'm a product of rape and now being completely cut out of the family. My mother says she was attacked, my biological dad said they were having a fully consensual affair, I haven't told him what my mum said.

But I feel like I am keeping a massive secret for the benefit of everyone else and now I am the one being ostracised. I am so upset I am being cut out.

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Seaitoverthere · 09/12/2024 15:27

cabbageking · 09/12/2024 15:22

Slightly confused as we have done the ancestry DNA test. It told us about our heritage and possible DNA links but can't tell us who our parents are?

What has happened in this case is the OP’s biological father had already tested so when she looked at her matches she could see that her biological father had tested.

OP I am so sorry this has happened and those blaming the OP are way out of line. This is not her fault and there were other ways for her Mother to handle it.

NewGreenDuck · 09/12/2024 15:25

cabbageking · 09/12/2024 15:22

Slightly confused as we have done the ancestry DNA test. It told us about our heritage and possible DNA links but can't tell us who our parents are?

It will only tell you if you are building your family tree and have opted in to have your matches sent to you. I did mine and have found relatives all over the world, we are clearly very distant relations, but I also have cousins who are doing their family trees so we matched.

MyrtlethePurpleTurtle · 09/12/2024 15:24

Maddy70 · 09/12/2024 10:58

I would suck it up. Ancestry things are so destructive. Your mum had a secret. That was hers to keep tbh things were different then.

You are blowing up the whole family by announcing this. For what? Why upset your dad?

If you tell everyone so you think they will all come running to you? What outcome will you have?

Yes, this

MyrtlethePurpleTurtle · 09/12/2024 15:23

LIZS · 09/12/2024 10:57

Sp it wasn't an affair as such, if they had not married yet. Her story re. ONS and MAP does not stand up, it wasn't easily available then.

Oh yes it was!

SpideyVerse · 09/12/2024 15:22

Buttonsmum67 · 09/12/2024 11:44

He has given me quite a bit, told me what job they met at. Told me where they used to meet for drinks etc whilst my dad was working. He mentioned some of the people they used to work with, one of whom is my godfather so it doesn't sound like a random attack, but then again obviously attacks can also happen within consensual relationships.

Indeed, majority of rape victims are aquainted with their attackers.... whether in a 'relationship' or not.

You (and your DNA) are clear evidence intercourse occurred, so a guilty attacker would be a fool to do anything other than paint as strong a picture of a consensual affair as possible.
Looking at things objectively:
Your biological Father knowing all these facts and presenting the affair scenario neither proves NOR disproves an attack on your mother.

cabbageking · 09/12/2024 15:22

Slightly confused as we have done the ancestry DNA test. It told us about our heritage and possible DNA links but can't tell us who our parents are?

SiobhanSharpe · 09/12/2024 15:22

RosesAndHellebores · 09/12/2024 11:17

I think it was. I had no problem getting it at that time.

Yes, the MAP was available, on appointment from family planning clinics and the like, (i.e. not over the counter at chemist shops) in the very late 1970s. I took it in 1979.

MyrtlethePurpleTurtle · 09/12/2024 15:20

NewGreenDuck · 09/12/2024 10:54

Was the morning after pill available when you were conceived? From memory it was the early 80s. If it wasn't then that's a lie she has told.

Oh yes , it was available then (required a visit to GP or A&E and prescription)

Kaybee50 · 09/12/2024 15:12

This is just awful. I really feel for you and would definitely suggest you seek counselling which will help you unpick all of this.
Sadly you don’t have anything to lose by telling your family as you aren’t in contact anyway - I think you taking control of the situation is really important as your mum is the one controlling the narrative. I think you have to prepare yourself though for things not necessarily changing as you aren’t able to control the lies that your mum is likely to come up with once the truth, as far as you know it, is out. Your family may still side with her but at least you will have (potentially) opened their eyes to her deceit. Perhaps seeking out a relationship with your real dad might be the one good thing that will come out of this?
Take care of yourself ❤

DuckbilledSplatterPuff · 09/12/2024 15:10

29novname · 09/12/2024 12:29

As @CreationNat1on said above. I'd start with the siblings. Tell them if they think you're lying you will happily re-do a DNA test to check if you are siblings.tell them neither you nor your kids deserve the fall-out.

I would not assume that if DNA man is a nice guy that it wasn't rape. I'd treat that as irrelevant to you right now. What IS relevant more generally was that she was in a relationship with him. If she was cheating on your dad then she's probably more worried he won't forgive her for that.

Decide as a group if your father should know.

I keep thinking about your children. Do they now know that their grandfather isn't their biological grandfather? And your DF ... the shock for him will be learning you are not his biological child, but also that two of his grandchildren are not biologically his.

"Decide as a group if your father should know"

OP, its your DNA... and its up to you who you tell. While that is the case you are still in control of this news which is deeply personal to you and which has caused you so much anxiety.

But you can't untell once its out and you can't control what others do with the news or who else they tell and how.

Once you tell siblings it will come out in any case. And maybe not in the way you'd hope - eg your DM may deflect and start saying OP told siblings and told them not to tell DF.

There is no rush to tell all whilst you are still processing this news and thinking about it. No need to have a sudden confrontation with unstable people who may not have your best interests at heart.

PaterPower · 09/12/2024 15:09

On the basis of your Mum’s reaction, including the smears about you owing her a debt, her policing your Dad’s mobile etc, I’d say it’s more likely that your bio father is the truthful one here.

She’s got DARVO down to a tee!

CleansUpButWouldPreferNotTo · 09/12/2024 15:09

Dontlletmedownbruce · 09/12/2024 14:41

I agree with this. I've heard many stories similar to this and people continue to be irresponsible enough to do these tests. I hope people read this as a cautionary tale. I for one don't believe it's ok to mess up a family because of one person's need to seek the truth. I know a family secret and I intend to keep it, as a matter of respect for those involved.

@Buttonsmum67 your Mum is acting awfully. She is so terrified of the knowledge you possess that she is prepared to cut you off. Telling anyone else would be the nail in the coffin. I dont think you should tell anyone but I do think you need to resolve things with your brother and other family members. You don't need to tell them why you fell out with DM.

As for the circumstances of your conception, does it really matter? If you are the product of rape or passion, you are still YOU. You were loved and wanted and cherished and that is all that matters.

OP's father is hardly a 'ghost from the past'!

Wigglywoowho · 09/12/2024 15:09

I would text everyone and add a screen shot of the results. Then let the chips fall as they may. The truth always comes out in the end.

beAsensible1 · 09/12/2024 15:05

If you go out all guns blazing telling everyone what's happened, she will tell them she was attacked and you will be the bad guy.

what outcome do you actually want? to be on good terms with your family, the truth about your paternity out in the open or your mother punished.

if you want a relationship with your family, the best thing is to try and reason with your mum that you won't tell her secret and get her to retract the lies about you.

if its your paternity, choose a time when your mother will be out or meet your father at work etc and have a 1-1 conversation him and maybe your brother.

if you want to burn everything down, tell everyone.

Treegate · 09/12/2024 15:00

She’s lying OP.

It wasn’t abnormal to register in your name and then register on marriage again, especially as you have to re-register the birth when you marry the dad. Your mum cheated and fucked up, she hoped it was your dads and you confirmed that you aren’t. She’s saving face like a true Narc.

tell everyone the truth.

RubyRedBow · 09/12/2024 14:57

I would send everyone a copy of your results and the conversation with the man from the DNA website any any you have with your mother.

If they see the evidence and then still don’t make amends then I would cut them all off for good and move on with my life BUT I would probably be too badly hurt by none of them listening to you before now.

ConfusedPuddle · 09/12/2024 14:57

Was the morning after pill even around then? I thought they were a fairly recent thing?

JudgeJ · 09/12/2024 14:55

Maddy70 · 09/12/2024 10:58

I would suck it up. Ancestry things are so destructive. Your mum had a secret. That was hers to keep tbh things were different then.

You are blowing up the whole family by announcing this. For what? Why upset your dad?

If you tell everyone so you think they will all come running to you? What outcome will you have?

There is the potential to destroy a lot of families with genealogy, even more so with DNA. I recall our discovery that my MIL was born 3 months after her mother's marriage simply from looking at dusty certificates, MIL wasn't pleased! After her death we found out that she had a sister born 3 years earlier, OH recalled her being presented as his grandmother's much younger sister. Not sure what it all achieves, a parent is the one who sticks a plaster on your knee etc when you're little.

DeclineandFall · 09/12/2024 14:54

Your mothers behaviour is classic narcissism. Blame someone else, then try to alienate you so she doesn't have to be reminded of her terrible behaviour. If this guy had assualted her I doubt he would even have contacted you or wanted to meet you. She'll never forgive you for finding out- there's no point trying.

I'd too be wary she might go after your bio Dad to try and cover things up. There's nothing as vindictive as the fury of a narcissist who's been found out. Meet your bio Dad and see if you can find some parental happiness there.

yukikata · 09/12/2024 14:53

DNA Ancestry kits aren't really a 'fun present'. There's always a risk of things like this coming out of the woodwork. I'd leave well alone personally.

CreationNat1on · 09/12/2024 14:51

Defamation - there is no excuse for the depth of her lies.

DragonsFurry · 09/12/2024 14:50

She has basically made false rape allegations. What a nasty, manipulative person.

Mummyoflittledragon · 09/12/2024 14:43

whiskeytangofox · 09/12/2024 13:40

Rubbish! It’s OP’s birthright to know who her biological father is and if there are any genetically related medical issues she needs to be aware of, at the very least.

Her mum should have told her the truth years ago, not lied and tried to blame the OP for making such a shocking discovery.

Also, the MAP wasn’t easy to get hold of in the 80’s unless you lived in a city or somewhere very cosmopolitan.

Yes it was. I lived in a medium sized town and could get it in 1986 or maybe 1987 from the family planning clinic. It was a faff and the wait took ages but you just went down there during opening hours, usually saw 2 people and the first must have been some sort of triage then waited to see the nurse to have your drugs administered and a big telling off if I recall.

TheHistorian · 09/12/2024 14:43

KenIsAnAccessory · 09/12/2024 12:23

Ugh sympathies OP. I have a similar story to tell and still no answers. Over the years though my mum has managed to slow alienate the entire family who crawled back when she moved on to treat them terribly and they 'saw the light' (their words). It's hard to forgive tbh but I have some relationships I really value so have moved on for those people. Others not so much.

This has been my experience too with family members.

I outed my mother about her promiscuous and neglectful parenting after years and years of her lies/manipulations and her dragging up one of her old boyfriends to cheat on my stepfather with. It was the final straw for me. She denied everything.

And guess what? They all sided with her including my brother who dropped me like a hot potato. This is despite them all knowing about her behaviour (and enabling it) and unspoken paternity issues regarding my youngest sister.

Be prepared for a permanent outing from your family @Buttonsmum67 despite the evidence. Dysfunctional families are fragile and all members are insecure in one way or another.

I'm NC with all of them, painful at the time but oh my God so worth it. My golden child brother has recently seen the light and trying to reconnect because he's out in the cold now. No thanks.

Dontlletmedownbruce · 09/12/2024 14:41

Viviennemary · 09/12/2024 12:37

I agree. You should have left well alone I instead of throwing this grenade into the middle of the family after all these years. Did you not realise the trouble it would cause awakening all these ghosts from the past. Too late now.

I agree with this. I've heard many stories similar to this and people continue to be irresponsible enough to do these tests. I hope people read this as a cautionary tale. I for one don't believe it's ok to mess up a family because of one person's need to seek the truth. I know a family secret and I intend to keep it, as a matter of respect for those involved.

@Buttonsmum67 your Mum is acting awfully. She is so terrified of the knowledge you possess that she is prepared to cut you off. Telling anyone else would be the nail in the coffin. I dont think you should tell anyone but I do think you need to resolve things with your brother and other family members. You don't need to tell them why you fell out with DM.

As for the circumstances of your conception, does it really matter? If you are the product of rape or passion, you are still YOU. You were loved and wanted and cherished and that is all that matters.