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Can I bring my partners Syrian mum and sisters to the UK?

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BA25 · 07/12/2024 19:53

war has broken out, there village is surrounded. Is there any way I can bring them here to keep them safe? My partner is crying non stop. Can I sponsor them? The rules are so confusing.

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caringcarer · 08/12/2024 01:11

I don't really know anything about immigration but I think it's obvious you'd your partner might have a better chance to get his Mum over if you were married. If he applies as a single person they would only count his income we here as if you were married they would likely count both of your incomes. I think it depends if your partner earns enough to sponsor them or if they are a nurse.

greenel · 08/12/2024 01:05

Snowontheroof · 08/12/2024 00:45

So - that is totally weird. You can afford to support her here, but are not permitted to, and you can't live where she is and support her there. Seems nuts. Is there a third country where you could both live together?

It's not weird because family visas aren't issued just because you have the funds. That criteria only applies to spouses and children, not parents, and is standard in most countries because a parent isn't a legal dependent. Looking after a parent is a social and humane obligation we do out of love, not legality, but 'love' is low on the priorities for immigration to the UK (as it reasonably should be).

I can't live where she is because I migrated to the UK 20 years ago and have citizenship here, but had to renounce citizenship in my home country as we aren't allowed dual passports. So I can't work in my home country and also left to avoid religious persecution, so won't be risking my safety going back. Also I have a DH and DC in the UK and all of us and my mum are not going to find a 3rd country that will give us all citizenship, homes, jobs, pensions and schooling at a snap. That's not how immigration works.

My mum and I understood the sacrifices we'd be making when I migrated. It doesn't make it easier or fairer to live apart, but it means my own DC (and her grand DC) have a much better life than I did growing up. It's just how immigration works - someone always gets left behind.

Severina559 · 08/12/2024 01:04

Maggispice · 08/12/2024 01:00

The OP will not be able to take care of what sounds like three additional adults on her income. In the end they will need assistance for govt. Countries with similar climate, culture, govt, religion etc makes it an easier transition and easier to maintain ties to one's home land.

The UK is a the brink of collapse when it comes to public services. So many Brits who have no other country as home are not receiving the help they need. They have no other government to call on.

I would say if they can get to a safe place/country close by then the OP and her partner can support them with living costs at less cost directly through money transfers like Western Union etc. I know of other people in a similar situation that do this for their relatives.

Severina559 · 08/12/2024 01:01

Hi, I am sorry to read about this situation. I don't know if your partner and his family are Syriac Orthodox but could it be worth enquiring through the church representatives in the UK about safe places/refuge in nearby countries? There may be an informal network available that can get them out to a place where they can at least be safe.

Maggispice · 08/12/2024 01:00

AliasGrace47 · 08/12/2024 00:26

Ik some ways, but imagine if your family were in a v different one, you'd still want to be w them, esp in an awful situation.

The OP will not be able to take care of what sounds like three additional adults on her income. In the end they will need assistance for govt. Countries with similar climate, culture, govt, religion etc makes it an easier transition and easier to maintain ties to one's home land.

The UK is a the brink of collapse when it comes to public services. So many Brits who have no other country as home are not receiving the help they need. They have no other government to call on.

Snowontheroof · 08/12/2024 00:45

greenel · 07/12/2024 22:54

I don't know man - maybe just the fact I don't want my elderly, ill mother living alone 3000 miles away (with 3rd world health access) and dying in her sleep, without me knowing, because she has no other family? Especially when I'm a British citizen earning 6 figures and can easily afford to look after her. But because my mother isn't one, she will sadly die alone as she doesn't meet the requirements for a Family Visa. And I cannot safely or legally move back home to look after her. Not every family split up is because of war - people migrate for different reasons, and immigration is brutal and unfair. no matter what circumstances But as I said I accept this as the reality of my choices. There's nothing the UK can do about it, but you certainly can learn some empathy for those families who make sacrifices for a better future.

So - that is totally weird. You can afford to support her here, but are not permitted to, and you can't live where she is and support her there. Seems nuts. Is there a third country where you could both live together?

TiredCatLady · 08/12/2024 00:31

How long have you been with this partner? What do they do for a living and do they earn enough to sponsor people to come to the U.K.? Have you met the family in question? It’s a terrible situation but these are pertinent questions which will help people to advise you.

AliasGrace47 · 08/12/2024 00:29

Swivelhead · 08/12/2024 00:21

The outgoing US administration is arming/paying Al Qaeda / White Knights / Islamic militanra to try to usurp power in Syria to destabilise the region further ahead of Trump taking power. They know/hope Russia will divert resources from conflict elsewhere to come to the Syrian ruler's aid. They are doing it now because Trump made it clear last term he would not authorise further CIA spending/interference/arming of Islamists in Syria.

What? Isn't that a conspiracy theory? Or maybe some truth?

Livelovebehappy · 08/12/2024 00:28

R053 · 08/12/2024 00:08

The neighbouring countries don’t have room and free infrastructure either and are currently hosting many more times refugees than the UK. My daughter’s boyfriend is from Turkey and he told us that they have 4 million refugees already from Ukraine, Syria, Iran etc. It’s so crowded they have people sleeping on the beach.

He would be annoyed too that UK people say Turkey’s culture aligns with the people from those countries. He does not consider that to be the case with different languages spoken and many Turkish people bring more European in outlook. He believes Turkey is really struggling.

We have similar issues. Maybe they won’t be sleeping on beaches, but they won’t have their own home. Thousands in temp accommodation here already. Hundreds of thousands on long waiting lists for social housing. That’s not going to change any time soon, if ever. We have nowhere to put them. Simple as that. And the neighbouring countries to Syria have far greater land mass than the UK., so are bigger and can potentially accommodate more. The people of the UK have already voiced their genuine very real concerns regarding immigration, and I’ve no doubt Labour will not be accepting any large influx of refugees for the foreseeable, not if they want another term in government.

AliasGrace47 · 08/12/2024 00:26

Maggispice · 08/12/2024 00:23

Surely it's better they work towards escaping to a country with similar culture, climate, food, religion etc.

Ik some ways, but imagine if your family were in a v different one, you'd still want to be w them, esp in an awful situation.

Swivelhead · 08/12/2024 00:25

OP I am desperately sorry for your husband. However, having been through the immigration wringer with my own family- it is a complete non starter. Besides which this country is honestly at some kind of tipping point now. It's not somewhere I would bring someone seeking refuge to anymore.

AliasGrace47 · 08/12/2024 00:24

sparkly, can't you look it up? I don't understand it fully either, but politics is never easy bc people rarely are.. Essentially, as I posted upthread, Assad is a tyrant & a rebel army are trying to replace him. They are not good, have committed war crimes.
As to Israel, they did treat the Palestinians badly in some ways, but they are also a stateless nation who needed a home after the Holocaust.
It's not surprising it was hard to settle. The British wanted to get out, ditto for the other allies. It was so hard to settle, and still is.

This was supposed to be for the OP, before it degenerated into racism & political debating beyond its remit (the latter partly my fault, I am sorry).

Maggispice · 08/12/2024 00:23

Surely it's better they work towards escaping to a country with similar culture, climate, food, religion etc.

sparklychair · 08/12/2024 00:23

@SaltLampFeelsDamp err... thank you. I suspect you are implying I need a degree in Middle Eastern Politics and History?

Swivelhead · 08/12/2024 00:21

Hairyfairy01 · 07/12/2024 21:54

I fully admit i don't fully understand what is going on in Syria but I'm sorry for your partners family and I hope they get to a place of safety. I cannot even begin to imagine what they are going through.

The outgoing US administration is arming/paying Al Qaeda / White Knights / Islamic militanra to try to usurp power in Syria to destabilise the region further ahead of Trump taking power. They know/hope Russia will divert resources from conflict elsewhere to come to the Syrian ruler's aid. They are doing it now because Trump made it clear last term he would not authorise further CIA spending/interference/arming of Islamists in Syria.

SaltLampFeelsDamp · 08/12/2024 00:19

sparklychair · 08/12/2024 00:14

OK. I still don't understand what they are all fighting about - I can understand Israel, because the Palestinians got shoved aside to make room for the Jews. And why couldn't have that been done in a gentle, respectful manner, with proper compensation?.. I am sorry for both parties.
But everyone else - what is the point? What do they gain in the Middle East?

It’s…. complicated. This image went viral as a joke but it’s also serious.

Can I bring my partners Syrian mum and sisters to the UK?
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sparklychair · 08/12/2024 00:14

OK. I still don't understand what they are all fighting about - I can understand Israel, because the Palestinians got shoved aside to make room for the Jews. And why couldn't have that been done in a gentle, respectful manner, with proper compensation?.. I am sorry for both parties.
But everyone else - what is the point? What do they gain in the Middle East?

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SaltLampFeelsDamp · 08/12/2024 00:09

You never hear anything about China taking refugees, yet they have so much land. They could take 100,000,000,000 and not even notice! Why don’t we insist they take all the world’s refugees in exchange for wanting to flood our markets with their manufacturing?

I'm no expert but I don't think 'send me your huddles masses' is quite China's thing? It's not really considered cool by the totalitarian dictator types 🤷🏻‍♀

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AliasGrace47 · 08/12/2024 00:11

SaltLampFeelsDamp · 08/12/2024 00:09

You never hear anything about China taking refugees, yet they have so much land. They could take 100,000,000,000 and not even notice! Why don’t we insist they take all the world’s refugees in exchange for wanting to flood our markets with their manufacturing?

They should... the Chinese government is the epitome of 'Greed is good.' the government is v racist, look how they treat the Uighurs. I doubt they'd welcome refugees, esp Muslims.

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