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…to be annoyed by the comment ‘you’re not a real mum if you only have one?’

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notarealmum101 · 08/12/2024 19:30

Need to know if I’m being over-sensitive or if I’m right to be annoyed by a comment made at a recent mums’ night out.

Met up this week with four mum friends - we were all in the same mum and baby yoga class when we were all new first time mums and have kept in touch since, mostly by WhatsApp but we try and catch up a few times a year. Our first kids have all recently turned 4. They have all had at least one more since then, and two of them are pregnant with third babies. I only have one, despite our best efforts (it took us a while to conceive DD and we’re 18 months into trying for a second, and probably going to have to stop soon because age isn’t on our side and we don’t have money for IVF).

During our meal there was a lot of chat about sibling dynamics, pregnancy with a toddler, the challenges of managing the needs of two kids at once etc etc, and also about the activities they’ve been up to together whilst on their overlapping second maternity leaves, all of which is understandable although left me feeling pretty left out.

However, one of them (the one with the youngest second child in the group) made a passing comment which really stuck with me, which was that ‘You aren’t really a proper mum until you have two’. Her point was that if you haven’t had to manage two kids simultaneously and deal with their competing needs and personalities, then you haven’t done the hardest part of parenting and so you’re not a legitimate parent. The others didn’t really seem to disagree with her on this.

I was too caught out in the moment to say anything (and to be honest I already felt pretty isolated by the discussion) but the comment has stuck with me over the past few days and I can’t help but dwell on the idea that this is what everyone thinks and that I’ll never be a proper mum because we’ll only ever have one kid, and it’s really left me feeling low (my period rocking up as scheduled probably hasn’t helped matters). Part of me just want to fade away from the group as I’ll never meet their threshold of being a ‘real’ mum and it’ll only get worse as they all have more kids.

YANBU - it was an insensitive thing to say and you’re right to want to distance yourself

YABU - stop being so sensitive, they’re only being honest

OP posts:
AegonT · 08/12/2024 21:32

What a horrible thing to say! I now have two children and fully appreciate the challenges of my husband and I meeting both their needs. But my friend is a single parent caring for two from when they were tiny; that's much harder: she never thinks she's a real Mum and I'm not! My life with two kids is different from my life with just one but my life before having my first was a thousand times more different! In fact my most challenging year of parenting was my first year when my oldest was a very high needs baby. She was an only child for a long time and I was absolutely a "real mother", her needs dominated my life. I'm sorry you're experiencing difficulties conceiving a second child. I hope you go on to have a second but if you don't then having just one can be wonderful. My DD1 benefited so much from her years of being our only priority and we could have set her up in life if we had only her to fund. I know some some very happy only children through DD's school friends and one close friend.

FiveWhatByFiveWhat · 08/12/2024 21:31

FeegleFrenzy · 08/12/2024 21:12

They sound boring and self obsessed to be honest. Do you have anything in common with them apart from similar aged kids?

it’s a stupid comment, not true and makes her sound thick.

id have laid it on thick and burst into tears, confessed to secondary infertility/miscarriages and sat there and sobbed and sobbed.

I get what you mean but nobody should have to lay anything on.

I only have one. He's 5 this week and I'm now the only one in 2 mum groups with an only. We haven't tried. We're happy.

I'm a fucking great mum (as are you I'm sure @notarealmum101 ) My son (who has additional needs) is absolutely thriving and so so loved. I have struggles with him that none of those other mums can comprehend. But even if he was the easiest kid ever, it doesn't fucking matter. I'm his mum. I am a mother. A REAL fucking mother, whatever that means. And so are you @notarealmum101 .

None of them have been insensitive enough to say anything outright in front of me but I do think some have similar thoughts to your "friend" at times.'

I'd have told her to fuck off and left, gone home to enjoy my lovely family 🙂

SabreIsMyFave · 08/12/2024 21:29

Rinkytoo · 08/12/2024 21:26

What nonsense. I am an only child and my mum is definitely a real mum. I bet this woman feels some insecurity about her ability to parent or envies you in some way OP (either parenting or otherwise) and wants to bring you down. Bitch.

Yep. I know/have known quite a few women who regretted having more than one child, because it made life so much more difficult for them, changed the dynamic of the family, cost much more money, affected their marriage etc etc, and they envied couples with just one child. This woman sounds like that! Jealous for some reason.

Not all mums with more than one child think like this of course. I have 2 (girls, 1 year apart,) and don't feel this way.

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Waffle19 · 08/12/2024 21:29

To give her the benefit of the doubt. If her second is still very new which it sounds, she could just be shell shocked and realising how hard two is. That doesn’t excuse her at all but if she is usually a good friend I’d be tempted to say she just worded it wrong. Obviously if she knows about your fertility issues she’s very out of order

Dpresst · 08/12/2024 21:29

It was thoughtless of her. Is she usually a bitch or just a bit thick with no filter?

TickingKey46 · 08/12/2024 21:28

What a silly and complety irrelevant comment! I have 2 children after struggling for 6 years and after having ivf.
There are so so many variables with being a parent. You're not more of a parent the more children you have! I suspect she's struggling with the dynamics of having 2 children, tired, a bit self centred and over whelmed. Never the less it's a rather stupid comment. Others wouldn't have said anything as people just tend to go along with things rather than tackle someone.
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BlastedPimples · 08/12/2024 21:27

Utter bollocks.

You have to learn to ignore the utter bollocks that is in fact everwhere or you're going to be perpetually pissed off.

Rinkytoo · 08/12/2024 21:26

What nonsense. I am an only child and my mum is definitely a real mum. I bet this woman feels some insecurity about her ability to parent or envies you in some way OP (either parenting or otherwise) and wants to bring you down. Bitch.

sunshinestar1986 · 08/12/2024 21:23

I've had the same op
Very unkind comments, some completely unaware and would feel hurt if they realised they hurt me.
The only people who seem to be able to empathise are people who are experiencing infertility.

Cranberryjaffacakes · 08/12/2024 21:23

I have one and hate these type comments which are surprisingly common.
I usually just give a tight smile while thinking I should say “fuck the fuck off!”

HappyMamma2023 · 08/12/2024 21:20

Wow. What does she want, a medal? We're also likely to only have our son due to various health reasons and I'm happy with that and a very very proud mum.
Mums need to cheer each other on not compete against each other. Life isn't a competition xx

TheTigerWhoCameToEatMyArsehole · 08/12/2024 21:20

Someone I know said something similar to me because I had one at the time. 3 years of trying and multiple miscarriages trying to have my second which I didn't bring up. I just walked away and said absolutely nothing.The person saying it had 6 with 4 different men. I don't need to say anything that says it all even now it still pisses me off.

Scentedjasmin · 08/12/2024 21:18

It was thoughtless. I think that she was just expressing how hard work having 2 is. Which it is. I think that she phrased it terribly, but sometimes our mouths speak without thinking and the words spill out. Just because no one disagreed doesn't mean that they agree. And it certainly doesn't mean that you are any less of a mum. Don't isolate yourself though by cutting them off. Do they know that you're having trouble conceiving? Is there one that you are closer to than the others that you could talk to over this?

MrsSunshine2b · 08/12/2024 21:18

Mumtobabyhavoc · 08/12/2024 20:58

You're missing the point, I think.
She's referencing the type of person who judges women and motherhood by a made up standard (by insecure and competitive usu. women):
vaginal birth = giving birth; section doesn't
breast feeding=feeding; bottle feeding doesn't
genetically related =real children; adoption/ivf doesn't
one child = easy; multiple=real parenting
I had no idea about the judgements until I found parenting forums and mums' groups.
Example: at a playground, my child didn't want to share a toy with another child. The dad walked over as I was explaining sharing. He said, An only?
My dc was 1.5 years.
(And for the record his angel was grabby.)

Edited

What a cheeky fucker. I'd have said, "Can I just borrow your car keys, I fancy taking it for a spin. Why not? Are you an only child?"

Mjmum10 · 08/12/2024 21:16

Anyone can be a mother, a real mum is a good parent, whether you have one kid or 5.
Your a real mum, that woman is a real twat. Some women like to try and belittle others. I personally wouldn't want to hang around with someone with such a toxic vibe, but that comment is so rude I'd feel inclined to tell the asshole she's offended you and how dare she insinuate your not a real mother. She needs to grow up

mbosnz · 08/12/2024 21:16

That's not being honest, that's being a bitchy little dumbarse.

MrsSunshine2b · 08/12/2024 21:15

Some people have achieved very little with their lives and so when they push a baby out they feel like they finally have done something to make them feel superior, and they say things like, "You wouldn't understand unless you were a mother," or, "You don't know what tired is until you have a baby!"

Then they realise that the vast majority of people they know have also successfully managed to give birth and so they need to find something else to make them special.

"You don't know real love until you become a BOY MUM!"
"You think toddlers are hard? Just you wait until you have to manage a TEENAGER!"

And this woman has settled for, "You're not a real Mum if you only have one."

WhimsicalGubbins76 · 08/12/2024 21:15

She sounds like a complete halfwit 🤣🤣
What she really means is, she can’t cope, and she’s bitter about having a second

Pipsquiggle · 08/12/2024 21:13

She's talking bollocks and being shitty.

I think what she was cack handedly trying to say was that your workload more than doubles when you have 2 babies close together.

I remember a mum friend telling me that before I had DC2. She just told me as a warning re feeling knackered and don't worry if you can't do everything. She wasn't being a bitch or anything like that.

FeegleFrenzy · 08/12/2024 21:12

They sound boring and self obsessed to be honest. Do you have anything in common with them apart from similar aged kids?

it’s a stupid comment, not true and makes her sound thick.

id have laid it on thick and burst into tears, confessed to secondary infertility/miscarriages and sat there and sobbed and sobbed.

Iloveacurry · 08/12/2024 21:11

What a silly cow! Did anyone else hear her say that?

RavenBoys · 08/12/2024 21:09

I accidentally clicked YABU instead of YANBU!

EasterIssland · 08/12/2024 21:07

Zippidydoodah · 08/12/2024 19:34

That’s a terrible thing to say. You should have told them you’d been trying. It’s none of their business of course, but might have made that one feel suitably ashamed. How dare she!?

Also, one child or ten; of course you’re a mother!!

💐

Not really you shouldn’t have to justify your family choices. It was an awful sentence to say and they should be ashamed of themselves.

RisingSunn · 08/12/2024 21:06

It’s very poorly worded.
When I had my 2nd, my sister said the same thing. That I’d become a “proper” mum. She has one child!

So I think it’s just one of those poorly worded comments. But if they know of your struggles - then it was really insensitive of them.

Newmumburnout · 08/12/2024 21:06

Yanbu, however I get the impression she worded it wrong. I have 1 child and I can imagine having two would be harder work. I think this is what she meant to say. However it's not a race to the bottom. If course your a real mum. If these friends are not adding value then yes move on but if they are, stay.

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