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To feel hurt by MIL's condescending comments

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MumofMiniDivas · 08/12/2024 13:32

My husband comes from a much wealthier background than I do. His family takes five holidays a year, went to private schools, and bought each kid a large London property when they turned 25. I went to grammar school, had 1–2 holidays a year, and while my parents helped with a deposit, they didn’t buy me a house outright (and yes I am aware that this is actually quite a privileged position, I am by no means poor but just explaining the contrast).

DH works for the family business, which his mum technically owns but doesn’t really run anymore—she’s basically retired, travels a lot, and leaves it to DH and his siblings. His sisters help out part-time when it suits them (since they’re looking after young kids), but DH and his brother run it full-time.

He’s super careful about what he says to his mum—she’s “always right,” and he avoids any conflict with her. Apparently, that’s just how it’s always been. Part of me thinks it’s also because they’re all a bit financially dependent on her. If she ever cut them out of the will or the business, their lifestyle would take a big hit.

I work part-time and take care of our daughters, who are 4 and 1, and I’m pregnant with our son. Even if I worked full-time, what I’d earn wouldn’t compare to what DH makes or receives from his family. He covers all the main expenses, and my salary is just for personal things like clothes, dinners with friends, or trips to the hairdresser. At home, DH is lovely: he’s hands-on with the kids, helps with chores, and is super thoughtful when it’s just us.

The issue is his mum. She makes comments that aren’t directly rude but feel like digs. For example, she buys our daughters designer clothes and says things like, “Girls should always dress in expensive clothes—it sets the tone for their self-worth and taste,” while I’m standing there in my Zara jumper.

At a family gathering, when people joked about my daughter becoming a vet because she loves animals, MIL said, “That’s such a messy job. Do women even enjoy working? It’s just something you do for money. She’ll have everything she needs—no need to work, especially not a messy job.”

She can also be condescending. When she was talking about her travel plans, she mentioned going to a fancy restaurant with my SIL and added, “I suppose you’ve never been there?” When I said I had, she replied, “Oh, who took you there?”

DH doesn’t really address it, saying it’s just how she is, and bringing it up would cause a big falling out. He tells me to rise above it and not take it personally, but honestly, it’s hard not to when the comments feel so pointed.

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MumofMiniDivas · 08/12/2024 15:43

@pizzaHeart we had a cleaner for a short while after DD2 was born and, when MIL came over and saw this, she questioned why we have a cleaner when I only work part time. Then DH increasingly started saying that oh we don't need a cleaner, he'd do more to help out. I had a newborn, freshly postpartum and recovering from a not so straightforward birth and a toddler in her very clingy stage. DH did do more to help out. I generally get the vibe that MIL feels I shouldn't get these "luxuries" because I haven't earned them. On the one hand there's comments suggesting my work is an inconvenience - why must we pay for nursery rather than me looking after the children, at the same time I need to pay my way and contribute.

(My job isn't a fun career, I'm an accountant so really not doing it for the enjoyment and it's not a hobby-career)

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Gardendiary · 08/12/2024 15:42

You're not unreasonable to feel hurt op, but what do you actually want to do about it, if anything? It's clear from the thread that everyone agrees with you on this one.
I'm also confused about how mil would even be aware if dh was slipping you money for clothes or the odd dinner out when you were a sahm? If she was privy to this info then she really is far too close to your finances/enmeshed in dhs life.
I think the wise thing would be to stash some cash for the inevitable fall out. Is the house in your dh's name or is it owned by mil. If neither of you actually own any property I would be thinking about buying somewhere, even if to rent out for the time-being.

mags2024 · 08/12/2024 15:39

Sounds like she has possibly come from humble stock. If you have a boy she may get a whole new level of comments. Just rise above it and be ultra polite. She knows what she is doing and by not rising to the bait you will not only show her you have more control but irritate her. Good luck

MumofMiniDivas · 08/12/2024 15:38

@neverhadnooneever

  • married someone who built a successful business
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MumofMiniDivas · 08/12/2024 15:37

@thepariscrimefiles I do go on holiday with them, I can't say I always enjoy the holidays. Exclusive events I'm not invited to, or invited to 1 in every 10 if the originally invited person (eg SIL, MIL herself, DH's cousin...) gets ill and can no longer go.

On holidays I'm forever reminded that it's an absolute honour to be taken on the trip the way DH isn't. Almost something between a nanny and a daughter in law. If one of the children wants to run around the restaurant it's expected that I get up to run around them, and if DH attempts to "help out", MIL will start a conversation with him so he doesn't go or tell him he works hard so needs to rest (as if me working part time and looking after 2 children part time is the equivalent of resting all year round). She'll say things like "The spa is really good here, you [DH] and [SIL] should try it out whilst we're here" or when choosing wine she will consult her children but not me. Laundry service in the hotel - if there's a stain on DH's clothes or kids she will tell them to chuck it into the laundry service but on mine it'll be "hopefully that'll come off once you get home, any idea is chocolates comes off? I've never done my own hahahah so I'm useless with this". When it's the children's bedtime she will say bye bye to me but suggest further evening plans for DH and if he declines she's annoyed, so he never really declines. Of course I'm grateful to be offered wine and I'm lucky to be taken on holiday, but it's the treatment that I'm somehow less than, which isn't great. My plane tickets are bought by me from my earnings, but then it's not a choice because DH and MIL wouldn't manage young kids without me, and often I'll sit in economy whilst they're in business / first. One time DH said he will sit with me in economy and MIL was annoyed that he's chosen her over me and I'm "downgrading him", "what next, will you dress in H&M if she does".

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Imjustinvisibleme · 08/12/2024 15:31

From having a similar experience with my MIL (although less wealthy than you describe yours) it took me a long time of biting my
tongue to realise she saw me as a threat (not sure to what) and put me down to boost her self esteem. As soon as I felt sorry for her need to do that to people (it wasn’t just me) my reactions changed. As soon as she realised she couldn’t get a desired reaction from me she stopped doing it as often. It still happens when she’s feeling particularly low/vulnerable. She uses her wealth and her perception of her social status to give her purpose and power. When she realised we had no need for the money and no craving for social acceptance she lost her power and her vulnerability showed.

We live very different lives and she thinks I’m lower class scum. I know she comes from a working class background originally so I just smile and say “thank fuck” quite audibly.

Shes started being quite nice to me in the past few years. I’m always wary but I’ll take it.

ssd · 08/12/2024 15:27

I was going to say you are very lucky but actually that set up would drive mad.

Shinyandnew1 · 08/12/2024 15:25

Even now, it's been made clear that the money isn't to be spent on me…it was made clear to DH that if I'm not working he's not to pay for any of my clothes / products / give me money for seeing friends

How was it made clear?

Has his mum banned him from giving you money for clothes/products/going out, and he agreed and then told you this?

she mentioned going to a fancy restaurant with my SIL

Who pays for SIL’s fancy restaurant bills/clothes/seeing friends?

Anotherworrier · 08/12/2024 15:24

mlc0 · 08/12/2024 13:42

Zara is expensive to me. God knows what she'd say about my vinted & charity shop clothes 🤣

Came here to say this 🤣

pikkumyy77 · 08/12/2024 15:23

Holy shit this is bad.

MumofMiniDivas · 08/12/2024 15:21

@thepariscrimefiles she would sort of punish DH through punishing me. I think.

MIL didn't like something SIL's husband (B) did (minor, involves not driving SIL when she and MIL wanted her to be driven, gave plenty of notice, so she had to take a 20 minute taxi) so she gave him silent treatment, said he's no longer welcome in their house until he apologises. In the end, he did apologise, but I know SIL felt really torn, upset and uncomfortable about it. It naturally made things awkward for SIL because her husband wasn't allowed to come to her parents' home but she and kids sort of had to, even at SIL's birthday dinner she largely ignored her husband, she'd continuously make rude comments about SIL's husband around us which was very awkward for SIL. I imagine if I speak back I will similarly have to apologise and in the meantime she will try to ban me but insist on seeing my DH and kids (and he would struggle with 3), it'll be an awkward atmosphere any time she is in our home, will try to drive a wedge between us.

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pikkumyy77 · 08/12/2024 15:20

Absolutely stop paying for anything. You should be putting your money away and buying an asset like a house first when he divorces you or putting your money into interest bearing accounts.

This is true whether you love and trust him of not. Both of you should be planning for what happens uf she discards you, or pushes him to discard you.

Wealthy families in the US (the Kennedys and the Bushs are both examples of this) often give their sons only nominal assets during a disfavored marriage in order to protect the family wealth in the event of a divorce. In a divorce the wife and children often find out that the official paternal property or income can be zero. Shockingly both these wealthy families were more than willing to fuck over their daughters in law and grandchildren in order to protect assets.

Your dh owns very little so if he gets thrown out or you do you will not be entitled to much.

MsCactus · 08/12/2024 15:19

Your family is financially dependent on her - and she knows it. So you'll have to put up with this, unless your DH leaves the family business. It's a choice really.

I couldn't live like it, because I'm incredibly stubborn, but if you want the money/lifestyle you'll have to accept what she's like.

thepariscrimefiles · 08/12/2024 15:18

MumofMiniDivas · 08/12/2024 14:51

@Shinyandnew1 I didn't marry him for the wealth, in fact for the first year there wasn't really much indication of how rich his family is. I met him when we were both young, at uni, he didn't say a huge amount about family, he flat shared (because he wanted "the uni experience"), yes he dressed well but could in theory be wearing what he wore if he was from a well off family but not crazy rich. Afterwards, even when there were clues as to the fact his family has money in the form of me seeing his family house etc, it wasn't spent on "us" as such (which is and was fine, I married him so clearly wasn't bothered) - we didn't go to particularly expensive restaurants, our holidays were 50/50 and very much on a modest budget.

Even now, it's been made clear that the money isn't to be spent on me. The engagement ring is nothing fancy (probably worth less than an average item of clothing in his wardrobe), for the brief period when I was a SAHM and why I went back to work it was made clear to DH that if I'm not working he's not to pay for any of my clothes / products / give me money for seeing friends etc. So yes my children's clothes are paid for, I live in a nice house but if my aim was to be with someone for the financial benefits then really DH is not the choice to go for!

How would your MIL know if your DH treated you to some clothes or gave you money to see friends? What does your DH think about this level of control over the money she pays him? She sounds intolerable but he sounds pretty spineless and disloyal to you. If you didn't have your own money from your employment, I assume that your DH and your children would be dressed in designer clothing while you wouldn't even be able to afford Primark? It sounds a bit fucked up to be honest.

ChaosHol1 · 08/12/2024 15:16

Rather than let her irritate you, become amused by how much she's trying to annoy you and just nod and smile over enthusiastically and say of course and leave it at that. Absolutely don't give her any rise from her comments, as itl annoy her more to get no reaction.

Oodydoody · 08/12/2024 15:13

I hope you are banking your money.
Your husband sounds like a child and a scared mummy's boy.

I would avoid his mother like the plague, and I would avoid your husband too.

What business is it of his mothers what he spends his salary on?
Not allowed to spend it on you?

Sorry OP but you are a bit messed up yourself if you think this is in any way normal.

thepariscrimefiles · 08/12/2024 15:11

MumofMiniDivas · 08/12/2024 14:33

@HardlyLikely since having a lot of money can buy you a certain kind of immunity from the consequences of your own unpleasantness

I really agree with this statement in relation to MIL. She often says people need to be put in their place from time to time, "in life you're either pushing others around or get pushed around". She talks about her domestic help quite dismissively and says that she has to "remind them who they are" from time to time. A lot of her "friends" she has weird dynamics with, for example she will say that it's not worth her effort to go see them so if they want the privilege of socialising with her then they must come to hers (and in reality it seems like a lot of her friends are friends with her for the money / she has lent money to them / she "helps them out" but with conditions)

I despise wealthy people who look down on cleaners/gardeners/restaurant staff and feel the need to 'put them in their place'.

Margot2020 · 08/12/2024 15:08

I disagree @adriftinadenofvipers - unless I’ve misunderstood the last post, she was a SAHM looking after their children and he refused access to money because mummy told him so. Financial abuse IMO

Notimeforaname · 08/12/2024 15:06

She often says people need to be put in their place from time to time, "in life you're either pushing others around or get pushed around".

There you go then. Why don't you put her in her place? Op you have two options here, address it with her and make clear to her your boundaries or, accept that this is your life.
Otherwise you'll spend your life being irritated every time you're around her and wishing you could say something.

If you want to say something, say it.

Doliveira · 08/12/2024 15:06

You will be around, OP, long after she’s gone. She’s the Old School and you’re the New. You ultimately matter more than her, so let her squeak and try not to let it hurt you. I think it does you great credit that you feel hurt rather than disparaging or agressive, it implies you want love rather than status. I don’t know if she’s affectionate to you at all, or if you are affectionate to her. She’s a product of her training, and may not have any self awareness or ability to think outside her box. Is she an ice queen or would she melt if you were tender to her this Christmas? It could well be that trying to crack her shell would be an even more disappointing interaction for you.

dapsnotplimsolls · 08/12/2024 15:05

Unless he's prepared to get a different job, there's not much you can do - as others have said, the tinkly laugh is probably the best thing.

adriftinadenofvipers · 08/12/2024 15:04

Margot2020 · 08/12/2024 14:56

So your husband is an arsehole as well as a drip? What’s in it for you?

That's not an impression I have been left with tbh.

MIL has the whole family by the short and curlies. I would say it's best not to rock the boat in general - though if she starts to make decisions re the children that you don't agree with @MumofMiniDivas, that would be the hill I was prepared to die on.

Your DH is used to this. It's what he's been brought up like, and hopefully for your sake he isn't like this to you. It would be very difficult for him to stand up to her, because she has all the power and the control. I just feel that you are in a bit of a precarious position. She will happily treat your DH and your children while leaving you out. You're just the brood mare for the next generation in her eyes, even if you aren't the breed she would have chosen for her son.

Tread carefully. Your DH needs to be making provision for you. He should be paying pension contributions for a start to give you some financial security in the future.

You need to develop a thicker skin. Grey rock as much as possible. Spend as little time as you can in her company. Point out that even the Princess of Wales mixes high street with high end!! Use little phrases like, "do you think so?" and don't get involved in any of her shitty 'debates'. She's just not a nice person.

pikkumyy77 · 08/12/2024 15:04

made clear the money isn’t to be spent on you?

What the fuck? I would bin him for going along with that. And I would go back to work full time. He will fuck you over in a divorce as he has no assets—all belong to mummy.

Cvn · 08/12/2024 14:59

That’s such a messy job. Do women even enjoy working? It’s just something you do for money. She’ll have everything she needs—no need to work, especially not a messy job.

What does she think of midwives I wonder? I'm asking for a friend, obviously, not sat here on a massive high on my lunch break, after a FANTASTIC but particularly bodily-fluids-heavy birth 😁

She sounds like a cow OP. I'd avoid her as much as possible, or give very neutral, factual responses, and enjoy spending her money 🤷🏼‍♀️

neverhadnooneever · 08/12/2024 14:59

BlastedPimples

Except she's a cow.

I would value someone who is kind and who doesn't need to make bitchy comments all the time far far more than someone who was wealthy.

You've just called another women a cow and you value someone who is kind and doesn't need to make bitchy comments eh?