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To feel hurt by MIL's condescending comments

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MumofMiniDivas · 08/12/2024 13:32

My husband comes from a much wealthier background than I do. His family takes five holidays a year, went to private schools, and bought each kid a large London property when they turned 25. I went to grammar school, had 1–2 holidays a year, and while my parents helped with a deposit, they didn’t buy me a house outright (and yes I am aware that this is actually quite a privileged position, I am by no means poor but just explaining the contrast).

DH works for the family business, which his mum technically owns but doesn’t really run anymore—she’s basically retired, travels a lot, and leaves it to DH and his siblings. His sisters help out part-time when it suits them (since they’re looking after young kids), but DH and his brother run it full-time.

He’s super careful about what he says to his mum—she’s “always right,” and he avoids any conflict with her. Apparently, that’s just how it’s always been. Part of me thinks it’s also because they’re all a bit financially dependent on her. If she ever cut them out of the will or the business, their lifestyle would take a big hit.

I work part-time and take care of our daughters, who are 4 and 1, and I’m pregnant with our son. Even if I worked full-time, what I’d earn wouldn’t compare to what DH makes or receives from his family. He covers all the main expenses, and my salary is just for personal things like clothes, dinners with friends, or trips to the hairdresser. At home, DH is lovely: he’s hands-on with the kids, helps with chores, and is super thoughtful when it’s just us.

The issue is his mum. She makes comments that aren’t directly rude but feel like digs. For example, she buys our daughters designer clothes and says things like, “Girls should always dress in expensive clothes—it sets the tone for their self-worth and taste,” while I’m standing there in my Zara jumper.

At a family gathering, when people joked about my daughter becoming a vet because she loves animals, MIL said, “That’s such a messy job. Do women even enjoy working? It’s just something you do for money. She’ll have everything she needs—no need to work, especially not a messy job.”

She can also be condescending. When she was talking about her travel plans, she mentioned going to a fancy restaurant with my SIL and added, “I suppose you’ve never been there?” When I said I had, she replied, “Oh, who took you there?”

DH doesn’t really address it, saying it’s just how she is, and bringing it up would cause a big falling out. He tells me to rise above it and not take it personally, but honestly, it’s hard not to when the comments feel so pointed.

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LoudSnoringDog · 08/12/2024 16:28

She sounds like a shallow, vacuous old hag

MJMJMJMJ · 08/12/2024 16:27

The house and all assets are in MIL name or your DH’s?

Financial incest is abusive and harmful.

Shinyandnew1 · 08/12/2024 16:27

@MumofMiniDivas did you answer, when you go on family holidays and your MIL and DH travel first class and you are in economy,

  1. where are your children?
  2. where are your husbands sisters?
  3. where are their children?
  4. where are their husbands?
MumofMiniDivas · 08/12/2024 16:26

@pikkumyy77 I do have a house, as mentioned in OP I bought one and my parents helped with a deposit before I met my DH. I rent it out and the rental income goes into my savings. The income from my current job is for my current wants like hairdressers, clothes, seeing friends, coffee, Xmas gifts for my parents etc

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EuclidianGeometryFan · 08/12/2024 16:25

OP - you keep posting with more tales of what MIL does, what MIL is like. I understand you need to vent, but are you taking on board any of the advice or questions?

What about your DH?
How did you learn that he was told not to spend money on you?
What is his reaction when MIL is so unkind to you in front of him?

What are you going to do about this?
Two choices: put up with it, or divorce.

You cannot change MIL and you cannot change DH.
All you can do is change your own response.

MounjaroUser · 08/12/2024 16:24

But how would his mother even know if he bought you a new dress?

MumofMiniDivas · 08/12/2024 16:24

@thepariscrimefiles I'm assuming, if I don't work and I'm regularly going out for dinners with a friend (which she could in theory hear from DH if I'm out and he's home looking after kids, or a picture on the internet somewhere) or if spots I've dyed my hair, then she could reliably assume it's DH paying.

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Gardendiary · 08/12/2024 16:24

MumofMiniDivas · 08/12/2024 16:22

In the short period I was a SAHM he of course provided everything like food, transport, household items, bills. It's just extras like new clothes or wanting a dinner with a friend, I'd need to work for if I want them. I don't know if that would have changed after I was a SAHM for longer but I didn't feel comfortable in case that didn't and preferred to get a job. I can't imagine he'd ever be "allowed" to get me clothes like he has, but I also can't say I'm desperate for a Moncler coat as opposed to my Uniqlo one.

This is still horribly mean when the reason you didn’t have an income was because you were looking after his children.

MounjaroUser · 08/12/2024 16:24

I went back to work it was made clear to DH that if I'm not working he's not to pay for any of my clothes / products / give me money for seeing friends etc

What on earth?!

What does he say to this? I've never heard anything like this before.

MumofMiniDivas · 08/12/2024 16:22

Margot2020 · 08/12/2024 15:08

I disagree @adriftinadenofvipers - unless I’ve misunderstood the last post, she was a SAHM looking after their children and he refused access to money because mummy told him so. Financial abuse IMO

In the short period I was a SAHM he of course provided everything like food, transport, household items, bills. It's just extras like new clothes or wanting a dinner with a friend, I'd need to work for if I want them. I don't know if that would have changed after I was a SAHM for longer but I didn't feel comfortable in case that didn't and preferred to get a job. I can't imagine he'd ever be "allowed" to get me clothes like he has, but I also can't say I'm desperate for a Moncler coat as opposed to my Uniqlo one.

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headhonchoponcho · 08/12/2024 16:21

pikkumyy77 · 08/12/2024 13:45

First post nails it. Your dh and you need to be careful. Your MIL can and will punish both if you by withdrawing money or status (from DH). He works for her and has zero power in the relationship. And she gets gratification and power from controlling her sons and their families. As she gets older, physically weaker, or bored socially she will take it out on you all and try to “split” the brothers and play them off against each other or split the wives snd play SIL off against you.

I agree with this.

See it as a trap.

She needs to agitate, confuse and control.

She wants a reaction. Dont give her anything (direct info, any emotion, words to others) - she will twist and turn everything into bullets to shoot you with.

Know that she is targeting you as the scapegoat in the family to project and discharge her narcissictic traits.

As PP have said get ahead of her method with the grey rock technique. Make yourself "dull, small, invisible" to her life so she has no purchase to dig in.

Know that you are winning. This might get worse as she loses pupose being retired butwill wiedl power by being devisive around money, wills, heirarchy.

Keep your distance emotionally and physically. Be polite, dignified and unruffled when in her company.

Know its a trap that she is desperate for you to react and lock horns so that she can turn on the histrionics.

Muymit · 08/12/2024 16:20

To be honest it just sounds a bit annoying rather than toxic and I'd be grateful you can have such a pleasant, easy, secure lifestyle for free.
Worth the trade for a few jibes.

Whohasnickedthesellotape · 08/12/2024 16:19

You have a DH problem, not a MIL one, because he lets her continue to treat you like that. What happens when your DC pick up on it and also treat you like "the help"?

Shinyandnew1 · 08/12/2024 16:19

I don't think she'd be chuffed if she knew that DH pays whenever we go out for dinner as a couple or he pays the vast majority of our family holidays

Did your mother in law pay 50/50 for dinners and family holidays when her husband was alive and her children were smaller?

MumofMiniDivas · 08/12/2024 16:17

Doliveira · 08/12/2024 15:06

You will be around, OP, long after she’s gone. She’s the Old School and you’re the New. You ultimately matter more than her, so let her squeak and try not to let it hurt you. I think it does you great credit that you feel hurt rather than disparaging or agressive, it implies you want love rather than status. I don’t know if she’s affectionate to you at all, or if you are affectionate to her. She’s a product of her training, and may not have any self awareness or ability to think outside her box. Is she an ice queen or would she melt if you were tender to her this Christmas? It could well be that trying to crack her shell would be an even more disappointing interaction for you.

Very much an ice queen... last year I spent AGES with DD1 making a cute 3D card that DD enjoyed making and would have been a cute present for MIL, as I thought it'd be sweet , DD enjoys crafts and I wanted her to feel proud of something she'd made. (Remember I also had a baby at this point).

MIL was very ott grateful to DD (as you do with a toddler: oh my goodness, that's so lovely, thank you so much, did you really make that? You're so clever) but didn't even mention it to me or bother saying thanks.

Over the years any time I've done something sweet she'd ignore it, gifts I've given her she regifts and treats as it can't be something nice because it's from me.

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TheMILinatorReturns · 08/12/2024 16:16

pikkumyy77 · 08/12/2024 15:04

made clear the money isn’t to be spent on you?

What the fuck? I would bin him for going along with that. And I would go back to work full time. He will fuck you over in a divorce as he has no assets—all belong to mummy.

These were exactly my thoughts too. If he leaves you, you will likely be up the creek without a paddle. And with three kids and no real career. So now he has you by the short and curlies and she has him by the short and curlies. Basically means you both have to be super nice to the horrible bullying power crazed MIL and suck it all up. If you want to stay in the relationship and he wants to continue hanging off mummy dearest teets then you need to find some way of not letting it bother you. I'd seriously think about providing for you and the kids in the future in case this highly unstable arrangement hits the fan if you decide to stay! Your DH obviously good at compartmentalizing already...MIL clearly doesn't like you and enjoys trying to drive a wedge between you and DH. And he seems to be fine with it, long as mummy brings the £££££££. A very money orientated family. I would not enjoy this, and if this is what you have to be like to be rich then no thank you.

Lemonadeand · 08/12/2024 16:14

MumofMiniDivas · 08/12/2024 14:39

Tbh not really. Pre marriage she was a bit dismissive in that she didn't want to socialise a huge amount whereas my parents were always keen to have us over for dinner, if we went to stay for a few days we'd plan days out altogether whereas at his house we'd bump into his mum at maybe breakfast then dinner but otherwise she'd do her thing and we'd do ours. He explained that she just likes her space and doesn't want to hang out with us 24/7 - fair enough, people are different even if it did come across a little cold. No digs or mean comments.

This is very much the case for friends who have married into these kind of families (old money). They basically ignore the girlfriends and you don’t integrate at all until you marry into the family. So I well believe this could have been the case.

LOpportunityCestFuckingEnorme · 08/12/2024 16:11

Do you have a relationship with the other people who have married into this shitshow? Your BIL sounds like he's experiencing the same ostracising that you have.

Personally it all sounds like it's going to go horribly wrong when the level of control MIl currently has becomes insufficient for her. When one of her DC gets divorced, or comes to their senses and pushes back, or the grandchildren grow up and point out how bonkers it is, or she gets ill or senile.

Shinyandnew1 · 08/12/2024 16:11

often I'll sit in economy whilst they're in business/first

Are you sitting with the children in economy? Is she happy about her grandchildren flying economy? Where are her daughters/daughter in laws/son in laws sitting when you go on family holidays?

Some of this doesn’t add up-she doesn’t think women should pay for things or work, but wants you to do so?

She thinks you should work to pay your way and your husband shouldn’t pay for things for you, but it was fine for her husband to start a business and pay for things for her?

Do her daughters or daughters in law work? Who pays for their clothes and days out? What about her daughter’s husbands?

CatherinedeBourgh · 08/12/2024 16:09

I have met a large number of people like this (par for the course in the milieu I was brought up in, tbh).

Anything you do in reaction to her digs will give her the enormous satisfaction of confirming her in her beliefs that you are uppity and common. The most frustrating thing for her is if you treat her with mildly bemused indulgence. At some level, she knows that she is worthless and is trying to make other women smaller to make herself feel bigger. If you communicate that you are anything other than completely confident and secure in your own choices and position, she will pounce on it like a cat and escalate it to the nth degree, as that will give her validation that she is superior.

No one can make you feel inferior without your consent. Withhold it.

TheBiggestMuffInCheshire · 08/12/2024 16:08

Renamed · 08/12/2024 14:04

Or howl with laughter, slap her on the back and say “that’s such a good one Mary. We’re like chalk and cheese eh? Good job my snuggly bunny loves cheese” with a big wink at DH. Should shut them both up for a bit.

Fabulous.

wizzywig · 08/12/2024 16:08

I bet she has her will sewn up nicely

hazelnutvanillalatte · 08/12/2024 16:08

@MJconfessions this is a really good suggestion actually. I have a flamboyant relation-through-marriage who is constantly saying the most shockingly rude and insulting things. (ETA we barely see them so it makes no sense to react to it) It helps to just pretend you're in The Office and internally grimace for the cameras, but roll with the punches.

ThisIsSockward · 08/12/2024 16:07

I'd do my best to ignore her (while making sure your children don't absorb her attitudes), but would privately be looking forward to a time when she's no longer around to needle you. That sounds nasty, I know, but what else can she expect when she's so unpleasant?

AelinAG · 08/12/2024 16:06

Unless you and your husband (because you did marry into this and presumably knew what you were getting into, so it would have to be a joint decision) want to drastically change your lifestyle, put up and shut up.

Many, many people would kill for what you’ve got, and passive aggressive comments won’t actually do you any harm, so I think this is the definition of a first world problem.

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