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Buttonsmum67 · 09/12/2024 10:29

I will preface this by saying my mother is queen Narcissist.

Last year I did a DNA Ancestry test with my kids for a fun present. My youngest's came back with a random name as his maternal grandfather- then my eldest's came back with the same thing. Then mine with this random man as my father.

I with the help of friends managed to send my mother a message asking for an explanation. She said it must be wrong etc and told me to stop being ridiculous. At this point I did another one and it came back with the same match as before with this random man.

I messaged again and said I wanted answers now. She turned up at my house at 5am in floods of tears saying she had been attacked by a man and she had thought she had got rid of me with the morning after pill and then two months later found out she was pregnant again and had thought it was a miracle to come from something so horrible (she thought I was my dad's, as in my dad who bought me up). She asked me to promise that I would never say anything to anyone as it would ruin her marriage.

When we matched with this other gentlemen he messaged me immediately asking wtf was going on. I told him my mothers name trying to gauge any panic from him and he wrote back a long message saying basically omg we had a couple of months long affair when I was working with her- he mentioned my dads name and that they used to meet while my dad was working nights etc and she called it all off when my dad asked her to marry him. He has asked to meet but I have put that on the back burner for now as I don't know which story is true. And before anyone judges me about saying I don't think my mother would lie about being attacked, she has lied about having serious illness before to get out of arguments she created.

She then began what I can only describe as a hate campaign against me- making up stories to my siblings and dad about how she had had to borrow me money etc and I wasn't paying it back- none of which were true.

Since last year we now never speak. I have messaged and called my dad and even turned up at their house to speak to him and he has said his loyalties lie with my mother and I have greatly upset her with my behaviour. I HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING! Every time I call his phone she picks up and says you won't be saying anything will you.

When I say she was abusive growing up I am in therapy as still in my 30s I struggle to stand up to her.

This morning my aunts messaged me saying about my brothers weddings (He is her golden child and doesn't make any effort to contact me or my sister back). I haven't been invited. I am seething.

I feel like drinking a bottle of wine and writing to every member of my family what has happened to stop this bull, but I also don't want to ruin my dads life. He is so under the thumb with her I don't think he'd kick off anyway.

But here I am sitting a year later left on my own thinking I'm a product of rape and now being completely cut out of the family. My mother says she was attacked, my biological dad said they were having a fully consensual affair, I haven't told him what my mum said.

But I feel like I am keeping a massive secret for the benefit of everyone else and now I am the one being ostracised. I am so upset I am being cut out.

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samarrange · 09/12/2024 17:24

YouveGotNoBloodyIdea · 09/12/2024 16:06

have you been hiding under a rock @samarrange ? This has been the case for many years. If I give consent to my name being matched to living relatives then it will be given to anyone who also gives consent and wants matches.

It's been used for years on Long Lost Family (ITV) as a tool to find unknown parents/children/siblings. The BBC have had a couple of series of radio shows / podcasts on exactly cases like the OPs - where families have been blown apart by discoveries. It's called "the Gift" - because people are given these tests as presents and get more than the giver bargained for. Here is the latest series https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/brand/p0gd2dgb

Apparently I have indeed been hiding under a rock. The whole thing sounds so dangerous that I can't believe anyone would take the risk of finding out, unless they had suspicions and wanted certainty. There must be thousands of families getting torn apart by this.

CosyLemur · 09/12/2024 17:20

Buttonsmum67 · 09/12/2024 10:55

I was conceived in 1986

Morning after pill wasn't readily available then!

samarrange · 09/12/2024 17:20

Stretchanoctave · 09/12/2024 16:19

You are wrong. I did one and it often comes up with a name and then says probably daughter or second cousin or third cousin. It is always correct. It really isn’t ’fluffy nonsense’.

I used the term "fluffy nonsense" to mean specifically the claims about being 7.5% Finnish or (especially) 12% Irish, which are what I see being waved about by (mostly) Americans who do these tests. They then turn up in Dublin and expect everyone to welcome them home.

I genuinely had no idea that these tests also do direct family matching --- I certainly wouldn't call that fluffy, but given the prevalence of what researchers euphemistically call "paternity discrepancy", I think that taking such a test might well be a minefield, as OP has found out. I'm even more glad than before that I have not touched this with a bargepole.

Harshtruth1111 · 09/12/2024 17:16

Hmmm
I would spend more of my energy in trying to make contact with your real dad.
It's not fair what your mum has done.
I don't find her story plausible at all esp with what you described regarding the birth certificate name change.

You missed out on getting to know your real dad vice verse.

Best of luck Hun.

DBD1975 · 09/12/2024 17:10

Maddy70 · 09/12/2024 11:07

Yes unless you want to lose all your family. Your poor dad

This totally, this.

DBD1975 · 09/12/2024 17:08

Firstly I would imagine your Dad knew about the affair and the fact you were not his child but wanted to keep you and bring you up as his own. Your Mother had decided to re-write history for her own benefit (not attacked, had an affair).
From your perspective and the perspective of your family nothing has changed, your Dad is still your Dad ( not biologically but in every other sense of the word). Your Mum has given you her story and asked you to keep it a secret. For the sake of your family I would do so. What do you have to gain by texting (really texting?) other family members to let them know.
The only person suffering here is you, as you are estranged from your family.
Heal the rift and stop your search for the truth because you already have it, your parents want to keep this secret which they have kept for over 35 years, give them that.
Contact your biological Father if this is your wish (your parents don't need to know) and hopefully enjoy getting to know him.
I wish you well and I wish you peace OP.

blondiepigtails · 09/12/2024 17:06

An Ancestry DNA test can tell you who your parents are if they have tested as well. In this instance, the unknown father has independently tested and has been identified as the biological father. The OP has his name because he chose to use his name on the test. I have tested as have my parents - none of our tests have our real names on, only initials (my choice). My uncle, however, has used his real name.
An Ancestry or My Heritage DNA test will not be able to identify any relative if they have not tested on that site. This is not the first time that someone has taken the test for fun and has been unexpectedly matched with a paternal stranger.

SpideyVerse · 09/12/2024 17:06

Buttonsmum67 · 09/12/2024 15:50

Huh? I am not saying that? I am saying I have found out and my mother is cutting me out of the family since finding out. Please read the post before commenting.

@Buttonsmum67 ??
Apologies if my wording was clumsy, as I was simply agreeing with your point that "....so it doesn't sound like a random attack, but then again obviously attacks can also happen within consensual relationships"

I absolutely HAD read your post, and my sympathies are with you.
Because (whilst your mother's versions of events is unlikely given your description of her nature) regardless of whether it was an attack or affair or even ONS that your mother has tried to conceal all these years, her fearful desperatation to discredit you and sabatage your relationships with your entire family, is truly dispicable of her. I hope in time they all come to realise this and embrace you as the sibling/daughter/niece you've always been.

TunaTheSilverTabbyCat · 09/12/2024 17:03

I'm sorry that you're having to deal with all of this

I, personally, would write the same letter to every member of my family that is currently freezing you out, enclose copies of both DNA information. Keep it short and to the point, no slagging off of your Mother but in no uncertain terms say that it's untrue what she is accusing you of

Also meet your Dad face to face, take a friend/partner/unbiased family member for support and ask for his version of things in writing

Then you've fought your corner
You've said your truth and hopefully people will start to come round

Wigglywoowho · 09/12/2024 17:00

We found out lots of secrets because of ancestry dna tests.

My cousin found out her dad is not her dad.

My mum ended up with another auntie, she had 5 kids and those adult children (in their 60s) also have adult kids who have kids.

It would have been scandalous in those days to have kids outside marriage.

It's really not to be done without lots of thought because it could and does open a can of worms.

Ambergrain · 09/12/2024 16:58

OP - Surely you're mum still can't be a high up police officer... You said she was 28 when you were conceived in 1986...that would make her 67ish now which is well past retirement age for the vast majority of cops and would need special permission to stay at that age?

ABagInABox · 09/12/2024 16:56

I did 23andMe with one of my sisters. I told her I was just interested in our heritage but in truth I look adopted, I do not look anything like my sisters who could be twins in looks, I am literally the complete opposite and I have green eyes which gave me a less than 1% chance of having them given my parents and grandparents eye colour.

My Mum was also very religious and vocal about being against abortion even in the case of rape so that was a thought I had. 23andMe confirmed I am indeed a full biological sister thank goodness and I was glad to know definitively.

I had my full profile and then you can opt in to share your results and also opt in to share your full profile which includes things like potential hereditary conditions. Each time you agree it does say you need to consider the potential issues that could arise or something like that, it is a while ago now. I opted to share my profile but not my full medical details. Once my sister shared her info we matched. I have 3rd and 4th cousins on there and was contacted by a distant cousin in the US for information.

OP you have done nothing wrong.

diddl · 09/12/2024 16:54

I would cut through all the BS and tell your mum that unless you are welcomed back into the family with open arms before Christmas, including being invited to your brothers wedding with a seat at the head table, you are sending everything to everyone and letting them decide.

Not sure if that would make the family turn against Op even more tbh.

AnonymusMember566 · 09/12/2024 16:53

What about the biological father and his family? Everyone’s suggesting that OP should tell their dad (the mom’s husband), expose the truth to the entire family, and maybe even gain a connection with the biological father’s family. But it’s not that straightforward. If his family finds out he fathered a child through an affair, it could cause serious upheaval on their end too.

To be blunt, I see two possible outcomes here. First, OP tells her family, who will hopefully rally around her and ultimately cut ties with the mother for being manipulative and dishonest. Or second, the family sides with the mother, refuses to believe OP, and nothing improves for the OP—except the truth is finally out.

tachetastic · 09/12/2024 16:53

Buttonsmum67 · 09/12/2024 10:29

I will preface this by saying my mother is queen Narcissist.

Last year I did a DNA Ancestry test with my kids for a fun present. My youngest's came back with a random name as his maternal grandfather- then my eldest's came back with the same thing. Then mine with this random man as my father.

I with the help of friends managed to send my mother a message asking for an explanation. She said it must be wrong etc and told me to stop being ridiculous. At this point I did another one and it came back with the same match as before with this random man.

I messaged again and said I wanted answers now. She turned up at my house at 5am in floods of tears saying she had been attacked by a man and she had thought she had got rid of me with the morning after pill and then two months later found out she was pregnant again and had thought it was a miracle to come from something so horrible (she thought I was my dad's, as in my dad who bought me up). She asked me to promise that I would never say anything to anyone as it would ruin her marriage.

When we matched with this other gentlemen he messaged me immediately asking wtf was going on. I told him my mothers name trying to gauge any panic from him and he wrote back a long message saying basically omg we had a couple of months long affair when I was working with her- he mentioned my dads name and that they used to meet while my dad was working nights etc and she called it all off when my dad asked her to marry him. He has asked to meet but I have put that on the back burner for now as I don't know which story is true. And before anyone judges me about saying I don't think my mother would lie about being attacked, she has lied about having serious illness before to get out of arguments she created.

She then began what I can only describe as a hate campaign against me- making up stories to my siblings and dad about how she had had to borrow me money etc and I wasn't paying it back- none of which were true.

Since last year we now never speak. I have messaged and called my dad and even turned up at their house to speak to him and he has said his loyalties lie with my mother and I have greatly upset her with my behaviour. I HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING! Every time I call his phone she picks up and says you won't be saying anything will you.

When I say she was abusive growing up I am in therapy as still in my 30s I struggle to stand up to her.

This morning my aunts messaged me saying about my brothers weddings (He is her golden child and doesn't make any effort to contact me or my sister back). I haven't been invited. I am seething.

I feel like drinking a bottle of wine and writing to every member of my family what has happened to stop this bull, but I also don't want to ruin my dads life. He is so under the thumb with her I don't think he'd kick off anyway.

But here I am sitting a year later left on my own thinking I'm a product of rape and now being completely cut out of the family. My mother says she was attacked, my biological dad said they were having a fully consensual affair, I haven't told him what my mum said.

But I feel like I am keeping a massive secret for the benefit of everyone else and now I am the one being ostracised. I am so upset I am being cut out.

I would cut through all the BS and tell your mum that unless you are welcomed back into the family with open arms before Christmas, including being invited to your brothers wedding with a seat at the head table, you are sending everything to everyone and letting them decide.

Let her work out how to explain her change of heart. Irrespective of the father, you are her daughter and you deserve more.

CreationNat1on · 09/12/2024 16:52

I think the rape allegation was designed to garner your sympathy and to embroiled you into this victim centered joint secret. Put some of the responsibility of the conception and fall out on you.

I think it's a manipulation tool, that doesn't make sense in the wider circumstances. I think if it all comes out, she will double down on that version of events, but rather than formally report it, she will instead allude to the allegation, rather than come out and say it. Smoke and mirrors diffusion of responsibility.

I don't think she will "own" the allegation.

If the rest of the family want a peaceful life or are brainwashed by her, they may stand by her version of events. It's the only version of events that maintain her dignity.

Is there any value in speaking to her directly, telling her you can work through this together, but she has to stop with the lies. It ll tear the family apart. Ask her to quit the smear campaign.

LoveSandbanks · 09/12/2024 16:52

Maddy70 · 09/12/2024 10:58

I would suck it up. Ancestry things are so destructive. Your mum had a secret. That was hers to keep tbh things were different then.

You are blowing up the whole family by announcing this. For what? Why upset your dad?

If you tell everyone so you think they will all come running to you? What outcome will you have?

She’s not blowing up the family tho is she. The mother is blowing up the family with her lies! Things were not that different in 1986!

Shes deliberately ostracising you now that you know. I’d argue that it isn’t her secret to keep, it’s yours. If she’d behaved even slightly reasonably in recent times I might be tempted to stay silent but , in these circumstances I’d feel forced to stick up for my honour and tell the truth. That way you might at least have a chance of keeping a relationship with your siblings!

Switcher · 09/12/2024 16:39

Wow that Ancestry link then links off to a whole charity that is solely designated to help people with a "not parent expected" event on these tests! https://npefellowship.org/

NPE Friends Fellowship | Awareness · Community · Education

https://npefellowship.org

ThisIsSockward · 09/12/2024 16:35

Unfortunately, your father (non-biological) has sided with your mother. At that point, I'd say it was time to come clean. It's not your burden to bear, either way, and there's absolutely no reason for all this secrecy. If your mother's telling the truth, it sounds like your father will stay with her. If she's lying, he'll either be in denial or forgive her... or not. In any event, it's not fair to put you and your children in this position. I'd put it all out in the open. I wouldn't expect your cowardly parents to do what's right, regardless, but at least I'd say my piece!

AcrossthePond55 · 09/12/2024 16:29

@Buttonsmum67

I think the first thing I'd do is gather what info I could. I'd start with asking your putative father how/where he met your mother, the approximate dates of the affair, where they were living at the time. You know, to build as 'concrete' a picture as you can of the affair. See if what he says 'makes sense' to you compared to what you know about your mum's whereabouts & activities at the time. Since your mum & dad weren't married when you were born, I assume you may not know the 'timetable' of their relationship back then. Was she sleeping with both? Did the affair end & their relationship begin soon enough to 'bamboozle' your dad into thinking you were his?

As far as her rape allegation, I really don't think so. A perp would probably either deny and/or admit to a consensual ONS, but a protracted 2 month affair? I doubt they'd go that far, it would be too easy to disprove.

Anyway, I'd get as good of a timetable as I could to set my mind at rest as far as the affair. What I'd do with that information, IDK. I'd be tempted to tell my mother that unless she publicly and 'proveably' retracts all her nastiness to the wider family I was going to go nuclear with the information. Or I'd simply message/see my dad, show him the DNA test, and ask "Did you know this?".

Applesonthelawn · 09/12/2024 16:24

Basically, disempower her by getting the truth out there and taking control.

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Applesonthelawn · 09/12/2024 16:20

The truth will always out and there's no point trying to hide it, especially now that your mother knows you know and is behaving so irrationally and unfairly.

I'd tell everyone and get it over with - it's all just a matter of time anyway. SHe's tyrannising you with her behaviour and the only way to stop that is to get the truth out there sooner rather than later. Let them all make of it whatever they want.
Your Dad might eventually accept that it was before they married anyway. He might have suspected and just learned to live with it. Who knows? But best to have the truth out so you all know what you are dealing with and he can make decisions accordingly armed with the truth and your mum has to stop with her shenanigans.

Stretchanoctave · 09/12/2024 16:19

samarrange · 09/12/2024 15:42

Perhaps I'm missing something, but: I thought these "DNA ancestry" tests just told you that you are 7.5% Finnish or 18% Ruritanian or some such fluffy nonsense. (It's fluffy nonsense for a number of reasons, but principally because they compare your alleles with those that are more prevalent in contemporary Ruritania, not what was prevalent when your alleged ancestors lived there.)

There are also specific paternity tests, but those rely on having the DNA of the child and the father (or at least, the presumed father) and they they say either yes or no, that person is or isn't the father.

So I'm trying to work out how this company got hold of the biological father's DNA with his name on it, and then sent his name out just like that with the results of a "fun present". Apart from anything else these tests are not 100% reliable across a large number of tests and a false positive could lead to disaster. There are obvious monumental ethical implications to this sort of thing.

@Buttonsmum67 can you give the name of the company? I'd like to see what kind of disclaimers/warnings/privacy protection they provide on their website.

You are wrong. I did one and it often comes up with a name and then says probably daughter or second cousin or third cousin. It is always correct. It really isn’t ’fluffy nonsense’.