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To feel hurt by MIL's condescending comments

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MumofMiniDivas · 08/12/2024 13:32

My husband comes from a much wealthier background than I do. His family takes five holidays a year, went to private schools, and bought each kid a large London property when they turned 25. I went to grammar school, had 1–2 holidays a year, and while my parents helped with a deposit, they didn’t buy me a house outright (and yes I am aware that this is actually quite a privileged position, I am by no means poor but just explaining the contrast).

DH works for the family business, which his mum technically owns but doesn’t really run anymore—she’s basically retired, travels a lot, and leaves it to DH and his siblings. His sisters help out part-time when it suits them (since they’re looking after young kids), but DH and his brother run it full-time.

He’s super careful about what he says to his mum—she’s “always right,” and he avoids any conflict with her. Apparently, that’s just how it’s always been. Part of me thinks it’s also because they’re all a bit financially dependent on her. If she ever cut them out of the will or the business, their lifestyle would take a big hit.

I work part-time and take care of our daughters, who are 4 and 1, and I’m pregnant with our son. Even if I worked full-time, what I’d earn wouldn’t compare to what DH makes or receives from his family. He covers all the main expenses, and my salary is just for personal things like clothes, dinners with friends, or trips to the hairdresser. At home, DH is lovely: he’s hands-on with the kids, helps with chores, and is super thoughtful when it’s just us.

The issue is his mum. She makes comments that aren’t directly rude but feel like digs. For example, she buys our daughters designer clothes and says things like, “Girls should always dress in expensive clothes—it sets the tone for their self-worth and taste,” while I’m standing there in my Zara jumper.

At a family gathering, when people joked about my daughter becoming a vet because she loves animals, MIL said, “That’s such a messy job. Do women even enjoy working? It’s just something you do for money. She’ll have everything she needs—no need to work, especially not a messy job.”

She can also be condescending. When she was talking about her travel plans, she mentioned going to a fancy restaurant with my SIL and added, “I suppose you’ve never been there?” When I said I had, she replied, “Oh, who took you there?”

DH doesn’t really address it, saying it’s just how she is, and bringing it up would cause a big falling out. He tells me to rise above it and not take it personally, but honestly, it’s hard not to when the comments feel so pointed.

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hazelnutvanillalatte · 08/12/2024 16:06

I would remember the quote 'Nobody can make you feel inferior without your consent.'

And just stay quiet and don't react when she says something rude. If you don't rise to the bait, or smile along, it will only make her look bad.

MJconfessions · 08/12/2024 16:05

To be honest I don’t think she sounds that bad, I think you need to weigh up the pros and cons here. To a certain extent I do think she sees you as an outsider but what you have posted isn’t particularly concerning. Having it out with her would likely destroy your lifestyle. Her family will certainly close rank, it’s a matriarch. I think you may find benefit in playing the game with her, she seems harmless. Only if it wasn’t harmless would I say to rock the boat.

I would personally see her as a caricature, a stereotype and a source of marvel and humour. I wouldn’t take her too seriously and frankly I’d love to hear her wealthy person observations and tidbits…if only to laugh later. Wanting her grandkids to be dressed in designer clothes only, and to only eat groceries from Waitrose is slightly hilarious.

It’s up to you what you can tolerate though.

hazelnutvanillalatte · 08/12/2024 16:04

ThatIsNotMyNameSoWhyAreYouCallingMeThat · 08/12/2024 14:05

Presumably this was evident a) before the wedding, b) before baby 1, c) before baby 2 etc.

This is what you chose to marry into.

Not sure what your point is. She shouldn't have married her husband or had children because her MIL is rude?

pikkumyy77 · 08/12/2024 16:04

Divorce him now. She will keep paying for your kids to go to private schools. You can start to build your career and buy your own property. But you won’t be at her beck and call.

Lemonadeand · 08/12/2024 16:03

I know for a fact MIL thinks I need to pay my way

This makes no sense. She doesn’t think women should work but also thinks you should pay your way?

Msmoonpie · 08/12/2024 16:03

Lemonadeand · 08/12/2024 16:02

If one of the children wants to run around the restaurant it's expected that I get up to run around them, and if DH attempts to "help out", MIL will start a conversation with him so he doesn't go or tell him he works hard so needs to rest.

My Granny has always treated my Mum like this (her DIL). We laugh about it.

DH and MIL wouldn't manage young kids without me, and often I'll sit in economy whilst they're in business / first.

That’s bloody outrageous. I wouldn’t be standing for that from DH.

I agree I would insist on a united front with DH. No way would I accept being excluded.

This would absolutely not be happening. I think you actually have a DH problem to an extent.

Msmoonpie · 08/12/2024 16:02

I would have to say something - perhaps along the lines of :

“Ofcourse some people enjoy working. Others even think of it as giving back to society”

DH also would not be accepting invitations that excluded me.

Lemonadeand · 08/12/2024 16:02

MumofMiniDivas · 08/12/2024 15:37

@thepariscrimefiles I do go on holiday with them, I can't say I always enjoy the holidays. Exclusive events I'm not invited to, or invited to 1 in every 10 if the originally invited person (eg SIL, MIL herself, DH's cousin...) gets ill and can no longer go.

On holidays I'm forever reminded that it's an absolute honour to be taken on the trip the way DH isn't. Almost something between a nanny and a daughter in law. If one of the children wants to run around the restaurant it's expected that I get up to run around them, and if DH attempts to "help out", MIL will start a conversation with him so he doesn't go or tell him he works hard so needs to rest (as if me working part time and looking after 2 children part time is the equivalent of resting all year round). She'll say things like "The spa is really good here, you [DH] and [SIL] should try it out whilst we're here" or when choosing wine she will consult her children but not me. Laundry service in the hotel - if there's a stain on DH's clothes or kids she will tell them to chuck it into the laundry service but on mine it'll be "hopefully that'll come off once you get home, any idea is chocolates comes off? I've never done my own hahahah so I'm useless with this". When it's the children's bedtime she will say bye bye to me but suggest further evening plans for DH and if he declines she's annoyed, so he never really declines. Of course I'm grateful to be offered wine and I'm lucky to be taken on holiday, but it's the treatment that I'm somehow less than, which isn't great. My plane tickets are bought by me from my earnings, but then it's not a choice because DH and MIL wouldn't manage young kids without me, and often I'll sit in economy whilst they're in business / first. One time DH said he will sit with me in economy and MIL was annoyed that he's chosen her over me and I'm "downgrading him", "what next, will you dress in H&M if she does".

If one of the children wants to run around the restaurant it's expected that I get up to run around them, and if DH attempts to "help out", MIL will start a conversation with him so he doesn't go or tell him he works hard so needs to rest.

My Granny has always treated my Mum like this (her DIL). We laugh about it.

DH and MIL wouldn't manage young kids without me, and often I'll sit in economy whilst they're in business / first.

That’s bloody outrageous. I wouldn’t be standing for that from DH.

MumofMiniDivas · 08/12/2024 16:01

pikkumyy77 · 08/12/2024 15:04

made clear the money isn’t to be spent on you?

What the fuck? I would bin him for going along with that. And I would go back to work full time. He will fuck you over in a divorce as he has no assets—all belong to mummy.

Yep... that's why it's all in MIL's name and that's how she justifies it to her kids "I'd rather you pay 40% inheritance tax than 70% to your spouse in a divorce"

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MumofMiniDivas · 08/12/2024 16:00

Cvn · 08/12/2024 14:59

That’s such a messy job. Do women even enjoy working? It’s just something you do for money. She’ll have everything she needs—no need to work, especially not a messy job.

What does she think of midwives I wonder? I'm asking for a friend, obviously, not sat here on a massive high on my lunch break, after a FANTASTIC but particularly bodily-fluids-heavy birth 😁

She sounds like a cow OP. I'd avoid her as much as possible, or give very neutral, factual responses, and enjoy spending her money 🤷🏼‍♀️

Any job is a job. Normal women are programmed by nature to want to be with their children (or find someone to make those children with) rather than work for someone else's benefit.

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MumofMiniDivas · 08/12/2024 15:59

@AnxietyLevelMax the money he earns wouldn't be enough to start buying me designer clothes, and it's heavily topped up by gifts from MIL, like his clothes, watches, paying for kids' school, getting him a new car etc which is how he lives a much more lavish lifestyle than I could. DH does share it with me in that he pays for all household expenses, food, nursery etc.
Part of it is what is said by DH or MIL and part of it is what I can read between the lines, but I know for a fact MIL thinks I need to pay my way. I don't think she'd be chuffed if she knew that DH pays whenever we go out for dinner as a couple or he pays the vast majority of our family holidays (because if we went 50/50 we'd never go out as a couple and holiday since my part time salary wouldn't stretch that far)

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Ilovelifeverymuch · 08/12/2024 15:58

Pipconkermash · 08/12/2024 15:56

I’d be so tempted to whisper in her ear when no one else was around “I can’t wait to piss all your money up the wall when you’re gone, it’ll be such fun.”

Hahahaha she will probably declare to her son that he must not spend a penny of his inheritance on her and given his past history of doing everything his mother says eg decide they don't need a cleaner because Mama said so, make his wife sit in economy while he sits in business class with dear mama, not spending any money on his wife while she is on maternity leave because Mama said so etc, I'm sure he will comply to the letter even after she is dead.

@MumofMiniDivas sorry but you are married to a very weak useless man who is committed to keeping his mother happy in exchange for money and expensive gifts. How do you even sleep with such a man? I would be so repulsed by his behaviour

Your posts are all about how your MIL is this and that but your issue is your husband not your MIL. What are you doing to make him stand up and defend you? Why does he get a pass?

Lemonadeand · 08/12/2024 15:58

She sounds like a bitch, but I do believe women who put other women down like that have to be insecure on some level.

It’s a shame because you never think of a good come back until two hours later, in my experience.

“Girls should always dress in expensive clothes—it sets the tone for their self-worth and taste,”

“My girls have innate self worth from knowing how unconditionally loved they are.”

I have a friend whose MIL is like this. You just have to make her into a cariacature in your head. Think about Miranda Hart’s mother in her sitcom. “This season’s laugh is based on Poker Face by Lady Ga-GA…” etc.

Pipconkermash · 08/12/2024 15:56

I’d be so tempted to whisper in her ear when no one else was around “I can’t wait to piss all your money up the wall when you’re gone, it’ll be such fun.”

pikkumyy77 · 08/12/2024 15:55

MumofMiniDivas · 08/12/2024 15:37

@thepariscrimefiles I do go on holiday with them, I can't say I always enjoy the holidays. Exclusive events I'm not invited to, or invited to 1 in every 10 if the originally invited person (eg SIL, MIL herself, DH's cousin...) gets ill and can no longer go.

On holidays I'm forever reminded that it's an absolute honour to be taken on the trip the way DH isn't. Almost something between a nanny and a daughter in law. If one of the children wants to run around the restaurant it's expected that I get up to run around them, and if DH attempts to "help out", MIL will start a conversation with him so he doesn't go or tell him he works hard so needs to rest (as if me working part time and looking after 2 children part time is the equivalent of resting all year round). She'll say things like "The spa is really good here, you [DH] and [SIL] should try it out whilst we're here" or when choosing wine she will consult her children but not me. Laundry service in the hotel - if there's a stain on DH's clothes or kids she will tell them to chuck it into the laundry service but on mine it'll be "hopefully that'll come off once you get home, any idea is chocolates comes off? I've never done my own hahahah so I'm useless with this". When it's the children's bedtime she will say bye bye to me but suggest further evening plans for DH and if he declines she's annoyed, so he never really declines. Of course I'm grateful to be offered wine and I'm lucky to be taken on holiday, but it's the treatment that I'm somehow less than, which isn't great. My plane tickets are bought by me from my earnings, but then it's not a choice because DH and MIL wouldn't manage young kids without me, and often I'll sit in economy whilst they're in business / first. One time DH said he will sit with me in economy and MIL was annoyed that he's chosen her over me and I'm "downgrading him", "what next, will you dress in H&M if she does".

This can not be real. Not that ruch families don’t do this but that you would accept this treatment? No. Absolutely no.

GanninHyem · 08/12/2024 15:55

MIL comments aside, your husband sounds the most pathetic, limp lettuce ever. He's allowing his wife to be treated this way because he values fancy things more. Christ how can you even look at him.

neverhadnooneever · 08/12/2024 15:52

MumofMiniDivas · 08/12/2024 15:38

@neverhadnooneever

  • married someone who built a successful business

He didn't build his successful business on him own though did he?

MumofMiniDivas · 08/12/2024 15:52

@RubicsQuandary that sounds horrific!!! No, DH was never physically abused but I think there was a lot of manipulating with finances

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MumofMiniDivas · 08/12/2024 15:50

@MounjaroUser

That is really nasty. Does he pull her up on that?
No, he doesn't always enjoy the events, but enjoys seeing his family (I think?). In all honesty, if I was invited every time I wouldn't want to go every time as I don't want to leave my children too often and I'd prioritise dinners out with DH or going to see my friends. But it's generally polite to invite someone's spouse if you invite that someone.

What's her own relationship with her MIL like?
I'm not 100% sure.

Who started the business? Did she ever play an active role in growing it?
FIL started the business after marrying MIL. She didn't play an active role in growing it, but she co-managed it with her sons for a short while when FIL passed away.

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thepariscrimefiles · 08/12/2024 15:48

MumofMiniDivas · 08/12/2024 15:37

@thepariscrimefiles I do go on holiday with them, I can't say I always enjoy the holidays. Exclusive events I'm not invited to, or invited to 1 in every 10 if the originally invited person (eg SIL, MIL herself, DH's cousin...) gets ill and can no longer go.

On holidays I'm forever reminded that it's an absolute honour to be taken on the trip the way DH isn't. Almost something between a nanny and a daughter in law. If one of the children wants to run around the restaurant it's expected that I get up to run around them, and if DH attempts to "help out", MIL will start a conversation with him so he doesn't go or tell him he works hard so needs to rest (as if me working part time and looking after 2 children part time is the equivalent of resting all year round). She'll say things like "The spa is really good here, you [DH] and [SIL] should try it out whilst we're here" or when choosing wine she will consult her children but not me. Laundry service in the hotel - if there's a stain on DH's clothes or kids she will tell them to chuck it into the laundry service but on mine it'll be "hopefully that'll come off once you get home, any idea is chocolates comes off? I've never done my own hahahah so I'm useless with this". When it's the children's bedtime she will say bye bye to me but suggest further evening plans for DH and if he declines she's annoyed, so he never really declines. Of course I'm grateful to be offered wine and I'm lucky to be taken on holiday, but it's the treatment that I'm somehow less than, which isn't great. My plane tickets are bought by me from my earnings, but then it's not a choice because DH and MIL wouldn't manage young kids without me, and often I'll sit in economy whilst they're in business / first. One time DH said he will sit with me in economy and MIL was annoyed that he's chosen her over me and I'm "downgrading him", "what next, will you dress in H&M if she does".

OMG, you sound like Cinderella! I would prefer to not go on holiday and keep the kids at home with me.

I can't believe that your MIL and DH sit in business/first class while you and the children are in economy. Your DH should be embarassed and ashamed to not only allow his mum to treat you like that but to collude in it and agree to leave you and the kids in economy or for you to always babysit the children when they go to bed while he goes along with MIL's evening plans on holiday.

Gardendiary · 08/12/2024 15:47

Honestly, this just gets worse and worse, you're putting up with loads of shit from her and not even getting the benefit it would seem.

MumofMiniDivas · 08/12/2024 15:46

@ThatTealViewer she has some well off friends but she considers them not THAT well off, because her scale of being well off is quite rare. And also... maybe it's just my opinion... I think people aren't "friends" with her unless they need something from her because she isn't exactly nice to be around and looks down on everyone.

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Shinyandnew1 · 08/12/2024 15:45

MumofMiniDivas · 08/12/2024 15:38

@neverhadnooneever

  • married someone who built a successful business

Who did? Your mother in law or sister in laws?

Ilovelifeverymuch · 08/12/2024 15:44

MumofMiniDivas · 08/12/2024 14:51

@Shinyandnew1 I didn't marry him for the wealth, in fact for the first year there wasn't really much indication of how rich his family is. I met him when we were both young, at uni, he didn't say a huge amount about family, he flat shared (because he wanted "the uni experience"), yes he dressed well but could in theory be wearing what he wore if he was from a well off family but not crazy rich. Afterwards, even when there were clues as to the fact his family has money in the form of me seeing his family house etc, it wasn't spent on "us" as such (which is and was fine, I married him so clearly wasn't bothered) - we didn't go to particularly expensive restaurants, our holidays were 50/50 and very much on a modest budget.

Even now, it's been made clear that the money isn't to be spent on me. The engagement ring is nothing fancy (probably worth less than an average item of clothing in his wardrobe), for the brief period when I was a SAHM and why I went back to work it was made clear to DH that if I'm not working he's not to pay for any of my clothes / products / give me money for seeing friends etc. So yes my children's clothes are paid for, I live in a nice house but if my aim was to be with someone for the financial benefits then really DH is not the choice to go for!

You obviously have a huge DH problem. You have a DH who is willing to be controlled by his mother in exchange for money and expensive gifts.

Your options are to ignore the comments if you don't want a change to your lifestyle. You live in a house she paid for so you don't pay any rent or mortgage, your kids have their private school tuition paid for etc, or you decide the benefits are not worth the insult and you push back and respond to her in kind. Or you walk away from the marriage which will also result in a change in lifestyle.

If you're not willing to put up with a change in lifestyle then just ignore her and take it as the price until she passes away.

I would not respect a man who goes along with his mother's wishes that he must not spend money on his wife because she is not working while on maternity leave, he sounds like a weak simp with no backbone desperately trying to please mama for money. A very unattractive trait but you seem to be willing to go along with it for the monetary benefits.

MumofMiniDivas · 08/12/2024 15:43

YellowDaffodilRedTulip · 08/12/2024 14:37

The irony of grammar school, 1-2holidays a year, house deposit, doing a vet degree and Zara jumper.

Yep... not poor! But poor to her.

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