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To be sad my brothers have all forgotten DS’ birthday

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OneDayIWillLearn · 08/12/2024 10:57

I have three brothers, and seven nieces and nephews between them age range 0-15. My DS is 8 today. Not one of my brothers has sent him a present or a card. My son has noticed this and is a bit upset though I’ve told him it isn’t because they don’t care, it’s just because people are busy and there may still be some things in the post (but I don’t know if this is true). We see his cousins quite regularly and he is close to them.

Two of my nephews had birthdays last week and we bought presents, made handmade cards and posted them in time for the day. I’m not perfect on this front but I’ve probably got presents to nieces and nephews on time 95% of the time and handmade cards since my two have been old enough.

of course everyone’s busy and maybe they’re thinking it’s ok to combine Christmas and birthday for him (I have never said this is ok though). If it was just my birthday I wouldn’t really care but I really hate seeing my son upset.

AIBU to mind about this? Should I send a message to them maybe asking if they could get a card in the post seeing as no one has managed to get anything on time? None of them are struggling financially but the thought would mean more than money or a gift.

But I also can’t bear to come across as demanding presents or attention for my child and I’m usually very easy going so it goes against my nature to make a fuss! But if I don’t say anything to them, what do I say to my son instead?

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RickiRaccoon · 08/12/2024 13:34

I agree men can be useless at bdays (eg for my own recent bday I got a present in mail from my sister and radio silence from both brothers). I also had 8 aunts/uncles and only one aunt would do regular bday presents so, for me at least, it's not a given they give presents every year -- but I do fondly remember the one aunt who did.

In your situation I'd check if they want to keep doing niece/nephew presents but I wouldn't expect your brothers to actually keep it up (and it's mentally draining to manage other people). I would want to continue to be remembered as the thoughtful aunt so I'd give small presents to nieces/nephews but not include your DS in their presents so he doesn't notice the discrepancy so much.

Delphiniumandlupins · 08/12/2024 12:58

ThatIsNotMyNameSoWhyAreYouCallingMeThat · 08/12/2024 12:30

So add it to another woman’s to do list instead?

Simply ask someone else, who may care, to get involved. I'm not suggesting the brothers aren't behaving like shits and agree, they should step up.

CookieMonster28 · 08/12/2024 12:55

I'd find this hurtful.
It takes 5 mins to send a message or give a quick call. No one is too busy.
If they had sent something via post I would have expected it to arrive ready for this morning.

Inmydreams88 · 08/12/2024 12:35

Sorry I think you are unreasonable. It's 12.30 noon on the day of your sons birthday, how do you know they don't plan to call later? or the gift is already in the post?

You say your self you are not "perfect" on getting their children gifts on time and only manage it "95%" of the time.

ThatIsNotMyNameSoWhyAreYouCallingMeThat · 08/12/2024 12:30

Delphiniumandlupins · 08/12/2024 12:28

Message on family WhatsApp "Do you all want to stop acknowledging the children's birthdays? DS loves making cards for his cousins but maybe the rest of you don't feel the same?"

Or less PA, ask your mum to remind your siblings, a week in advance. I'm guessing your brothers leave this kind of 'women's work' to their partners?

So add it to another woman’s to do list instead?

Delphiniumandlupins · 08/12/2024 12:28

Message on family WhatsApp "Do you all want to stop acknowledging the children's birthdays? DS loves making cards for his cousins but maybe the rest of you don't feel the same?"

Or less PA, ask your mum to remind your siblings, a week in advance. I'm guessing your brothers leave this kind of 'women's work' to their partners?

OneDayIWillLearn · 08/12/2024 12:21

TheYearOfSmallThings · 08/12/2024 12:00

Brothers can be rubbish for stuff like this but as a sister I think it would be fine to text them a week in advance and say "Little Jimmy turns 5 next Sunday, 15 Dec - can you send him a card? Otherwise he will be asking me why you haven't".

But also I notice you mention the effort you (and your son) made for your brother's child's birthday. I often see people on Mumsnet going over and above for the birthdays of people who probably aren't bothered, and then being disappointed when their efforts aren't reciprocated.

I have brothers, we get on great, but I don't knock myself out making lovely gestures for birthdays etc because I know I'll be getting a birthday text at 9:47pm on the day, probably because my SIL has reminded them for the sixth time. They have many other useful skills though and if I ask them to help with something they would never say no.

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To be fair we have all stopped sending presents to each other for our own birthdays and that’s totally fine with me (I occasionally send or receive something if it’s something we have specifically seen and thought of the person but zero expectations).

I feel it’s a little different with the children - my mum has two brothers and two sisters and only one of them remembered our birthdays as children and she is still my favourite aunt! So maybe that has coloured my view. And I often get really nice messages or genuine in person thank yous for presents from the children so I do think it’s worth it on the whole.

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ThatIsNotMyNameSoWhyAreYouCallingMeThat · 08/12/2024 12:19

allthatfalafel · 08/12/2024 12:16

Exactly, the only men I've ever known to send cards unprompted are gay men and that's at Christmas so not an individual date to remember and tie to a specific person.

I wouldn't expect cards or presents from them unless they were invited to a birthday party.

Seriously? Men can’t use the electronic calendars to remind themselves? Only women can remember dates?

What a load of absolute bollocks.

LlynTegid · 08/12/2024 12:19

For an 8 year old, yes agree with you OP.

ThatIsNotMyNameSoWhyAreYouCallingMeThat · 08/12/2024 12:18

TimPat · 08/12/2024 12:08

DH brother and sister both did this to my kids this year, both are summer birthdays and eventually had cards posted through the door from SIL a month late, from BIL they got hastily purchased vouchers bought on the day my H went to see BIL's kids and take their gifts from us to them, 2 months late. 10 yo was especially hurt. I'm now taking a totally hands off approach and treating them as they treat us. Any christmas/birthday gifts which I used to put a lot of thought and effort into as I considered them family will now be DH responsibility, he can choose to bother or not I don't care. A little different for you as it's your actual brothers not in laws but going forward I'd reciprocate their level of effort.

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Same. DH is one of 4 brothers. 7 children between them. DD didn’t get anything for Xmas or birthday at age 3, then 4 despite gifts and cards the other way. She noticed at about 5 that she would take gifts when visiting cousins but get nothing back (including from PIL).

When I mentioned it to DH (DD was upset) he said that they had asked, when she was coming up to 3, what she would like and he said “she doesn’t need anything”. Which they took as “don’t bother”. He refused to address it with them, so I stopped reminding him about their birthdays and of course they stopped flowing that way as well.

She’s now a teenager and not really interested in making the effort to visit them (they’re 5 hours away and the roads only go one way) so they reap what they sow.

allthatfalafel · 08/12/2024 12:16

Gamerlady · 08/12/2024 11:54

From experience, i think it's a man thing. I also have brothers, and they never remember any of mine or my childrens birthdays. It doesn't make it right by any means. I hope he has a wonderful birthday.

Exactly, the only men I've ever known to send cards unprompted are gay men and that's at Christmas so not an individual date to remember and tie to a specific person.

I wouldn't expect cards or presents from them unless they were invited to a birthday party.

Pumpkincozynights · 08/12/2024 12:15

I would stop buying for all their dcs.
If it’s mentioned I’d reply with ‘Well seeing as though you don’t buy my ds a card or present, I assumed we had stopped bothering.’

vtrdcat · 08/12/2024 12:09

It seems very OTT to send people reminders 10 in the morning.. Even to send reminders at all. They obviously already know since your mum posted photos, so it’s up to them really. Why force things.

TimPat · 08/12/2024 12:08

DH brother and sister both did this to my kids this year, both are summer birthdays and eventually had cards posted through the door from SIL a month late, from BIL they got hastily purchased vouchers bought on the day my H went to see BIL's kids and take their gifts from us to them, 2 months late. 10 yo was especially hurt. I'm now taking a totally hands off approach and treating them as they treat us. Any christmas/birthday gifts which I used to put a lot of thought and effort into as I considered them family will now be DH responsibility, he can choose to bother or not I don't care. A little different for you as it's your actual brothers not in laws but going forward I'd reciprocate their level of effort.

Mummypie21 · 08/12/2024 12:04

My brother's not great remembering birthdays on the day but he always buys presents during the month. My SIL is really good though and she'll send a message on the day and remind DB to.

TheYearOfSmallThings · 08/12/2024 12:00

Brothers can be rubbish for stuff like this but as a sister I think it would be fine to text them a week in advance and say "Little Jimmy turns 5 next Sunday, 15 Dec - can you send him a card? Otherwise he will be asking me why you haven't".

But also I notice you mention the effort you (and your son) made for your brother's child's birthday. I often see people on Mumsnet going over and above for the birthdays of people who probably aren't bothered, and then being disappointed when their efforts aren't reciprocated.

I have brothers, we get on great, but I don't knock myself out making lovely gestures for birthdays etc because I know I'll be getting a birthday text at 9:47pm on the day, probably because my SIL has reminded them for the sixth time. They have many other useful skills though and if I ask them to help with something they would never say no.

RomeoRivers · 08/12/2024 11:59

I have 4 brothers and only 1 of them acknowledges my kids’ birthdays. It’s really sad, but you can’t make people care. It could be a genuine mistake and they’ve forgotten, but it could also be that it’s just not important to them. I’ve stopped having expectations of people, let them do what they want to do and then match their effort.

InSpainTheRain · 08/12/2024 11:59

Why send presents to their kids? I'd stop the 2 way trade of presents and just buy for your DS. A gift and card only carries meaning if they wanted to send it. Having to remind them tells you they don't really care.

Gamerlady · 08/12/2024 11:54

From experience, i think it's a man thing. I also have brothers, and they never remember any of mine or my childrens birthdays. It doesn't make it right by any means. I hope he has a wonderful birthday.

another1bitestheduck · 08/12/2024 11:52

Hey guys! DS is having a nice birthday but is a bit upset he hasn't had any cards from any of you. No guilt tripping - I know I've forgotten in the past and the post has been absolutely shocking around here recently, so if you have sent something and it hasn't come through he would love it if you could either pop round to say hi or send him a quick video message or something so he doesn't feel forgotten I know he would love it. Thanks!

at least that gives them an 'out' so they can pretend they sent a card, so it's not so accusatory.

(if you want to be a bit more passive aggressive you could add "Hope DNephews enjoyed their presents!")

OneDayIWillLearn · 08/12/2024 11:51

biscuitsandbooks · 08/12/2024 11:39

Do they normally remember and send gifts?

We had no post yesterday with the storms and it is only 11.30am - there's still time. I would wait until tomorrow evening and then say something.

Mixed, but usually at least one of them would remember! He has been too young to really notice before I guess (it’s more about what presents are there in front of him) whereas now he’s that bit old I guess he is noticing more.

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OneDayIWillLearn · 08/12/2024 11:49

MyPithyPoster · 08/12/2024 11:49

Brothers tend to reap what they sow, my sister-in-law probably feels a bit put out that nobody on our side bothers with her children but unfortunately we’ve not even had a text in the 14 years my son‘s been alive so there won’t be much flowing back the other way.

This is true!

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OneDayIWillLearn · 08/12/2024 11:49

leia24 · 08/12/2024 11:40

Also this, I have always organised some kind of family thing for child's birthday. A meal now she's older, cake and playing games when she was little.

They are a bit too far away for that really (nearest are an hours drive), we tend to meet up in school hols. Otherwise I would….

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MyPithyPoster · 08/12/2024 11:49

Brothers tend to reap what they sow, my sister-in-law probably feels a bit put out that nobody on our side bothers with her children but unfortunately we’ve not even had a text in the 14 years my son‘s been alive so there won’t be much flowing back the other way.

OneDayIWillLearn · 08/12/2024 11:48

zingally · 08/12/2024 11:44

Aww, that is sad. Your poor DS. It's so much worse when they are old enough to realise isn't it?

How are your brothers generally with remembering stuff? Have they remembered birthdays in the past?

I think I would send out a group text, "Hi Brothers, is there something in the post for DS' birthday? He was a bit sad to find there was nothing from any of you on the day. I know post this time of year is mental!"

This gives them a bit of a "get out" of "yes somethings coming, isn't the post at Christmas shit?!" Then they can get something out tomorrow. Even just a tenner in a card, or something delivered direct from Amazon.

It's always better for your own sanity to assume incompetence before malice. No one is deliberately out to upset small children.

I have now sent a message on our siblings chat saying I know it’s early in the day and it’s a busy time of year but that DA was a bit upset not to have heard from anyone so could they send a video message at some point or let me know if there’s something in the post and I can tell him. More assertive than I’d usually be but I feel bad for him, especially as he put a lot of time into making cards for two of his cousins so recently!

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