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To be surprised you mumsnetters criticised my ex’s school !!

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Jumell · 08/12/2024 15:48

My ex went to an all boys’ comprehensive school in London. It’s been slagged off to the ground on here as being rough, not being the school of choice for MC parents, results are dire etc etc .

However he did leave the school in one piece and with 2 CSEs no less!! (OK showing his age a bit!) But the pearl clutchiness about his school on MN is immense !! 🤣 - I didn’t do CSEs btw so don’t truly know how good 2 CSEs is.
He left school in 1986 FYI - I was still a young school kid then, Dunno - was 2 CSEs good for 1986?!

FWIW the comp I went to wasn’t short for ‘comprehensive’ - more compost heap - but that’s possibly the subject of another thread. !

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Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 08/12/2024 16:24

MereDintofPandiculation · 08/12/2024 16:13

Two top grade CSEs in English and Maths - good. No, not good. Equivalent to mediocre GCSEs in English and Maths.

Good in the context of only being allowed to take CSEs, maybe. A girl came to my school for sixth form who had previously attended a comp where the headteacher attempted to get rid of O levels and make all pupils sit CSEs. His logic was that a top grade CSE was as good as an O level pass and it was elitist to have a two tier system. There was apparently a revolt from the parents of the more able children who wanted their children to go on to further and higher education and he had to backtrack. (This was the mid to late 1970s.)

BananaNirvana · 08/12/2024 16:24

Ohthatsabitshit · 08/12/2024 16:03

There were CSEs, O levels, AO levels, A levels, and S levels.

I think the king has 3 CSEs?

He has 6 O levels so if he does have CSEs they weren’t his only qualification 😄

TheSilkWorm · 08/12/2024 16:22

What do you think your DP's school experience in 1986 has to do with that school now? The school is like trigger's broom. None of its constituent parts are the same as they were then.

ArabellaFishwife · 08/12/2024 16:22

I remember being surprised at the time, at my deeply nondescript comprehensive, to read somewhere that the average level of attainment at 16 was a grade 4 CSE. Most pupils in standard classes would have taken around 8 of them. Some O level candidates would have sat more papers if they'd taken a couple a year early.
Anyway. 2 CSEs wasn't great, even then. But I suspect that's not really a surprise, OP.

Jumell · 08/12/2024 16:20

LBFseBrom · 08/12/2024 16:18

Two CSEs was poor (the whole idea of CSEs was pretty weird), but some kids didn't get any so he's two up on them. As long as he achieved something later, who cares.

If he enjoyed his school days and the boys were not too delinquent, I'd pay no attention. However a lot can change in the years since he left so don't judge fellow posters too much.

I'm an old biddy now but have seen the status of schools go up and down, then up again, in my lifetime. Parents can only choose based on the here and now.

He said the school was violent

but we’ve all experienced a bit of rough I’m sure !

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Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 08/12/2024 16:20

Ohthatsabitshit · 08/12/2024 16:03

There were CSEs, O levels, AO levels, A levels, and S levels.

I think the king has 3 CSEs?

The King also has a degree from Cambridge. (Yes, I know normal entry criteria didn't apply in his case.)

I'd forgotten about AO levels. At my school there was just AO Further Maths available for girls doing Science A levels but not Maths A level. (It was a girls' school - not saying the boys didn't have to do the AO level!)

No idea how CSEs were marked but I know A levels were marked quite differently from now (O levels too?). Nowadays I believe the grade boundaries are decided as actual marks in advance, so if a candidate gets (say) 80% or over they get an A star, 70-80% they get an A, etc etc. If the majority of candidates get over 80%, they all get an A star. The mark is awarded for reaching a certain level and says nothing about how everyone else did.

Decades ago what they decided in advance was what percentage of the candidates should get each grade. So if there was a subject with 6000 candidates and they'd decided that the top 10% would get an A, they'd rank all the marks in order and the top 600 got an A even if the actual marks were quite low (e.g. if it was a really tough paper). You were being graded on your performance relative to everyone else. An A was rare because that was how the system was designed.

youngestsister · 08/12/2024 16:20

Ohthatsabitshit · 08/12/2024 16:03

There were CSEs, O levels, AO levels, A levels, and S levels.

I think the king has 3 CSEs?

I think King Charles has two A Levels, and an Oxbridge degree

SoNiceToComeHomeTo · 08/12/2024 16:19

Jumell · 08/12/2024 16:16

I thought more course work went into a CSE - and they were more ‘practical’

CSEs were practical and perfectly respectable, but many children got more than 2 of them. The top grade was equivalent to the lowest O Level pass grade.

LBFseBrom · 08/12/2024 16:18

Two CSEs was poor (the whole idea of CSEs was pretty weird), but some kids didn't get any so he's two up on them. As long as he achieved something later, who cares.

If he enjoyed his school days and the boys were not too delinquent, I'd pay no attention. However a lot can change in the years since he left so don't judge fellow posters too much.

I'm an old biddy now but have seen the status of schools go up and down, then up again, in my lifetime. Parents can only choose based on the here and now.

SoNiceToComeHomeTo · 08/12/2024 16:17

Your DH left this school nearly 40 years ago so it has probably changed a bit!

Jumell · 08/12/2024 16:16

2025willbemytime · 08/12/2024 16:13

How do you not know that 2 CSEs is crap? 2 O levels wouldn't have been great either, nor would two GCSE which replaced both.

I thought more course work went into a CSE - and they were more ‘practical’

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Jumell · 08/12/2024 16:15

JingleB · 08/12/2024 16:05

His results were shit.

CSEs were for the lower achieving students. They typically took 7-10 of them. Scraping through school with 2 CSEs is basically failing pretty much everything.

Fair enough yea 7 he said

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MolkosTeenageAngst · 08/12/2024 16:14

In 40 years a school will have changed so much that it’s irrelevant what your ex got, even if the school was ranked top in the country in 1986 it could still be an awful school which only gets dire results now. Your ex’s results have no bearing on what kind of school it is now, although as it happens his results sound like they were below average for their time so maybe the reputation of the school hasn’t changed much.

2025willbemytime · 08/12/2024 16:13

How do you not know that 2 CSEs is crap? 2 O levels wouldn't have been great either, nor would two GCSE which replaced both.

MereDintofPandiculation · 08/12/2024 16:13

Two top grade CSEs in English and Maths - good. No, not good. Equivalent to mediocre GCSEs in English and Maths.

ViciousCurrentBun · 08/12/2024 16:11

The top 20% of children sat O levels, I got 7 O levels and DH got 10.

2 CSE was pretty dire, you would expect 5 and I’m pretty sure children generally sat 5 subjects.

x2boys · 08/12/2024 16:11

I have no idea wether your Ex,s school is a good school or not but given he left it nearly 40 years ago its bound ti be a different school now ti whst it was the. The teaching staff will all be different for a start.

DreadPirateRobots · 08/12/2024 16:10

I'm a bit boggled that you thought "two CSEs and no one stabbed him" was evidence against the school being shit. Even in the 80s, that was... not good. Better than "functionally illiterate", but not good.

JingleB · 08/12/2024 16:05

His results were shit.

CSEs were for the lower achieving students. They typically took 7-10 of them. Scraping through school with 2 CSEs is basically failing pretty much everything.

WingleWom · 08/12/2024 16:03

@Jumell I'm not trying to put him down. Qualifications aren't everything and perhaps he has had great success after school. It's not a measure I would judge him by.

I just don't think "2 CSEs and all of his limbs" is much of an advertisement for the school is all.

Ohthatsabitshit · 08/12/2024 16:03

There were CSEs, O levels, AO levels, A levels, and S levels.

I think the king has 3 CSEs?

TheDowagerCountessofPembroke · 08/12/2024 16:01

Somewhere 40 years ago is not going to be the same as today.

Saschka · 08/12/2024 16:01

Jumell · 08/12/2024 15:57

Well as I’ve had relationships surge men with 0 quals I thought that 2 CSEs were .. well ok ..

I have too and they were perfectly nice boys (we were all teenagers at the time, I was in 6th form, they were working). But I didn’t take their lack of qualifications to be evidence of what an amazing school they had been to Confused

OlderGlaswegianLivingInDevon · 08/12/2024 15:59

2 ? or did you mistype 12...

Fedupandstressed · 08/12/2024 15:59

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 08/12/2024 15:53

The old system of school exams in England (and I think Wales and NI too - different in Scotland) had two types of exams.

GCE stood for General Certificate of Education. There were two levels - O (Ordinary) and A (Advanced) Levels, taken at 16 and 18 respectively. Only a small minority of the school population took A levels. Most kids didn't take O levels either.

CSE - stood for Certificate of Secondary Education. The highest grade you could get in a CSE was equivalent to a bare pass in O level, IIRC. The idea was that they were more accessible and should prevent children leaving with nothing, as most did before then.

Two top grade CSEs in English and Maths - good.

Two bare passes in Woodwork and Needlework - not so great.

There were also Additional levels between O and A. This was in 1980.

I took my Maths and Biology a year early and then the Additionals the year when I turned 16.

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