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…to be annoyed by the comment ‘you’re not a real mum if you only have one?’

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notarealmum101 · 08/12/2024 19:30

Need to know if I’m being over-sensitive or if I’m right to be annoyed by a comment made at a recent mums’ night out.

Met up this week with four mum friends - we were all in the same mum and baby yoga class when we were all new first time mums and have kept in touch since, mostly by WhatsApp but we try and catch up a few times a year. Our first kids have all recently turned 4. They have all had at least one more since then, and two of them are pregnant with third babies. I only have one, despite our best efforts (it took us a while to conceive DD and we’re 18 months into trying for a second, and probably going to have to stop soon because age isn’t on our side and we don’t have money for IVF).

During our meal there was a lot of chat about sibling dynamics, pregnancy with a toddler, the challenges of managing the needs of two kids at once etc etc, and also about the activities they’ve been up to together whilst on their overlapping second maternity leaves, all of which is understandable although left me feeling pretty left out.

However, one of them (the one with the youngest second child in the group) made a passing comment which really stuck with me, which was that ‘You aren’t really a proper mum until you have two’. Her point was that if you haven’t had to manage two kids simultaneously and deal with their competing needs and personalities, then you haven’t done the hardest part of parenting and so you’re not a legitimate parent. The others didn’t really seem to disagree with her on this.

I was too caught out in the moment to say anything (and to be honest I already felt pretty isolated by the discussion) but the comment has stuck with me over the past few days and I can’t help but dwell on the idea that this is what everyone thinks and that I’ll never be a proper mum because we’ll only ever have one kid, and it’s really left me feeling low (my period rocking up as scheduled probably hasn’t helped matters). Part of me just want to fade away from the group as I’ll never meet their threshold of being a ‘real’ mum and it’ll only get worse as they all have more kids.

YANBU - it was an insensitive thing to say and you’re right to want to distance yourself

YABU - stop being so sensitive, they’re only being honest

OP posts:
Brinkley22 · 08/12/2024 20:43

This is an absolutely ridiculous thing to say.

You knoe, some people will just be smug and annoying about anything…. This will carry on through the years, just you wait. You’ll reach a time when she will be comparing GCSE results and after that who is earning the most money!

argh either let it be water off a duck’s back and:or distance yourself.

and for what it’s worth I think that sometimes it’s the people who have not given birth to to their ‘biological’ children can be the most caring and nurturing of all mothers and fathers, what would she say there?

ParsnipPuree · 08/12/2024 20:42

To give her the benefit of the doubt she sounds deranged, but I'd put my money on her just being a bitch.

Sonowimbackfromouterspace · 08/12/2024 20:42

Thepeopleversuswork · 08/12/2024 20:35

That is probably the most moronic comment I have ever heard. I couldn’t even bring myself to be offended by that: she is either being a goady cow or she’s as thick as pigshit.

Yes, I'm leaning towards the latter, based on the OP. A bit like the whole idea that you can only either love or hate Marmite, I mean really, what a load of bolleaux. People come up with these stupid statements from thin air, and worse still others nod in agreement without thinking.

I'm inclined to the think that while the statement is clearly without substance, it is hugely insightful about the person who chose to say it.

Tiredofallthis101 · 08/12/2024 20:41

Eurgh idiots. Insensitive idiots. I don't think that is how most people feel at all - the biggest adjustment is definitely 0-1 child. Sure it adds a different dynamic having to stop them beating each other with a spoon or sitting on each other's head but you birthed a child, raised the child, did all the nights and cleaning up after them and everything else - and most importantly loving your child and providing a safe environment. How could you be any more of a mum than that?

fiualdje · 08/12/2024 20:41

In my opinion the hardest part of parenting has been the shock of capture going from 0 to 1.

Anyway, what a stupid thing to say. Of course it isn't true. No such thing as a 'proper mum'. She is a proper dick though.

ByMerryKoala · 08/12/2024 20:40

Who was it who said one is like having a pet and two is like running a zoo? I can't remember, Caitlin Moran? Someone like that.

Obviously you are a proper Mum of one child but I think that there are long understood tangible differences about the mode of operation between one and more.

Itiswhysofew · 08/12/2024 20:40

That's a ridiculous thing to say. I've never heard anyone say such a thing and it's just not true. Of course you're a real mum.

Don't give that silly comment another thought.

All the best to you.

GodotIsntComing · 08/12/2024 20:39

Are you sure she wasn't joking? It's such a silly comment.

I can understand you feeling pissed off but I wouldn't distance myself from them. Why sprint you mention it next time you see them. Say that you find it awkward when they go on about having multiple kids and ask them to be more mindful of your feelings.

There are always going to be mothers with more challenging circumstances. It's not a competition.

The only time I can think of where I've rolled my eyes at a mother of a single child is when I read that dumb book by Phillipa Perry where she is so smug about her parenting skills but 'only' had one well behaved child. Although, to be fair, I'd have rolled my eyes just as much if she had had 6 children.

Mumtobabyhavoc · 08/12/2024 20:38

First, when we're feeling fragile comments get to us.
Second, we need to stop letting others define us.

Sally, did you just say, Not a real mum?
(Sally responds, defiantly or awkwardly.)
(Friends side with you or try and deflect or defend.)
Right, goodbye ladies.
Head up.

End of. Sounds like Sally is a bitch, tbh.

Cakeandusername · 08/12/2024 20:38

How rude. I’d distance myself and make some new mum friends I assure will be starting school soon so a natural point to change things.

Overwhelmedowl · 08/12/2024 20:37

notarealmum101 · 08/12/2024 19:30

Need to know if I’m being over-sensitive or if I’m right to be annoyed by a comment made at a recent mums’ night out.

Met up this week with four mum friends - we were all in the same mum and baby yoga class when we were all new first time mums and have kept in touch since, mostly by WhatsApp but we try and catch up a few times a year. Our first kids have all recently turned 4. They have all had at least one more since then, and two of them are pregnant with third babies. I only have one, despite our best efforts (it took us a while to conceive DD and we’re 18 months into trying for a second, and probably going to have to stop soon because age isn’t on our side and we don’t have money for IVF).

During our meal there was a lot of chat about sibling dynamics, pregnancy with a toddler, the challenges of managing the needs of two kids at once etc etc, and also about the activities they’ve been up to together whilst on their overlapping second maternity leaves, all of which is understandable although left me feeling pretty left out.

However, one of them (the one with the youngest second child in the group) made a passing comment which really stuck with me, which was that ‘You aren’t really a proper mum until you have two’. Her point was that if you haven’t had to manage two kids simultaneously and deal with their competing needs and personalities, then you haven’t done the hardest part of parenting and so you’re not a legitimate parent. The others didn’t really seem to disagree with her on this.

I was too caught out in the moment to say anything (and to be honest I already felt pretty isolated by the discussion) but the comment has stuck with me over the past few days and I can’t help but dwell on the idea that this is what everyone thinks and that I’ll never be a proper mum because we’ll only ever have one kid, and it’s really left me feeling low (my period rocking up as scheduled probably hasn’t helped matters). Part of me just want to fade away from the group as I’ll never meet their threshold of being a ‘real’ mum and it’ll only get worse as they all have more kids.

YANBU - it was an insensitive thing to say and you’re right to want to distance yourself

YABU - stop being so sensitive, they’re only being honest

Wow. Your “friend” is a knob.
You’re not oversensitive at all.
I have one child, I’m a “proper mum”

Thepeopleversuswork · 08/12/2024 20:35

That is probably the most moronic comment I have ever heard. I couldn’t even bring myself to be offended by that: she is either being a goady cow or she’s as thick as pigshit.

niadainud · 08/12/2024 20:34

No doubt the sort of person who also thinks you're not a proper woman unless you've given birth.

Beezknees · 08/12/2024 20:33

I have only one child and I wouldn't take this comment to heart, I'd probably just laugh at it because it's so ridiculous.

Caterina99 · 08/12/2024 20:33

Stupid thing to say! Absolutely no one actually thinks that. They all had one child themselves at some point, did they not consider themselves real mums then?

xyz111 · 08/12/2024 20:33

I'm a mum to only 1 child, and I'm 100% a real mum!! What a bitch.

Mumof2girls2121 · 08/12/2024 20:32

She’s an idiot, don’t give her another thought,

Oodydoody · 08/12/2024 20:32

OP, honestly it is the type of twittering that someone not the brightest might come out with.

I don't for a second think its true.
Please mind yourself.
These are very sensitive painful emotions.

I have just recalled someone saying a version of that but she had her second, was drowning and found the juggling two really really hard.
She had loved just the one but her husband really wanted a second. Her second had colic for 6 weeks and it was hell.
I will tell you one thing, all of my children have very close 'only children' as friends, and without exception they are the lovliest, most well rounded, confident young adults you could possibly meet.

Sonowimbackfromouterspace · 08/12/2024 20:32

However, one of them (the one with the youngest second child in the group) made a passing comment which really stuck with me, which was that ‘You aren’t really a proper mum until you have two’. Her point was that if you haven’t had to manage two kids simultaneously and deal with their competing needs and personalities, then you haven’t done the hardest part of parenting and so you’re not a legitimate parent. The others didn’t really seem to disagree with her on this.

Was the comment aimed at you, or at the least a dig at you? If so, you might want to question the friendship. If it was just a statement made in a general sense, she'd just shown herself as having very little self-awareness and / or awareness of the people around her.

I am very happily childless by I choice. I have very, very strong opinions on the number of children people have - I do not ever voice these opinions as I am no more right or wrong than the next person, but for what it's worth, I have a huge amount of respect for those who limit the number, shall we say. You do you, and ignore the comment - of course you're a proper parent. I'm not, and I have never claimed to be.

Ella31 · 08/12/2024 20:29

Scottishskifun · 08/12/2024 20:19

Jesus Fiing christ I am so sorry you had to listen to such a horrific thing! 💔 oh course your a mother glad you sent them packing!

Thanks a mil, you learn about people quickly don't you.

Justlovedogs · 08/12/2024 20:29

I've only read the OP and I'm from the 'child free' section of MN, but what an awful thing to say!
I'm not a mum, fair enough, but if you've got one, you're a real mum.
@Redcrayons has it right. Ignore, OP, she's a twat.

Suzuki76 · 08/12/2024 20:28

If she says it again I echo saying something like "Really? Gosh, how did her firstborn name manage for her first 3 years without a proper mum?"

I have one and I am definitely a bloody mum. I am knackered!

MeyerBennett · 08/12/2024 20:27

Not read all the comments so may be repeating this but as a mother to one child (who was not trying for another as I was no longer with the father of my child), this is so fucking rude. WTAF. Because I don't have more than one child I'm not a mother. FUCK. OFF.

HardlyLikely · 08/12/2024 20:26

I’d have pointed out that the reason I had one child by choice was precisely because parenting one child doesn’t involve juggling competing personalities. It’s great! You can be a parent, guess what — without having to do that! Everything is easier, cheaper, and less complex.

InformerYaNoSayDaddyMeSnowMeIGoBlameALickyBoom · 08/12/2024 20:26

Ella31 · 08/12/2024 20:16

I have one of those people in my life. Because my twin babies died shortly after their birth last Christmas, I was a mother but I'm not now according to her. 😪But because I'm pregnant again , I've the chance again to be one. I've cut her out of my life recently.

I'm so sorry, my son died 26 years ago and my daughter died 17 years ago, and I'm still their mum and always will be, just as your babies will always be your babies, and you will always be their mum.

Well done for cutting the person out, she's an absolute cunt and she doesn't deserve you.

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