Can I bring my partners Syrian mum and sisters to the UK?

Of who?

The Daily Mail comments section is that way
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How depressingly self-serving of them.

The general international view on Syrian refugees is that things are now safer, not less safe. I'm not trying to justify this or state it is my view, but that is the general position. The UK and many EU countries have suspended asylum decisions.

All the Syria CPINs (the Home Office detailed guidance about asylum-producing countries on various topics) have been withdrawn. The UNHRC has approved the suspension - its approval isn't required in any way, and if it didn't approve that wouldn't automatically help Syrian asylum applicants in the UK, but their approval makes the decision to suspend harder to challenge.

"UNHCR takes note of the decision by a number of States who have suspended asylum decision-making on Syrian claims for international protection, until such time as the situation in the country has stabilized and reliable information about the security and human rights situation is available to assess the international protection needs of individual applicants.
In light of the uncertain and highly fluid situation the suspension of processing of asylum applications from Syrians is acceptable as long as people can apply for asylum and are able to lodge asylum applications.
Once conditions in Syria are clearer, UNHCR will also provide guidance to States on the international protection needs of relevant profiles of Syrians at risk. "

Well yes of course, Assad, trained as a medic in London, promised reform, he was seen as a new start and different from his father.

He turned out to be just as bad.

There are at least 5 factions vying for power in Syria, can and probably will not go well.

the Israelis certainly seem to think so.

“Btw, I am a Jewish woman. I’ve informed mumsnet of this before, but it helps to post a reminder now and then.” this is one of the weirdest things I’ve ever read on Mumsnet. Do you honestly think anyone remembers you? If you think it’s important to you for people to know for whatever reason you really shouldn’t rely on thinking people have stored any information about you from anything you have said previously, you really should just state it in each post.

When Assad first came to power he was being courted by several western leaders who saw him as a potential game changer in the Middle East.

Impossible to say. If they claimed asylum and asylum (or another status, for example, humanitarian protection, Article 8 ECHR) has been granted, no. If they are awaiting a decision on an asylum, yes, but they can't be removed until the claim has been determined. If the asylum claim has been decided and a protection visa granted, definitely not illegals. There will be some claims made in 2022 which haven't been decided by the Home Office yet, though.

We (U.K. & US) weren’t ever supporting the Assad regime in Syria.
We have been sanctioning Syria for the entire Assad regime.
We have been funding the non terrorist rebels starting from when they were fighting ISIS to covertly funding them after ISIS was defeated.
We voted for UN resolution 2254 sanctioning the Assad violation of human rights…back in 2015.

example of round of sanctions
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/new-uk-sanctions-targeting-assad-regime-for-repressing-the-syrian-people

wiki article on US intervention and covert regime change objective that Trump made overt by blabbing about it. The US has been acting in a coalition that includes the U.K.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/USinterventionintheSyriancivilwar

You might want to fact check whatever propaganda source is telling you things like “our government supported Assad” as proof of protesters being manipulated by an antisemitic agenda and falling for propaganda.

Btw, I am a Jewish woman. I’ve informed mumsnet of this before, but it helps to post a reminder now and then.

So where were all the marches, the outcry in the media, the flags when our government was supporting Syria. Yes people can be angry about any war, but there seems to be an over coverage of Israel, all very one sided. People are being manipulated by people with an antisemitic agenda. They might think they are looking at evidence but they are being swayed by propoganda

AliasGrace47
We after all took in many Ukrainian refugees indefinitely

The visas for Ukrainian refugees were issued for 3 years - which can be extended by 18 months from 2025.

R053
I just googled the UK’s number of refugees it’s 231,500, so quite a bit less than 4 million so I wouldn’t say it’s a similar scale

UNHCR's 'nowcasting' estimates for the UK are 483,900 refugees or 606,100 refugees and asylum seekers combined. The estimates for Turkey are nearer 3 million than 4 million. The repatriation of Syrian refugees from Turkey to Syria is one of Erdogan's objectives.

https://www.unhcr.org/refugee-statistics/insights/explainers/nowcasting-refugees-asylum-seekers.html

Approximately 3000 Syrians came across in boats in 2022 - would they be classed as illegals?

Why would you be irritated by that though?

Why the need for everyone out there to share your belief that no Syrian can possibly be doing anything illegal?

@LondonLawyer yes that's true - to be honest I was just irritated by the assumption that Syrians would be "illegal" by the previous post, whereas in actual fact very few are and will be somewhere in the asylum process.

They aren't mutually exclusive. Syrians can claim asylum (asylum decisions have been paused, not applications) but anyone can claim asylum, it's just not everyone will be granted it. If someone is in the UK illegally and could claim asylum, he is still here illegally despite the possibility of claiming asylum, and even if he's very likely to be granted it.

When rebel groups overturn a government, it’s called an uprising.

HTH.

It wasn't a mass uprising, the people of Damascus Aleppo etc were "freed" (yet to be decided) by external forces and Russia could no longer defend Assad.

And who armed these rebels, where did they come from? what will they do next?

Like i said, mass uprisings rarely work, can it be done? yes but this isn't what has happened in Syria.

the IDFs involvement now could turn a bad situation to an even worse one.

Also, Assad had more than a few rusty muskets.

Apparently the US and Israel have been busy weapons of al
descriptions in the last couple of days, so it was not lack of weapons that toppled Assad.

So mass uprising that was armed?

Yes, clearly, it can be done.

Nope Russia hasn't the means to support Assad, due to Ukraine now and this wasn't a mass uprising, it was an armed force, comprised mostly of former Al Qaeda operatives.
There are at least another 4 armed groupings in Syria.

Israeli tanks now 20 miles from Damascus....

Oh stop being difficult and having a reasonable argument getting in the way of the narrative

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Well clearly you could understand it. As you have told me the post had company rather than country lol. Your general lack of comprehension skills are not my problem.

You really are going for the full house, though in empty comments trying to undermine a position that you can’t argue against. Tell you what “there going to have to go back their to they’re country”. Go on go for it, get that full house!!!

Mmm maybe the lads in the trenches were a bit overwhelmed by the tanks and machine gun fire at first.

Deleted for double posting.

Yes mass up risings can happen in countries in days gone by, when the oppressor had a few muskets but not when they have modern weapons of war and use mass terror & misinformation to keep a population down, look at Putins Russia

Your argument works against you.

If mass uprisings are a thing of the past then how did the current one against Assad succeed? He had modern weapons and the support of Putin.