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Can I bring my partners Syrian mum and sisters to the UK?

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BA25 · 07/12/2024 19:53

war has broken out, there village is surrounded. Is there any way I can bring them here to keep them safe? My partner is crying non stop. Can I sponsor them? The rules are so confusing.

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AliasGrace47 · 08/12/2024 00:09

NautilusLionfish · 08/12/2024 00:07

ha ha ha She is a high earner.. They wont be on benefits. You dont know their religion. And do you understand how hard it is for a foreigner to get any benefits here? Hop on and go try to guard the door then. Otherwise her partners family will be coming. Perhaps I will invite my whole village here!

AvidOpal, why do you think you're a better citizen than refugees by default of being British? You're not really demonstrating the values of tolerance, respect or compassion!

SaltLampFeelsDamp · 08/12/2024 00:09

You never hear anything about China taking refugees, yet they have so much land. They could take 100,000,000,000 and not even notice! Why don’t we insist they take all the world’s refugees in exchange for wanting to flood our markets with their manufacturing?

R053 · 08/12/2024 00:08

Livelovebehappy · 07/12/2024 22:57

I hope not. Not least because it will open the floodgates for others to be accepted. We’re currently in crisis in this country already with huge demands on a collapsing infrastructure. Best for them to find a country nearby which can accommodate them on a temporary basis pending the sorting out of the situation in Syria, which would align more with their culture and language needs. There’s a lot of unrest in the world, and we’re a small island with very little room to accommodate everyone going through this type of situation. Sorry.

The neighbouring countries don’t have room and free infrastructure either and are currently hosting many more times refugees than the UK. My daughter’s boyfriend is from Turkey and he told us that they have 4 million refugees already from Ukraine, Syria, Iran etc. It’s so crowded they have people sleeping on the beach.

He would be annoyed too that UK people say Turkey’s culture aligns with the people from those countries. He does not consider that to be the case with different languages spoken and many Turkish people bring more European in outlook. He believes Turkey is really struggling.

NautilusLionfish · 08/12/2024 00:07

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ha ha ha She is a high earner.. They wont be on benefits. You dont know their religion. And do you understand how hard it is for a foreigner to get any benefits here? Hop on and go try to guard the door then. Otherwise her partners family will be coming. Perhaps I will invite my whole village here!

AliasGrace47 · 08/12/2024 00:04

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Disgusting post. Imagine if that were your mother & sisters.
This thread is bringing out bottom feeders- I expect bc it's late the mods are lower.

Mrsbloggz · 08/12/2024 00:03

I'm so sorry that you are in this situation op🙏

AliasGrace47 · 08/12/2024 00:01

gloriagloria · 07/12/2024 23:50

Turkey has already taken 3 million Syrian refugees. Lebanon, Jordan an other neighboring countries have taken hundreds of thousand each despite collapsing economies and rapidly falling international support. Threes countries have far less “space” and capacity for newcomers. UK has taken 20,000 so don’t imply neighboring countries are not fulfilling their responsibilities and we should absolve ourselves.

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I'm sorry, I didn't realise they had such a huge number. In that case, although we & the rest of Europe are in a hard position, can we not take some, if all else falls through, as a collective? As I said the EU has stated they need migrants.
The first option should be neighbours, Iraq has refugees in thousands rather than millions like the rest....and they are accepting more at the moment.
What about other African countries, apart from Egypt?
I don't think we should absolve ourselves. But the past few years have given many of the UK compassion fatigue, as evidenced bu this thread.
But as pps said, the refugees can help us, too. We need care workers & other service sector jobs, among others. Our population is aging, our birth rate falling.

AvidOpalBee · 07/12/2024 23:59

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Dmsandfloatydress · 07/12/2024 23:53

Dp needs to send money so they can cross the border into Turkey. It can be arranged. Once they are in Turkey they are safe and both of you can send money for good and accommodation until the situation calms down. Or if anyone qualifies, register then at a British uni for a masters degree, get a student visa for them and they can apply for humanitarian protection once they are here. I know its a route many Iranians have taken when there are no other choices...

gloriagloria · 07/12/2024 23:50

AliasGrace47 · 07/12/2024 23:23

We certainly are struggling to provide enough resources for ourselves... I did say if 'no-one can help them'. Europe & the US need to pressure Egypt & Turkey to take them. The issue is that atm Turkey are turning refugees back to unsanitary & dangerous camps in Syria. Iraq is v unsafe, so is Lebanon bc of the war w Israel. We can't take everyone affected, but if people's lives are in danger, & neighbours refuse to help, I think we & the rest of Europe should accept refugees temporarily & try to find settlement plans w Syria' s neighbours in the meantime. We after all took in many Ukranian refugees indefinitely when the economy was poor, although there is ofc a limit.
Europe, maybe not us, should surely be able to help some people though, esp as birth rates are falling. Many 2015 refugees integrated well & became good citizens.

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Turkey has already taken 3 million Syrian refugees. Lebanon, Jordan an other neighboring countries have taken hundreds of thousand each despite collapsing economies and rapidly falling international support. Threes countries have far less “space” and capacity for newcomers. UK has taken 20,000 so don’t imply neighboring countries are not fulfilling their responsibilities and we should absolve ourselves.

AliasGrace47 · 07/12/2024 23:50

mitogoshigg · 07/12/2024 23:47

Speak to an immigration lawyer or a charity specialising in helping people like your dp.

If you earn enough it's potentially possible to sponsor, if they have a needed skill they could get visas in their own right and I think you can get visa to work as a seasonal agricultural worker potentially or look at carers visas, the sector is desperate so sponsors could be easier to be found

The issue is if they can get asylum nearby. Egypt has many refugees, def Turkey, Lebanon too but might be possible ? Iraq may be the most viable option.
Livelove, I agree it may well stabilise & accompdation by other countries would hopefully be a temporary measure. I guess it poss depends on the wider ME situation.

mitogoshigg · 07/12/2024 23:47

Speak to an immigration lawyer or a charity specialising in helping people like your dp.

If you earn enough it's potentially possible to sponsor, if they have a needed skill they could get visas in their own right and I think you can get visa to work as a seasonal agricultural worker potentially or look at carers visas, the sector is desperate so sponsors could be easier to be found

StandingSideBySide · 07/12/2024 23:47

Tippexy · 07/12/2024 23:43

But the financial thresholds are high, £29k to sponsor a partner

Er, that isn’t at all high. Nowhere near enough to sustain two people.

OP would need a lot more than that for multiple relatives plus accommodation sorted for them etc
and it’s unlikely they’d get this sorted any time soon.
If at all

AliasGrace47 · 07/12/2024 23:46

LondonFox, I think that would be somewhat difficult if you're caught in the middle of a war w an army like that, and a dictator like Assad.
Besides, the EU has stated this year that we need 1 million immigrants. Many of these Syrians could have skills we could benefit from.

samarrange · 07/12/2024 23:45

SmashedBaubles · 07/12/2024 22:32

Why did your DP leave his mother and sisters behind in a war zone?

Must have been very dangerous for them for a long time.

We don't know when DP left Syria. It might have been before the civil war started. Syria used to be quite a peaceful and country (albeit run by a dictator) with a reasonably prosperous middle class.

Also, many areas of Syria have not been severely impacted by the fighting until now, especially around Damascus.

Also also, maybe DP did want to bring his family to the UK earlier, but was unable to do so because of immigration laws. So he had to choose between his mother and OP. We all make choices like that in life, just not in quite such dramatic circumstances.

AliasGrace47 · 07/12/2024 23:43

I see, I didn't know it was as high as that.. Still, someone has to help them. Egypt has many from Sudan too,I see it is v hard for them to take more. What about Iraq? The UN website indicates they at least have fewer refugees & there seems to be some support from UN agencies. Ofc there's the situation w Israel, but that will hopefully not escalate, esp with Trump in power.

www.unhcr.org/iq/protection

Tippexy · 07/12/2024 23:43

But the financial thresholds are high, £29k to sponsor a partner

Er, that isn’t at all high. Nowhere near enough to sustain two people.

LondonFox · 07/12/2024 23:41

AliasGrace47 · 07/12/2024 23:02

If no one can help them, & they're can't return, Europe must help! Not just us, we are overpopulated, everyone needs to help. We can't just abandon people. We are all human, we have a duty to preserve basic safety for everyone as far as we can.
I suppose the US are unlikely to help the way they are now...

In the name of Europe: "Nope".
They can contribute to their original county of origin 😏

StandingSideBySide · 07/12/2024 23:39

Floppyelf · 07/12/2024 23:09

I known of a solicitors wife who themselves arrived in the 80s as refugees, naturalised became successful and paid a shit ton of taxes. She did bring her elderly mother to the Uk. She fought with the home office. She showed how much tax she paid as a successful BC and she was allowed to bring her mother…. Try it.

Things were very different then and we now have new rules
The Syrian refugee scheme is now closed here in the UK.

Livelovebehappy · 07/12/2024 23:38

AliasGrace47 · 07/12/2024 23:23

We certainly are struggling to provide enough resources for ourselves... I did say if 'no-one can help them'. Europe & the US need to pressure Egypt & Turkey to take them. The issue is that atm Turkey are turning refugees back to unsanitary & dangerous camps in Syria. Iraq is v unsafe, so is Lebanon bc of the war w Israel. We can't take everyone affected, but if people's lives are in danger, & neighbours refuse to help, I think we & the rest of Europe should accept refugees temporarily & try to find settlement plans w Syria' s neighbours in the meantime. We after all took in many Ukranian refugees indefinitely when the economy was poor, although there is ofc a limit.
Europe, maybe not us, should surely be able to help some people though, esp as birth rates are falling. Many 2015 refugees integrated well & became good citizens.

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Turkey are not going to change their stance, and Egypt have very recently refused to take Palestinians, and tbh have taken many millions of refugees in recent years, so it’s understandable they are reluctant to take a few million more. Having said that, I believe countries in the Middle East should step up and take the Syrians. There is a high probability that the situation may eventually stabilise, meaning it would be easier for them to be accommodated in nearby countries than shipped over here. Our focus needs to be sorting out the shitshow we already have here. Our empathy is exhausted.

StandingSideBySide · 07/12/2024 23:33

The Syrian refugee scheme closed here in the UK in 2021 once numbers had been reached.
As far as I’m aware there is no current scheme at the moment. Neighbouring countries are offering refuge,
The process of bringing relatives over is a long one and dependent on their ability to be financially independent or you to have the space and finances ( you’ll have to prove this ) to care for them in the long term. The rules are very stringent.
Search Govn website re how you can apply.

SaltLampFeelsDamp · 07/12/2024 23:32

AliasGrace47 · 07/12/2024 23:23

We certainly are struggling to provide enough resources for ourselves... I did say if 'no-one can help them'. Europe & the US need to pressure Egypt & Turkey to take them. The issue is that atm Turkey are turning refugees back to unsanitary & dangerous camps in Syria. Iraq is v unsafe, so is Lebanon bc of the war w Israel. We can't take everyone affected, but if people's lives are in danger, & neighbours refuse to help, I think we & the rest of Europe should accept refugees temporarily & try to find settlement plans w Syria' s neighbours in the meantime. We after all took in many Ukranian refugees indefinitely when the economy was poor, although there is ofc a limit.
Europe, maybe not us, should surely be able to help some people though, esp as birth rates are falling. Many 2015 refugees integrated well & became good citizens.

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Turkey already has 3.5m Syrian refugees from the civil war, they aren’t looking for more!

AliasGrace47 · 07/12/2024 23:23

Livelovebehappy · 07/12/2024 23:16

Seriously? There’s currently 7 million plus affected by the current situation in Syria. We already know that most of Europe is now pushing back against immigration. Even Germany who used to be big advocates of open door policy on immigration are now massively slowing things down. The UK is struggling to provide safety for people already here - NHS is a sinking ship. Homelessness increasing day on day. At what point do we actually try to preserve safety for people already here? You yourself say we’re over populated. There’s no more room at the Inn I’m afraid.

We certainly are struggling to provide enough resources for ourselves... I did say if 'no-one can help them'. Europe & the US need to pressure Egypt & Turkey to take them. The issue is that atm Turkey are turning refugees back to unsanitary & dangerous camps in Syria. Iraq is v unsafe, so is Lebanon bc of the war w Israel. We can't take everyone affected, but if people's lives are in danger, & neighbours refuse to help, I think we & the rest of Europe should accept refugees temporarily & try to find settlement plans w Syria' s neighbours in the meantime. We after all took in many Ukranian refugees indefinitely when the economy was poor, although there is ofc a limit.
Europe, maybe not us, should surely be able to help some people though, esp as birth rates are falling. Many 2015 refugees integrated well & became good citizens.

AliasGrace47 · 07/12/2024 23:18

sparklychair · 07/12/2024 23:10

What are all these people fighting over? I don't understand. Lebanon, even Israel? They don't seem to be rich in natural resources. Is it Russia trying to achieve strategic positions?

Op's DH's family are in a village about to be surrounded by rebel troops, & people ask why there's a war, when they could just Google.
Assad is oppressive. I was 7 in 2013 & I have never forgotten the headlines in the newsagents about the bombing & gas attacks condoned by Assad on civilians, the people fleeing in boats, the refugees coming here. Has everyone here forgotten those? This army opposing him are not good either. They're nit true liberator, they've committed war crimes.

LifeisNOTlikeemmerdalefarm · 07/12/2024 23:17

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