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To feel hurt by MIL's condescending comments

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MumofMiniDivas · 08/12/2024 13:32

My husband comes from a much wealthier background than I do. His family takes five holidays a year, went to private schools, and bought each kid a large London property when they turned 25. I went to grammar school, had 1–2 holidays a year, and while my parents helped with a deposit, they didn’t buy me a house outright (and yes I am aware that this is actually quite a privileged position, I am by no means poor but just explaining the contrast).

DH works for the family business, which his mum technically owns but doesn’t really run anymore—she’s basically retired, travels a lot, and leaves it to DH and his siblings. His sisters help out part-time when it suits them (since they’re looking after young kids), but DH and his brother run it full-time.

He’s super careful about what he says to his mum—she’s “always right,” and he avoids any conflict with her. Apparently, that’s just how it’s always been. Part of me thinks it’s also because they’re all a bit financially dependent on her. If she ever cut them out of the will or the business, their lifestyle would take a big hit.

I work part-time and take care of our daughters, who are 4 and 1, and I’m pregnant with our son. Even if I worked full-time, what I’d earn wouldn’t compare to what DH makes or receives from his family. He covers all the main expenses, and my salary is just for personal things like clothes, dinners with friends, or trips to the hairdresser. At home, DH is lovely: he’s hands-on with the kids, helps with chores, and is super thoughtful when it’s just us.

The issue is his mum. She makes comments that aren’t directly rude but feel like digs. For example, she buys our daughters designer clothes and says things like, “Girls should always dress in expensive clothes—it sets the tone for their self-worth and taste,” while I’m standing there in my Zara jumper.

At a family gathering, when people joked about my daughter becoming a vet because she loves animals, MIL said, “That’s such a messy job. Do women even enjoy working? It’s just something you do for money. She’ll have everything she needs—no need to work, especially not a messy job.”

She can also be condescending. When she was talking about her travel plans, she mentioned going to a fancy restaurant with my SIL and added, “I suppose you’ve never been there?” When I said I had, she replied, “Oh, who took you there?”

DH doesn’t really address it, saying it’s just how she is, and bringing it up would cause a big falling out. He tells me to rise above it and not take it personally, but honestly, it’s hard not to when the comments feel so pointed.

OP posts:
laraitopbanana · 09/12/2024 19:19

Hi op,

Honestly, I don’t begrudge her comments for being condescending…she is stating her point of view which I think is more of the problem!

whatever she thinks…if you didn’t invite advice…she needs to keep it for herself🤷🏼‍♀️
And yes, the money situation makes it difficult for any of you to be truthful with her. A bit sad but not the worse I think!

Just avoid her as much as possible?

MilitantFawcett · 09/12/2024 19:14

The whole thing about wearing designer to know your worth makes me laugh. Catherine Middleton wears Zara, H&M, M&S, Adidas etc. Michelle Obama famously wore US high street brands. I’m pretty sure both those women have a reasonable sense of their own worth 🤣

GreenFritillary · 09/12/2024 18:57

BlackeyedSusan · Yesterday 22:25
Live well within your means and start saving just in case this does not end well.
And tell your DH to do the same, and check your wills. MiL could get worse as she ages. It sounds like an inherently unstable situation which could go lots of ways. You sound as if you are fully aware of all the anomalies, and well pissed off, which will protect your mental health. But the stress of living such a double life must be putting your DH under an unhealthy strain.
Where do you stand if he dies? If he has a bad break down?

BankMum · 09/12/2024 18:49

CatNoBag · 09/12/2024 17:43

@MumofMiniDivas - you realise that your children are little sponges soaking all of this up: Mummy isn't good enough to sit up front on the plane, come to the exciting concert, does all the cleaning and running around on holiday etc. I'd be telling your husband either you get equal treatment or he has to deal with his mother's sulks because you're no longer willing to turn up to be treated like paid help.

Absolutely this OP, this is awful. Mummy as a second class citizen / not a real part of the family. If nothing else you should put a stop to this type of holiday where you are separated from your husband and children.

Marmut · 09/12/2024 18:33

My dad was like this. Using money and threats of inheritance/will to control us while he was alive. If we yielded and did what he wanted, he would then show his financial support. I hated it and vowed to never bow under anyone's financial control. My freedom worths a lot more than any money can buy.

Now and then, I do complain about the drudgery of balancing work and family. But if I ever feel the need to stop, then I only need to remember the reason why I want to have a complete financial independence in the first place.

If you and your DH are happy to receive the financial benefits, then I guess you need to bear with your MIL behaviours. Personally, I would not tolerate it as life is too short to be spent on accommodating unpleasant and controlling behaviour.

fairytailcat · 09/12/2024 18:31

She sounds awful

But hilarious

How old is she? Hopefully quite old? 😆

asrl78 · 09/12/2024 18:22

Sounds like you have to deal with a narcissist you are dependant on and cannot escape. Oh dear, one of the worst situations to be in. The only defence against a narcissist is to kick them out of your life, if that is not possible you have no choice but to deal with it. Don't assume any value to her opinions and they cannot emotionally harm you, just do what you can to minimise interaction.

tommyhoundmum · 09/12/2024 18:10

It's quite important that your children understand your views when they are old enough to be discriminating

GreenFritillary · 09/12/2024 18:07

Let it wash over you. Concentrate on supporting older daughter to follow the career she wants, and let Grandma's old-fashioned remarks slide off her, without hurting her by answering back. Then it''ll be easier to do the same for yourself.

Nanny1965 · 09/12/2024 18:01

Say nothing. Wave and smile... your children will make their own decisions later. Not a battle that needs fighting now. And of she wants to buy expensive stuff let her. She has a point re setting their self worth unfortunately.
If your in the financial position you say then go to the places she talks about or say no I havent yet. When should we go ?

Enjoy the privilege and allow your children to also.

CatNoBag · 09/12/2024 17:43

@MumofMiniDivas - you realise that your children are little sponges soaking all of this up: Mummy isn't good enough to sit up front on the plane, come to the exciting concert, does all the cleaning and running around on holiday etc. I'd be telling your husband either you get equal treatment or he has to deal with his mother's sulks because you're no longer willing to turn up to be treated like paid help.

BlackeyedSusan · 08/12/2024 22:25

Live well within your means and start saving just in case this does not end well.

Pussycat22 · 08/12/2024 22:20

I think I'm winning when I buy anything from zara! Onlyonekenobenailed it with her observation that money doesn't correlate with intelligence and manners. I would add class to that . Next time she makes nasty remarks, tell her that. It's succinct and may undermine her.

aliceinthecities · 08/12/2024 22:10

It's not just the financial dependence. Your DH is emotionally dependent on his mother too. That's why she knows so much about you and, as this thread makes clear, the level of control she has of your life is beyond any usual MIL. I can't imagine my MIL knowing anything about my haircuts. Or gifts. Or anything really. They must be talking non-stop, and she must be allowed access to the minutiae of your life. And what's amazing is that you decided to return to work because you didn't want to inconvenience your DH and decided to pick up and act on imagined / or real opinions / demands of MIL. So she completely controls your life. It's not about any comments she might make, it is about full control. I am sorry to say but I would imagine that you must have some trauma yourself to allow yourself to be in this situation and pretend it's normal-ish.

I have a friend who has not separated from her mother. It is also underpinned by financial dependence, although the scale is much much lower than in your case. Her mother and this situation destroyed my friend's marriage. She is still living with her husband but it's all about pretending for their son, and it's all a bit of a shell, because in reality she is married to her mother, and her mother knows everything about her (and her husband, their finances, who buys what, - everything, like in your case). Her husband though is not like you, he is clear that my friend "chose her mother" over him, and it's all very sad. I am also sad for my friend, she is unhappy and has only solitude in front of her, with her aging and raging mother. And she can't do anything about it. The healthy process of separation from the parent has not happened.

ThatTealViewer · 08/12/2024 22:02

MumofMiniDivas · 08/12/2024 15:46

@ThatTealViewer she has some well off friends but she considers them not THAT well off, because her scale of being well off is quite rare. And also... maybe it's just my opinion... I think people aren't "friends" with her unless they need something from her because she isn't exactly nice to be around and looks down on everyone.

Unless you’ve married into the Hinduja or Ratcliffe family, or similar, they’re not so well off that they don’t have peers. Wealthy people generally have (often equally wealthy) friends. If your MIL doesn’t, it’s because she’s an arsehole and similarly wealthy people look down on her.

Something to bear in mind.

Carriemac · 08/12/2024 20:45

Under no circumstances would I sit in economy whilst my husband was in business, and more importantly DH would never never even contemplate such an arrangement he needs to get a grip

another1bitestheduck · 08/12/2024 20:40

agree with several others - your MIL sounds like an absolute cow, but your real problem is with your DH. But tbh sounds like you're too enmeshed with the lifestyle to do anything about that, so carry on moaning about her if it makes you feel better.

missod · 08/12/2024 19:03

Servants who are there to 'nanny' the children don't buy their own tickets.

I don't want to be unkind, but a bit of self respect wouldn't go amiss OP.

Ilovelifeverymuch · 08/12/2024 19:00

Shinyandnew1 · 08/12/2024 18:43

I think you are really downplaying your husband's role in this situation. HE is the one who is allowing his mother to control his personal spending from his own salary, so that he can't even buy his wife a nice gift (I mean, WTF?????!?!) . HE is the one who is choosing not to stand up for you. HE is the one who is allowing his mother to make his wife unhappy by saying frankly very rude things to/about his wife in his presence. HE is the one who flies business class and leaves his wife in economy. HE is the one who expects his wife to spend her vacations pretending to be a lesser person. HE allows his wife to be treated like a lesser person IN FRONT OF HER OWN CHILDREN

This-I am amazed you ever want to have sex with this man-he doesn’t respect you at all.

But he's amazing, it's just because of his mother .... OP is in denial and don't want to face up to the truth for whatever reason.

MrRobinsonsQuango · 08/12/2024 19:00

NoSquirrels · 08/12/2024 17:21

Anyway, OP, to answer your thread title: No, of course YANBU to be hurt by your MIL’s condescending comments.

But it seems there’s fuck all point to being hurt as she’s made it crystal clear what she thinks of you and any others she doesn’t like, so why do you care for her opinion anyway?

(And the answer to that is, you DGAF about your MIL’s opinion but you’re really understandably extremely deeply hurt by your husband’s complicity in treating you this way.)

This.

Plus your husband needs to grow a spine

I bet your MIL is also annoyed you are financially independent of her. So you don’t dance to her tune like everyone else. At least you have a profession unlike everyone else

serendipitea · 08/12/2024 18:52

Shinyandnew1 · 08/12/2024 18:43

I think you are really downplaying your husband's role in this situation. HE is the one who is allowing his mother to control his personal spending from his own salary, so that he can't even buy his wife a nice gift (I mean, WTF?????!?!) . HE is the one who is choosing not to stand up for you. HE is the one who is allowing his mother to make his wife unhappy by saying frankly very rude things to/about his wife in his presence. HE is the one who flies business class and leaves his wife in economy. HE is the one who expects his wife to spend her vacations pretending to be a lesser person. HE allows his wife to be treated like a lesser person IN FRONT OF HER OWN CHILDREN

This-I am amazed you ever want to have sex with this man-he doesn’t respect you at all.

He can certainly change his and the kid's tickets to sit with you - what a great lesson that would be for the kids, that it is more important to be a supportive family than sell yourself for a first class seat.

NC10125 · 08/12/2024 18:49

Have you tried affectionately treating her like she’s amusingly eccentric?

You don’t think women should work? I don’t believe you for a second mil, you’re the first female ceo in our family, you’re literally the poster girl for women working.
Don’t say for one second that you didn’t contribute to the business. Remember I’ve known you for x years I don’t believe for a second that you did a bad job of running the company.
You can say all you like that you only worked for the business for a few months but I for one don’t believe that that women’s labour should be ignored. There is no way that batshittowers would be so successful if you hadn’t been in the background looking after the kids’

”You don’t think women should get messy? Didn’t you have a pony when you were dd’s age? Pretty sure you spent an entire decade shovelling shit mil’

”You only buy brands for the kids? I’d never noticed. Always thought that you just had cute taste! I never look at brands really- I just always buy second hand so that we don’t waste too much of the worlds resources “

Wont solve the problem or improve your relationship,, but it will hugely amuse you!

Shinyandnew1 · 08/12/2024 18:43

I think you are really downplaying your husband's role in this situation. HE is the one who is allowing his mother to control his personal spending from his own salary, so that he can't even buy his wife a nice gift (I mean, WTF?????!?!) . HE is the one who is choosing not to stand up for you. HE is the one who is allowing his mother to make his wife unhappy by saying frankly very rude things to/about his wife in his presence. HE is the one who flies business class and leaves his wife in economy. HE is the one who expects his wife to spend her vacations pretending to be a lesser person. HE allows his wife to be treated like a lesser person IN FRONT OF HER OWN CHILDREN

This-I am amazed you ever want to have sex with this man-he doesn’t respect you at all.

BlastedPimples · 08/12/2024 18:39

So if you marry and you earn less or more than your spouse, you need to live your life according to exactly what you yourself earn?

Nothing more nothing less.

And if you divorce, you simply continue living exactly as you earned. Nothing more nothing less.

Is that it?

Anything else just earns contempt as a 'gold digger" or 'work shy' or some other derogatory remark?

So know your place, op.

dapsnotplimsolls · 08/12/2024 18:38

So, your husband prefers the financial benefits to your happiness? Got it.