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To feel hurt by MIL's condescending comments

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MumofMiniDivas · 08/12/2024 13:32

My husband comes from a much wealthier background than I do. His family takes five holidays a year, went to private schools, and bought each kid a large London property when they turned 25. I went to grammar school, had 1–2 holidays a year, and while my parents helped with a deposit, they didn’t buy me a house outright (and yes I am aware that this is actually quite a privileged position, I am by no means poor but just explaining the contrast).

DH works for the family business, which his mum technically owns but doesn’t really run anymore—she’s basically retired, travels a lot, and leaves it to DH and his siblings. His sisters help out part-time when it suits them (since they’re looking after young kids), but DH and his brother run it full-time.

He’s super careful about what he says to his mum—she’s “always right,” and he avoids any conflict with her. Apparently, that’s just how it’s always been. Part of me thinks it’s also because they’re all a bit financially dependent on her. If she ever cut them out of the will or the business, their lifestyle would take a big hit.

I work part-time and take care of our daughters, who are 4 and 1, and I’m pregnant with our son. Even if I worked full-time, what I’d earn wouldn’t compare to what DH makes or receives from his family. He covers all the main expenses, and my salary is just for personal things like clothes, dinners with friends, or trips to the hairdresser. At home, DH is lovely: he’s hands-on with the kids, helps with chores, and is super thoughtful when it’s just us.

The issue is his mum. She makes comments that aren’t directly rude but feel like digs. For example, she buys our daughters designer clothes and says things like, “Girls should always dress in expensive clothes—it sets the tone for their self-worth and taste,” while I’m standing there in my Zara jumper.

At a family gathering, when people joked about my daughter becoming a vet because she loves animals, MIL said, “That’s such a messy job. Do women even enjoy working? It’s just something you do for money. She’ll have everything she needs—no need to work, especially not a messy job.”

She can also be condescending. When she was talking about her travel plans, she mentioned going to a fancy restaurant with my SIL and added, “I suppose you’ve never been there?” When I said I had, she replied, “Oh, who took you there?”

DH doesn’t really address it, saying it’s just how she is, and bringing it up would cause a big falling out. He tells me to rise above it and not take it personally, but honestly, it’s hard not to when the comments feel so pointed.

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aloris · 08/12/2024 18:32

When people have written here to say how awful they think is your treatment by your MIL, and that it's shocking your husband allows it, you seem to be kind of shrugging your shoulders and implying it's a little unpleasant but not a very big deal to you. But at the same time, YOU are the one who started this thread because you are unhappy enough about the way your MIL treats you, that you want it to change. Your MIL's condescension is making your life unhappy, otherwise you wouldn't have started this thread.

Given this, I think you are really downplaying your husband's role in this situation. HE is the one who is allowing his mother to control his personal spending from his own salary, so that he can't even buy his wife a nice gift (I mean, WTF?????!?!) . HE is the one who is choosing not to stand up for you. HE is the one who is allowing his mother to make his wife unhappy by saying frankly very rude things to/about his wife in his presence. HE is the one who flies business class and leaves his wife in economy. HE is the one who expects his wife to spend her vacations pretending to be a lesser person. HE allows his wife to be treated like a lesser person IN FRONT OF HER OWN CHILDREN. (I would find that last one unforgiveable but that's just me).

Life is short. While your narcissistic MIL is stroking her own ego, you are unhappy. Your husband is making his wife's years unhappy because he is too much of a coward to stand up to his mother, or because he likes his fancy lifestyle more than he loves his wife, or for some other reason.

Your husband's behavior nauseates me.

AndThereSheGoes · 08/12/2024 18:31

Clearly she's not a nice person. Jealous her son loves you and is putting you in your place?

However you get what you settle for. Your DH has enough money and you both have enough material stuff ( including homes) to not work for the family. He could find his own job and support his new family.
The fact he chooses not to says a lot.

XWKD · 08/12/2024 18:17

Her level of snobbery sounds like she's trying to cover up something. Is she from a well-off background? Is she trying to compensate because she feels her own background is "inferior"?

WaylandNewt · 08/12/2024 18:15

ll be honest i wish i could retire now, especially after being shafted by current/previous employer

allthatfalafel · 08/12/2024 18:05

I'm in a similar situation but actually I look down on her because she didn't start the business and she couldn't have grown it, she just swanned in after everyone else had done the hard work and was effectively a very overpaid employee doing average employee work, just had a lot more of a say and influence. And now her kids are doing all the tasks and parts of running a business she could never have managed. So I just nod and smile, because yes she's played a good game but she's not actually earned it the way other people have had to, and she's obviously insecure underneath.

Ggmores · 08/12/2024 18:01

Just say ‘OK’ with a smile! Whenever she says anything, ‘I think women shouldn’t work and wear pretty dresses all the time’ - OK! Then ignore or change the subject.

pizzaHeart · 08/12/2024 18:00

Jellyslothbridge · 08/12/2024 17:53

I think the answer is to minimise time with mil.
I am struggling with the plane situation for holidays. I certainly would leave the children to be cared for by DH.

I would leave DH and not just for the holiday but forever.

kinsey681 · 08/12/2024 17:58

MumofMiniDivas · 08/12/2024 13:32

My husband comes from a much wealthier background than I do. His family takes five holidays a year, went to private schools, and bought each kid a large London property when they turned 25. I went to grammar school, had 1–2 holidays a year, and while my parents helped with a deposit, they didn’t buy me a house outright (and yes I am aware that this is actually quite a privileged position, I am by no means poor but just explaining the contrast).

DH works for the family business, which his mum technically owns but doesn’t really run anymore—she’s basically retired, travels a lot, and leaves it to DH and his siblings. His sisters help out part-time when it suits them (since they’re looking after young kids), but DH and his brother run it full-time.

He’s super careful about what he says to his mum—she’s “always right,” and he avoids any conflict with her. Apparently, that’s just how it’s always been. Part of me thinks it’s also because they’re all a bit financially dependent on her. If she ever cut them out of the will or the business, their lifestyle would take a big hit.

I work part-time and take care of our daughters, who are 4 and 1, and I’m pregnant with our son. Even if I worked full-time, what I’d earn wouldn’t compare to what DH makes or receives from his family. He covers all the main expenses, and my salary is just for personal things like clothes, dinners with friends, or trips to the hairdresser. At home, DH is lovely: he’s hands-on with the kids, helps with chores, and is super thoughtful when it’s just us.

The issue is his mum. She makes comments that aren’t directly rude but feel like digs. For example, she buys our daughters designer clothes and says things like, “Girls should always dress in expensive clothes—it sets the tone for their self-worth and taste,” while I’m standing there in my Zara jumper.

At a family gathering, when people joked about my daughter becoming a vet because she loves animals, MIL said, “That’s such a messy job. Do women even enjoy working? It’s just something you do for money. She’ll have everything she needs—no need to work, especially not a messy job.”

She can also be condescending. When she was talking about her travel plans, she mentioned going to a fancy restaurant with my SIL and added, “I suppose you’ve never been there?” When I said I had, she replied, “Oh, who took you there?”

DH doesn’t really address it, saying it’s just how she is, and bringing it up would cause a big falling out. He tells me to rise above it and not take it personally, but honestly, it’s hard not to when the comments feel so pointed.

My DH's mum was never a fan of me. We just never visited much and we didn't lived nearby anyway. I'd say try to distance yourself if you can. Your daughters can visit her but you don't have to.

She just sounds like a typical MIL. Ask DH to put her in her place, what's he afraid of? Other than the will....

Jellyslothbridge · 08/12/2024 17:53

I think the answer is to minimise time with mil.
I am struggling with the plane situation for holidays. I certainly would leave the children to be cared for by DH.

Shinyandnew1 · 08/12/2024 17:47

pikkumyy77 · 08/12/2024 17:39

Just say “I can’t afford it” snd mean it. You don’t have to go to be his meat shield and the children’s nanny. Stop. Don’t have an argument. Just say “I can’t afford it. Either pay for me as your fucking equal or I stay home.” Let him experience the consequences of this treatment. You aren’t his emotional support monkey.

This.

If you were a SAHM, with no income at all, would they expect you not to come on their family holidays as you couldn’t buy your economy plane ticket?

pizzaHeart · 08/12/2024 17:45

MumofMiniDivas · 08/12/2024 15:43

@pizzaHeart we had a cleaner for a short while after DD2 was born and, when MIL came over and saw this, she questioned why we have a cleaner when I only work part time. Then DH increasingly started saying that oh we don't need a cleaner, he'd do more to help out. I had a newborn, freshly postpartum and recovering from a not so straightforward birth and a toddler in her very clingy stage. DH did do more to help out. I generally get the vibe that MIL feels I shouldn't get these "luxuries" because I haven't earned them. On the one hand there's comments suggesting my work is an inconvenience - why must we pay for nursery rather than me looking after the children, at the same time I need to pay my way and contribute.

(My job isn't a fun career, I'm an accountant so really not doing it for the enjoyment and it's not a hobby-career)

I haven’t read all your updates before my first comment but now I’ve read them and I’m really cross on your behalf. Your DH is really letting you down here. Your Mil is total bitch and he is not standing up for you.

pikkumyy77 · 08/12/2024 17:39

MumofMiniDivas · 08/12/2024 17:11

Because when I've refused to go it causes a giant argument between DH and I, he is stressed making excuses to his mum. If he was to genuinely say it's me not wanting to go he'd get told that I'm a horrible person driving a wedge between his family and him, and he'd find life harder because all of a sudden MIL wants to see a lot of our kids and him but I'm not invited, it would be awkward and horrible for DH a lot more than for me.

Just say “I can’t afford it” snd mean it. You don’t have to go to be his meat shield and the children’s nanny. Stop. Don’t have an argument. Just say “I can’t afford it. Either pay for me as your fucking equal or I stay home.” Let him experience the consequences of this treatment. You aren’t his emotional support monkey.

Brombat · 08/12/2024 17:35

I would give this lots of time.

I have a difficult Mil who looks down on me. She's now pretty old and suffering dementia, wittering on about blood relatives, etc.

Your DH is nice to you, so yeah, I would suck it up and play "putdown" bingo.

It's a shame he's not objective, so he could join in as it does help to have support in these mental situations. But time fixes most things...

Shinyandnew1 · 08/12/2024 17:34

Do you go on holiday with your parents, @MumofMiniDivas ?

Do they treat your husband differently?

thepariscrimefiles · 08/12/2024 17:32

MumofMiniDivas · 08/12/2024 17:20

@thepariscrimefiles
What do your parents think about how you are treated? Do they know that your DH never sticks up for you?

My parents and DH have a really lovely relationship. He's kind, considerate to them, he wants them involved with our children, he actually seems a lot more relaxed around my parents than MIL. My parents also really like him, he's always welcome at our family house... I don't see what good it would be to complain to them about DH or MIL. They know I'm not the biggest fan of MIL but not all the details. I don't see the point of complaining to parents if you plan to be married to DH - you might forget the argument or move on but parents don't.

This is more than talking to your parents about a single argument. This is about the completely disrespectful way you are treated by your MIL and by your DH because he never ever challenges his mum.

He should feel so guilty about the lovely way your parents treat him and welcome him to their home, in contrast to your treatment by his mum.

The image of your sitting in Economy but having to keep rushing up to first/business class whenever your children need anything, like a paid member of staff, is appalling.

I would find it unforgiveable if I found out that my daughter was being treated like you are by her MIL, and, by his failure to challenge this behaviour, by her DH.

Mirabai · 08/12/2024 17:32

Girls should always dress in expensive clothes—it sets the tone for their self-worth and taste,”

My response: “So true darling - a million dollars in Maxmara - a dime in Zara.”

pikkumyy77 · 08/12/2024 17:31

Oh: look up Boarding School Syndrome. This explains a lot of how infantile snd unassertive your dh is. I see why you pity him too much to abandon him. And why you basically expect nothing from him when he is near his mother.

Mirabai · 08/12/2024 17:29

My line would be to make a joke out of the whole thing. Not take it seriously.

MoodyMargaret11 · 08/12/2024 17:29

MumofMiniDivas · 08/12/2024 14:51

@Shinyandnew1 I didn't marry him for the wealth, in fact for the first year there wasn't really much indication of how rich his family is. I met him when we were both young, at uni, he didn't say a huge amount about family, he flat shared (because he wanted "the uni experience"), yes he dressed well but could in theory be wearing what he wore if he was from a well off family but not crazy rich. Afterwards, even when there were clues as to the fact his family has money in the form of me seeing his family house etc, it wasn't spent on "us" as such (which is and was fine, I married him so clearly wasn't bothered) - we didn't go to particularly expensive restaurants, our holidays were 50/50 and very much on a modest budget.

Even now, it's been made clear that the money isn't to be spent on me. The engagement ring is nothing fancy (probably worth less than an average item of clothing in his wardrobe), for the brief period when I was a SAHM and why I went back to work it was made clear to DH that if I'm not working he's not to pay for any of my clothes / products / give me money for seeing friends etc. So yes my children's clothes are paid for, I live in a nice house but if my aim was to be with someone for the financial benefits then really DH is not the choice to go for!

So he's got his own income (albeit from mummy's business) but he's still "told" what to spend it on and "forbidden" to spend on you?
Batshit. What kind of a man is your DH to be ok with this really ??
Sorry but I couldn't live like this or respect a puppet-husband, who wouldn't make a stand or have a higher set of values. Not to mention raising children in such a family - no way. You can do your grey rocking all day long, but if you say and do nothing about this, your children will continue absorbing influence from both your MIL and DH.

MJMJMJMJ · 08/12/2024 17:28

MumofMiniDivas · 08/12/2024 17:11

Because when I've refused to go it causes a giant argument between DH and I, he is stressed making excuses to his mum. If he was to genuinely say it's me not wanting to go he'd get told that I'm a horrible person driving a wedge between his family and him, and he'd find life harder because all of a sudden MIL wants to see a lot of our kids and him but I'm not invited, it would be awkward and horrible for DH a lot more than for me.

This sounds like she enjoys torturing you and watching your DH squirm at the same time.

You must feel like you are losing your mind sometimes when you are treated like a non entity by your MIL and DH in MIL’s company. It is duplicitous of your DH to act like this.

MIL could live to a 100 and you would be in your 70’s and still living under this regime. It is heartbreaking.

Shinyandnew1 · 08/12/2024 17:28

What would happen if you and your DH formed a united front and he told her that he wasn't happy with your being treated as a second class citizen in front of your own children?

This.

My parents also really like him, he's always welcome at our family house...I don't see what good it would be to complain to them about DH or MIL. They know I'm not the biggest fan of MIL but not all the details.

Have you never told them or your friends that you have to sit in economy class whilst the rest of the family sit in business?

Your children will start telling people-family, friends, teachers…

AngelinaFibres · 08/12/2024 17:27

You have made your very soft and expensive bed Op and now you must lie in it. I should just shut up enjoy the good bits....or call her out, fall out and accept the drastic drop in lifestyle. You sold your soul when you married him.

jollygoose · 08/12/2024 17:27

Personally I don't think it's a bad problem to have. You are financially very comfortable largely due to her. If I were you I would grin and bear it.

LivinInYourBigGlassHouseWithAView · 08/12/2024 17:27

I would get this thread deleted. Imagine it's rather identifying.

Your DH will not rock the boat, so you need to just smile and nod and ignore.

MumofMiniDivas · 08/12/2024 17:25

@neverhadnooneever my husband was largely brought up by nannies and boarding school, so in that sense I'm contributing more to the success than she ever did (by raising DH's kids whilst he works).
She says herself she did not contribute to the business itself and knew very little about it.

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