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To feel hurt by MIL's condescending comments

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MumofMiniDivas · 08/12/2024 13:32

My husband comes from a much wealthier background than I do. His family takes five holidays a year, went to private schools, and bought each kid a large London property when they turned 25. I went to grammar school, had 1–2 holidays a year, and while my parents helped with a deposit, they didn’t buy me a house outright (and yes I am aware that this is actually quite a privileged position, I am by no means poor but just explaining the contrast).

DH works for the family business, which his mum technically owns but doesn’t really run anymore—she’s basically retired, travels a lot, and leaves it to DH and his siblings. His sisters help out part-time when it suits them (since they’re looking after young kids), but DH and his brother run it full-time.

He’s super careful about what he says to his mum—she’s “always right,” and he avoids any conflict with her. Apparently, that’s just how it’s always been. Part of me thinks it’s also because they’re all a bit financially dependent on her. If she ever cut them out of the will or the business, their lifestyle would take a big hit.

I work part-time and take care of our daughters, who are 4 and 1, and I’m pregnant with our son. Even if I worked full-time, what I’d earn wouldn’t compare to what DH makes or receives from his family. He covers all the main expenses, and my salary is just for personal things like clothes, dinners with friends, or trips to the hairdresser. At home, DH is lovely: he’s hands-on with the kids, helps with chores, and is super thoughtful when it’s just us.

The issue is his mum. She makes comments that aren’t directly rude but feel like digs. For example, she buys our daughters designer clothes and says things like, “Girls should always dress in expensive clothes—it sets the tone for their self-worth and taste,” while I’m standing there in my Zara jumper.

At a family gathering, when people joked about my daughter becoming a vet because she loves animals, MIL said, “That’s such a messy job. Do women even enjoy working? It’s just something you do for money. She’ll have everything she needs—no need to work, especially not a messy job.”

She can also be condescending. When she was talking about her travel plans, she mentioned going to a fancy restaurant with my SIL and added, “I suppose you’ve never been there?” When I said I had, she replied, “Oh, who took you there?”

DH doesn’t really address it, saying it’s just how she is, and bringing it up would cause a big falling out. He tells me to rise above it and not take it personally, but honestly, it’s hard not to when the comments feel so pointed.

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FestiveFruitloop · 11/12/2024 22:11

50shadesofnay · 11/12/2024 11:05

She's entitled to her opinions. She hasn't been directly rude, you are taking offence because you have different opinions. I agree with your husband, rise above it. Also, talk to your daughter and explain that Granny's view on women not working is a product of her time and that if she wants to be a vet then you'll support her in whatever way you can.

Hard not to take offence at someone being a shallow snob who looks down on everyone, though.

50shadesofnay · 11/12/2024 11:05

She's entitled to her opinions. She hasn't been directly rude, you are taking offence because you have different opinions. I agree with your husband, rise above it. Also, talk to your daughter and explain that Granny's view on women not working is a product of her time and that if she wants to be a vet then you'll support her in whatever way you can.

burntheleaves · 11/12/2024 10:57

MumofMiniDivas · 09/12/2024 21:02

@thepariscrimefiles I don't think she coerced him as such. More that she said "have you thought about a will yet? Perhaps you should write one and it makes sense to leave it all to me or siblings" (or that's how I imagine from what I know of their dynamic). It's never any coercion or threats, just that they know the consequences if they refuse to do a will or decide to leave it to a spouse (ie they themselves would be left out of the will)

Although that's just me speculating, I wasn't there for the exchange but I know both of them enough to have an educated guess.

No self respecting and loving spouse would leave everything to anyone but their partner (and children)
Business wise it's a disaster. Pay IT of 40% then pay another 40% when the old crone dies. What a stupid suggestion.

burntheleaves · 11/12/2024 08:35

Yep... that's why it's all in MIL's name and that's how she justifies it to her kids "I'd rather you pay 40% inheritance tax than 70% to your spouse in a divorce"
Which is insane as he would have to pay the 40% IT AND then a massive chunk to you if you divorced after her death

My evil brain has me imagining whispering to her on her death bed that you are going to spend spend spend once she's gone 😈

Shinyandnew1 · 11/12/2024 07:15

it would be awkward and horrible for DH a lot more than for me

Maybe he should think of this and fight your corner. ‘Mum, I want Jane to sit with us on the flight, it makes me and the kids really unhappy that she has to pay her own flight and sit in economy alone.’

If he won’t do this, then perhaps he deserves ‘awkward and horrible’ things to happen to him for a change instead of them always happening to you?

LookingforMaryPoppins · 11/12/2024 06:39

MumofMiniDivas · 08/12/2024 17:11

Because when I've refused to go it causes a giant argument between DH and I, he is stressed making excuses to his mum. If he was to genuinely say it's me not wanting to go he'd get told that I'm a horrible person driving a wedge between his family and him, and he'd find life harder because all of a sudden MIL wants to see a lot of our kids and him but I'm not invited, it would be awkward and horrible for DH a lot more than for me.

Perhaps you just need to be unable to get the time off work - you are one of those woman who have to work after all!

I certainly wouldn't be paying to join the vile woman on holiday (for her to treat me like unpaid help)

Byebyechicken · 10/12/2024 21:56

I wouldn't have my DC within 100 feet of this woman!
She treats you like a nanny to the children and a 'gold digger'.
Have you any idea of the influence she will be having on your DC? What are your DC learning from this cruel dynamic?
What do you see the future looking like OP? When your children are grown?

Treesandsheepeverywhere · 10/12/2024 21:25

If your husband got a different job, you'd be free of the control. Why not do that?

If the lifestyle isn't worth giving up, then you put up with MIL as your DH does.

It's one or the other OP, you can't have it both ways.

Horsemum40 · 10/12/2024 19:18

Ha, if designer clothes represent/promote self worth, then I must have no self worth at all 😂😂

FestiveFruitloop · 10/12/2024 18:16

neverhadnooneever · 08/12/2024 14:30

Twice the woman she is? This woman has built a successful business and has bought her son and daughter in law a house outright and provided her son with highly paid job.

What on earth? Have you actually read OP's description of this awful woman? You sound as superficial as the MIL.

LivinInYourBigGlassHouseWithAView · 10/12/2024 18:14

MumofMiniDivas · 09/12/2024 20:53

His mum made him (and his SIL) write a will to say that all of their assets go to mum in case they die, or in case mum dies with them or before them, then it's split between the siblings and absolutely does not go to the spouse (ie BIL or myself).

Obviously the latest Will is the one that's valid. So days after being made to do this will my husband redid his and it says that it all goes to me, or in the event of my death, to the kids.

IF that's true, that's shocking. He has children and a wife that he promised to love and look after.

Pipconkermash · 10/12/2024 18:04

Your MIL is a cunt of the highest order. And a hypocritical one at that.

Budgiegirlbob · 10/12/2024 17:58

Bonbon21 · 10/12/2024 10:04

I gave up reading halfway through this thread.
There is no way I would be with a man who tolerated this treatment of his wife.
Disrespectful beyond words!
You do you.. I wish you well but I can't believe you are living like this...

I agree. This situation is toxic, and extremely damaging, to both your marriage, and to your children. What the hell are you teaching them by accepting this situation ? You’re showing them that people with money call the shots, and can control your family - including them. Is this what you really want? For your children to see you being treated as a second class citizen for the sake of money?

Have some self-respect, and get both yourself and your children out of this situation. Even if it means that you leave your husband behind. He might love you, but it seems he loves the money more, and he certainly doesn’t respect you.

We don’t have much money, but my husband would NEVER allow his mum to treat me the way your MIL treats you. Never.

Reverence · 10/12/2024 16:58

I think the comment made by a previous poster about the importance of having a health and finance POA in place is a good one.

venus7 · 10/12/2024 14:38

HardlyLikely · 08/12/2024 13:42

Just say ‘Oh, don’t be silly, Muriel. Just because your ideas about women date ftom the anti-women’s suffrage movement doesn’t mean the rest of us need to play along!’ And tell your DH that he may be in fear of his mother because she owns him financially , but you didn’t sign up to that.

She did sign up for that though; OP doesn't need to work, wages are for little luxuries, husband pays all bills. Right or wrong, OP is enacting her MIL's view of women's role.

Onlyonekenobe · 10/12/2024 12:35

Women like your MIL are two a penny: they know the price of things but the value of nothing. They use money to control, to handle their loneliness and/or insecurity. Her money is her identity. It’s who she is, what her relationships are based on, the beginning and end of each day and indeed her life. Were her parents wealthy?

People like this get my pity. I understand why they are the way they are and I feel so sorry for them. In those quiet moments when they’re home alone, they cannot help thoughts creeping in about how empty they are and how fragile their lives are - without their money they have very little at all. They also know that their own children are partly around her for her money: her own children. She really has nothing. And the more the thoughts creep in, the worse their behaviour gets. These people are fundamentally miserable, they have a huge hole in their lives. It’s tragic, really.

2024onwardsandup · 10/12/2024 11:08

Cripes after reading your updates!! You very much have a DH problem. This isn’t about your MIL - it’s about your husband.

thepariscrimefiles · 10/12/2024 10:28

Julimia · 10/12/2024 09:12

This is not about you, but all about her.Make light of her comments and ignore them. If you and DH are happy and he sees it as it is then just get on with it. She can clearly see she is not disturbing anything.

But it's almost as though OP is leading a double life. The life at home with her DH and her kids which extends to the time with her own parents where her DH is a loving husband and dad and the life she leads when her MIL is there, where she travels in economy when her MIL, DH and children travel in business/first class and where she is like an (unpaid) nanny to her own children on holiday, while her DH and her MIL take part in adult activities to which OP is never invited. It's such a fucked up dynamic.

Bonbon21 · 10/12/2024 10:04

I gave up reading halfway through this thread.
There is no way I would be with a man who tolerated this treatment of his wife.
Disrespectful beyond words!
You do you.. I wish you well but I can't believe you are living like this...

Julimia · 10/12/2024 09:12

This is not about you, but all about her.Make light of her comments and ignore them. If you and DH are happy and he sees it as it is then just get on with it. She can clearly see she is not disturbing anything.

WhatUSeeIsWhatUGet · 10/12/2024 08:52

MumofMiniDivas · 08/12/2024 15:37

@thepariscrimefiles I do go on holiday with them, I can't say I always enjoy the holidays. Exclusive events I'm not invited to, or invited to 1 in every 10 if the originally invited person (eg SIL, MIL herself, DH's cousin...) gets ill and can no longer go.

On holidays I'm forever reminded that it's an absolute honour to be taken on the trip the way DH isn't. Almost something between a nanny and a daughter in law. If one of the children wants to run around the restaurant it's expected that I get up to run around them, and if DH attempts to "help out", MIL will start a conversation with him so he doesn't go or tell him he works hard so needs to rest (as if me working part time and looking after 2 children part time is the equivalent of resting all year round). She'll say things like "The spa is really good here, you [DH] and [SIL] should try it out whilst we're here" or when choosing wine she will consult her children but not me. Laundry service in the hotel - if there's a stain on DH's clothes or kids she will tell them to chuck it into the laundry service but on mine it'll be "hopefully that'll come off once you get home, any idea is chocolates comes off? I've never done my own hahahah so I'm useless with this". When it's the children's bedtime she will say bye bye to me but suggest further evening plans for DH and if he declines she's annoyed, so he never really declines. Of course I'm grateful to be offered wine and I'm lucky to be taken on holiday, but it's the treatment that I'm somehow less than, which isn't great. My plane tickets are bought by me from my earnings, but then it's not a choice because DH and MIL wouldn't manage young kids without me, and often I'll sit in economy whilst they're in business / first. One time DH said he will sit with me in economy and MIL was annoyed that he's chosen her over me and I'm "downgrading him", "what next, will you dress in H&M if she does".

Oh, @MumofMiniDivas 😬
The woman is FUBAR.
On the other hand, do you have writing inclinations? This is GOLD for a novel (although you'd have to soften some things because it wouldn't be believable 🤭).
I'm sorry, nobody deserves a malignant narcissist in their lives. I would say protect your children: when they are older (and less work) she'll reclaim them. To her you are just a vessel for her genes (I'm sorry to be so blunt): don't let her take them. Do not believe any golden children/scapegoats narrative re your children. Forget about boundaries: build a feckin fortress to shield them from the evil dragon. I kid you not: that woman is dangerous.
Forget your husband: it's your children in the long run you have to focus on. I really hope you find intelligent help 🙏
PS: read all you find about malignant narcissism and narcissistic family systems.

Kent757 · 10/12/2024 07:26

Hi,
I am in a similar situation, my MIL partner has taken a dislike to me because I came from a council estate and had poor parenting etc etc. I work, my husband works and earns a high salary. My MIL has shared with me that her partner doesn’t like me as he thinks I’ve been dragged up from the gutter or such like. Plus there have been comments made such as ‘spending more of his money’ etc. I am only telling you this to acknowledge how hurtful it is to not feel accepted for who you are and where you have come from. My best advice would be what others have said and what I’ve done…distance yourself a little, don’t rise to the bait. You will probably find that nobody will challenge your MIL which in my case is infuriating cos it’s like they can say what they want and everyone else has to keep quiet and accept. You are in control of you, remind your daughters what is important to you and your family. Encourage them to enjoy and appreciate the little things. Hope you are ok.

Gremlinsateit · 10/12/2024 06:29

I agree with @aloris re the likelihood of will trusts - and also I would want to be sure that the marital home is owned by the H outright, as it might also be held in trust for H’s family.

I couldn’t stay married to someone who would sit in business while I was in economy.

2Sensitive · 10/12/2024 05:05

Zara is my idea of expensive 😱

Garlicwest · 10/12/2024 04:58

I meant to add that I don't think MIL would have been happy if her son had married the spoiled scion of an international tycoon. She wouldn't have been able to look down on a loaded wife: less fun for her if her DIL could buy the whole fucking plane instead of slumming it in the cheap seats.

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