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To feel hurt by MIL's condescending comments

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MumofMiniDivas · 08/12/2024 13:32

My husband comes from a much wealthier background than I do. His family takes five holidays a year, went to private schools, and bought each kid a large London property when they turned 25. I went to grammar school, had 1–2 holidays a year, and while my parents helped with a deposit, they didn’t buy me a house outright (and yes I am aware that this is actually quite a privileged position, I am by no means poor but just explaining the contrast).

DH works for the family business, which his mum technically owns but doesn’t really run anymore—she’s basically retired, travels a lot, and leaves it to DH and his siblings. His sisters help out part-time when it suits them (since they’re looking after young kids), but DH and his brother run it full-time.

He’s super careful about what he says to his mum—she’s “always right,” and he avoids any conflict with her. Apparently, that’s just how it’s always been. Part of me thinks it’s also because they’re all a bit financially dependent on her. If she ever cut them out of the will or the business, their lifestyle would take a big hit.

I work part-time and take care of our daughters, who are 4 and 1, and I’m pregnant with our son. Even if I worked full-time, what I’d earn wouldn’t compare to what DH makes or receives from his family. He covers all the main expenses, and my salary is just for personal things like clothes, dinners with friends, or trips to the hairdresser. At home, DH is lovely: he’s hands-on with the kids, helps with chores, and is super thoughtful when it’s just us.

The issue is his mum. She makes comments that aren’t directly rude but feel like digs. For example, she buys our daughters designer clothes and says things like, “Girls should always dress in expensive clothes—it sets the tone for their self-worth and taste,” while I’m standing there in my Zara jumper.

At a family gathering, when people joked about my daughter becoming a vet because she loves animals, MIL said, “That’s such a messy job. Do women even enjoy working? It’s just something you do for money. She’ll have everything she needs—no need to work, especially not a messy job.”

She can also be condescending. When she was talking about her travel plans, she mentioned going to a fancy restaurant with my SIL and added, “I suppose you’ve never been there?” When I said I had, she replied, “Oh, who took you there?”

DH doesn’t really address it, saying it’s just how she is, and bringing it up would cause a big falling out. He tells me to rise above it and not take it personally, but honestly, it’s hard not to when the comments feel so pointed.

OP posts:
Garlicwest · 10/12/2024 04:53

Shinyandnew1 · 09/12/2024 21:32

It sounds like she's got a very particular view of women op-men are expected to work and provide and women are expected to marry 'well' and present themselves as suitable daughters/daughters in law.

Except the OP who is expected to work!

I think OP's painted a very clear character sketch here, and the MIL's position is not inconsistent. There's "Us" up here, VIPs, and "Others" down there, the little people of no importance. Us-ness is passed strictly through the bloodline, it can't be acquired.

Little people obviously have to work for whatever they need or want, as they have no inherent worth. One must be very careful not to indulge them, or they'll get ideas above their station and start wanting more. (She might feel it's rather like keeping fierce hounds: you have to keep them healthy & loyal, but you make sure they know who's boss or they could turn on you.)

It's nothing to do with sex, she understands herself as a kind of mini monarch. Her daughters will benefit from her largesse whether they marry billionaires or bin men - and the husbands won't.

OP, without blowing up your entire family situation, it seems the best you can do is sell the Hermes scarves, etc, and bank the proceeds. I'm very glad you have a house of your own; you'll need it if this gets too intolerable!

I'd be so tempted to be passive-aggressive and 'wittily' sarcastic with MIL, just for my own sake. But I reckon DH wouldn't have married a woman like me - he knows how his bread's buttered.

aloris · 10/12/2024 03:57

Nantescalling · 10/12/2024 01:24

Did he show it to you and tell you where it is lodged?

Even if he re-wrote the will to include his wife and children, he can always re-write it again to disinherit them at any time, under pressure of his mummy. Even if he has deigned to care for his wife and children in his will, he is still keeping up the appearance of disinheriting them to his mother. The disrespect, devaluation, and humiliation of OP, is part of the MIL's enjoyment and is also part of how DH is failing his wife.

Further, OP is worse off, financially, than if she had simply married someone of modest means. She is LESS respected, LESS cared for, LESS financially secure, and has LESS access to marital assets than if her husband made the same salary but had no wealthy family in the background. Her husband is getting all the advantage of the marriage, having a loyal and loving wife who has birthed and cared for beautiful children, and who also earns an income. HIs wife is getting all the disadvantage, with a weak husband who doesn't ensure that his wife is cared for, treated respectfully, or given financial security within the marriage.

I just don't understand a man who could do that to his wife. Isn't he embarrassed to look in the mirror?

Even if the husband here is playing the long game that he will outlive his mother and get a huge inheritance, doesn't the very toxicity of this woman tell you that she's going to put it all into restrictive trusts that prevent him using the money except under very specific rules designed to exclude his wife from any benefit?

Nantescalling · 10/12/2024 01:24

MumofMiniDivas · 09/12/2024 20:53

His mum made him (and his SIL) write a will to say that all of their assets go to mum in case they die, or in case mum dies with them or before them, then it's split between the siblings and absolutely does not go to the spouse (ie BIL or myself).

Obviously the latest Will is the one that's valid. So days after being made to do this will my husband redid his and it says that it all goes to me, or in the event of my death, to the kids.

Did he show it to you and tell you where it is lodged?

Nantescalling · 10/12/2024 01:22

MumofMiniDivas · 09/12/2024 20:47

Yeah the boys also get a generous allowance on top of their earnings but for both boys and girls a lot of the "allowance" is in the form of gifts, so being gifted a car or kids' private school paid for. That type of thing. But yes there's also cash.

So she gifts the goodies but has the last word on what it should be spent on! Some gift.

saraclara · 10/12/2024 01:14

mlc0 · 08/12/2024 13:42

Zara is expensive to me. God knows what she'd say about my vinted & charity shop clothes 🤣

I'm glad it's not just me! Zara is aspirational for me (it'll probably never happen) yet OP:s making it sound like H&M!

Nantescalling · 10/12/2024 01:09

aloris · 08/12/2024 18:32

When people have written here to say how awful they think is your treatment by your MIL, and that it's shocking your husband allows it, you seem to be kind of shrugging your shoulders and implying it's a little unpleasant but not a very big deal to you. But at the same time, YOU are the one who started this thread because you are unhappy enough about the way your MIL treats you, that you want it to change. Your MIL's condescension is making your life unhappy, otherwise you wouldn't have started this thread.

Given this, I think you are really downplaying your husband's role in this situation. HE is the one who is allowing his mother to control his personal spending from his own salary, so that he can't even buy his wife a nice gift (I mean, WTF?????!?!) . HE is the one who is choosing not to stand up for you. HE is the one who is allowing his mother to make his wife unhappy by saying frankly very rude things to/about his wife in his presence. HE is the one who flies business class and leaves his wife in economy. HE is the one who expects his wife to spend her vacations pretending to be a lesser person. HE allows his wife to be treated like a lesser person IN FRONT OF HER OWN CHILDREN. (I would find that last one unforgiveable but that's just me).

Life is short. While your narcissistic MIL is stroking her own ego, you are unhappy. Your husband is making his wife's years unhappy because he is too much of a coward to stand up to his mother, or because he likes his fancy lifestyle more than he loves his wife, or for some other reason.

Your husband's behavior nauseates me.

THIS !!

Nantescalling · 10/12/2024 01:07

MumofMiniDivas · 08/12/2024 16:24

@thepariscrimefiles I'm assuming, if I don't work and I'm regularly going out for dinners with a friend (which she could in theory hear from DH if I'm out and he's home looking after kids, or a picture on the internet somewhere) or if spots I've dyed my hair, then she could reliably assume it's DH paying.

Why does she have to know your every movement. Does he talk to her every day?

Nantescalling · 10/12/2024 01:01

pikkumyy77 · 08/12/2024 16:40

So I did my phd on family property disputes in a south asian community with a joint family property system. I studied the way in married women, like you, strategized and, frankly, embezzled, to secure money for themselves, their husband’s , and their children. I would advise you and your dh to do the same but I don’t think you are as wise as those peasant farm families.

You don’t seem at all horrified or sickened by your husband’s complaisance at hiding and facilitating his mother’s financial abuse of you—is it because you feel he is also a victim? That he is a prisoner but secretly “on your side” because he sometimes treats you to a meal? He isn’t. He is a shell of a man sho servilely attends her needs regardless of the humiliation she visits on you both.

Have some self respect. If you want to save the marriage and the father of your children that’s fine and good but ultimately letting her shit all over you will destroy you, your marriage, and youf children.

it will destroy you to be married to someone eho treats you like a firty little secret. It will destroy your marriage because you can’t respect this spineless tool bought for a house, designer clothes, and a narcissist’s offer of spa treats. And it will damage you in the eyes of your children who will quickly realize that sucking up to grandma is rewarded while mummy counts for nothing.

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THIS!

Nantescalling · 10/12/2024 00:52

MumofMiniDivas · 08/12/2024 15:59

@AnxietyLevelMax the money he earns wouldn't be enough to start buying me designer clothes, and it's heavily topped up by gifts from MIL, like his clothes, watches, paying for kids' school, getting him a new car etc which is how he lives a much more lavish lifestyle than I could. DH does share it with me in that he pays for all household expenses, food, nursery etc.
Part of it is what is said by DH or MIL and part of it is what I can read between the lines, but I know for a fact MIL thinks I need to pay my way. I don't think she'd be chuffed if she knew that DH pays whenever we go out for dinner as a couple or he pays the vast majority of our family holidays (because if we went 50/50 we'd never go out as a couple and holiday since my part time salary wouldn't stretch that far)

What she knows or doesn't know about your household financial arrangements is purely something you DH could be sharing with her. If he is then he should know he is putting a noose around your neck for her to pull the handle !

Nantescalling · 10/12/2024 00:46

MumofMiniDivas · 08/12/2024 15:37

@thepariscrimefiles I do go on holiday with them, I can't say I always enjoy the holidays. Exclusive events I'm not invited to, or invited to 1 in every 10 if the originally invited person (eg SIL, MIL herself, DH's cousin...) gets ill and can no longer go.

On holidays I'm forever reminded that it's an absolute honour to be taken on the trip the way DH isn't. Almost something between a nanny and a daughter in law. If one of the children wants to run around the restaurant it's expected that I get up to run around them, and if DH attempts to "help out", MIL will start a conversation with him so he doesn't go or tell him he works hard so needs to rest (as if me working part time and looking after 2 children part time is the equivalent of resting all year round). She'll say things like "The spa is really good here, you [DH] and [SIL] should try it out whilst we're here" or when choosing wine she will consult her children but not me. Laundry service in the hotel - if there's a stain on DH's clothes or kids she will tell them to chuck it into the laundry service but on mine it'll be "hopefully that'll come off once you get home, any idea is chocolates comes off? I've never done my own hahahah so I'm useless with this". When it's the children's bedtime she will say bye bye to me but suggest further evening plans for DH and if he declines she's annoyed, so he never really declines. Of course I'm grateful to be offered wine and I'm lucky to be taken on holiday, but it's the treatment that I'm somehow less than, which isn't great. My plane tickets are bought by me from my earnings, but then it's not a choice because DH and MIL wouldn't manage young kids without me, and often I'll sit in economy whilst they're in business / first. One time DH said he will sit with me in economy and MIL was annoyed that he's chosen her over me and I'm "downgrading him", "what next, will you dress in H&M if she does".

OMG he is a total prick. Does he actually talk to you aout having to act the lackey? Why are you paying for your flight tickets? Can't he even say 'no thank you' and sit with his kids? You say you do go on holiday with them but you don't. You pay to go on holiday with them and get treated like crap while the Man stands by.

Nantescalling · 10/12/2024 00:39

AnxietyLevelMax · 08/12/2024 14:59

This has changed my views a little to be honest to what i have posted right before your update.

how it was “made clear to your DH” money is not to be spent on you?

i guess he earns and the money he gets is between you two to decide how to be spent. Does he share his money with you? Is he tight?

OP mentioned money earned but also money given, so presumably this concerns the latter.

Nantescalling · 10/12/2024 00:25

Your DH suddenly sounds like a terrible wimp. Can't he even resist expensive holidays with this with contaminating your kids? Why doesn't she need you to baby sit or does she get in a temporary nanny?

Nantescalling · 10/12/2024 00:14

WhatUSeeIsWhatUGet · 08/12/2024 13:46

I second the grey rock approach. She sounds awful and your DH should do some counselling having a monster mother like that...

I 'third'th' thegreyrick BYTit has to be with a graceful smile on your face. If she can make your DH think any less of you - she will try. I'm sure she did her utmost to disuade him from marrying you since you don't hail from the echelon she respects. Have you or your DH ever talked of starting over away from the family business. Is he a shareholder or just an employee?

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MumofMiniDivas · 09/12/2024 21:02

@thepariscrimefiles I don't think she coerced him as such. More that she said "have you thought about a will yet? Perhaps you should write one and it makes sense to leave it all to me or siblings" (or that's how I imagine from what I know of their dynamic). It's never any coercion or threats, just that they know the consequences if they refuse to do a will or decide to leave it to a spouse (ie they themselves would be left out of the will)

Although that's just me speculating, I wasn't there for the exchange but I know both of them enough to have an educated guess.

Reread what you just wrote and tell me how you have any single shred of respect for your "husband" if he exists?

As I said earlier the more you post the less I believe you.

ZippyDoodle · 09/12/2024 22:20

Blimey, why on earth would you sit in economy? Just say no and no to him taking the children on holiday on his own with that old witch.

I would avoid her at all costs. I would also keep the children away from her. I wouldn't even explain. Your DH can organise cards and presents for her if he wants. I imagine any effort you make will be sneered at.

Start banking whatever money you can and get yourself back to work. That woman is controlling you and she's not to be trusted.

Melancholyflower · 09/12/2024 22:20

Stop wasting people's time here and selectivley responding only to posts that agree MIL is horrible while ignoring posts that call out the role your weak DH is playing.

Yes, I'm also finding it hard to believe that someone would be happy to have a husband that accepted her being treated like a second class citizen, because he is scared of his mummy. If this is real, your husband thinks his mother's money is more important than his wife being treated with respect, and the fact that he can't, or won't, see why it's wrong speaks volumes.

Shelby2010 · 09/12/2024 21:59

This is weird beyond imagining. I can see why you keep the peace, but as your children get older it will be very damaging for them to see you treated as a second class citizen.

The sitting on your own in economy is mind boggling. I can’t believe DH hasn’t payed to upgrade you, at least so you can be with the kids. I would refuse to go unless we (you, DH & kids) were sat together, economy would be fine. I’m surprised your 3y old hasn’t already questioned why you were sat somewhere else.

Lavender14 · 09/12/2024 21:38

Shinyandnew1 · 09/12/2024 21:32

It sounds like she's got a very particular view of women op-men are expected to work and provide and women are expected to marry 'well' and present themselves as suitable daughters/daughters in law.

Except the OP who is expected to work!

Yes but my suspicion is that she doesn't see op as being cut of the same cloth so to speak. So the expectations there are maybe different. Highly unfair all around.

LOpportunityCestFuckingEnorme · 09/12/2024 21:38

Also, does your BIL know his wife has disinherited him and their children?

LOpportunityCestFuckingEnorme · 09/12/2024 21:37

Out of interest, do you have LPA set up for you and your DH? For health and finance, just in case. If your DH dies before MIL you are going to have to fight her for your home and all the things she thinks should be hers - but you also don't want to have a fight over DH in a hospital bed either.

Does he have a company or private pension? Who is named beneficiary? Her or you? Any life assurance? Again, who is the beneficiary?

allthemiddlechildrenoftheworld · 09/12/2024 21:36

@MumofMiniDivas she sounds absolutely horrendous to be around! did she even think of making provision for the grandchildren? your hubby needs to grow a pair of balls and tell her behaviour is disgusting at the very least. He, along with his brother and sister, have enabled her for years!!!! they must all get together on this. she wont be able to handle the business on her own! pretty sure her husband must be turning in his grave!

Shinyandnew1 · 09/12/2024 21:32

It sounds like she's got a very particular view of women op-men are expected to work and provide and women are expected to marry 'well' and present themselves as suitable daughters/daughters in law.

Except the OP who is expected to work!

Lavender14 · 09/12/2024 21:30

It sounds like she's got a very particular view of women op - men are expected to work and provide and women are expected to marry 'well' and present themselves as suitable daughters/daughters in law. Part of me would be tempted to say just laugh her off she'd utterly ridiculous and make sure you do all you can to challenge her nonsense with your dd behind the scenes. But the bit that would worry me is when you're dd is older how that financial manipulation might play out - and the fact your dh isn't really in a position where he feels empowered enough to stand strong against her. I cannot believe he chooses to sit in business class without you. At some point your children will grow up and they'll notice how she treats you and how their daddy allows it. Your dh needs to think very carefully about what he is modeling to your children and how he's allowing your parenting and your role as his wife to be repeatedly undermined. I would guess that since he and the brother run the business together there's a good chance she needs him more than what she would ever let on.

I think realistically there's going to be a level of having to play the game here- but I think it might be a good idea for you and your dh to maybe do some family mediation or counselling together to work out which boundaries are the ones he needs to hold fast on to make this workable long term.

The fact he would have essentially disinherited you and his children is worrying. The fact he actually went along with that put you in an awful position should he have come to harm before being able to make a new will. He's also put you in a position where in the event of his death you'll be faced with her contesting his will because he refused to be direct with her in saying he will not disinherit his wife and children. Those are the core issues that need to be addressed.

Hols2024 · 09/12/2024 21:08

Most of the petty comments I could ignore or avoid her as much as possible. The holidays being required and flights paid for by yourself. I wouldn’t go and would say you are too busy working- Dh cannot take children out of the country without your consent so he’s welcome to go on holiday with his horrible mummy on his own! I understand you are playing the long game, but I am not sure I would be willing to pay to play it like you are for those holidays. Maybe find some small ways that she would struggle to argue against where you are too busy to have to deal with her horribleness!