Is this feminism?

Society is literally falling apart around us in many ways. I think you're resting a lot of optimism on Not All Men, and of course it isn't all men, but to use it as some kind of defense for the men that would willingly participate is misguided. Not all men but certainly enough men, and probably many more men than we (you) would want to believe.

We shouldn't be blindly trusting and naively bestowing the benefit of doubt across the board. It puts us at risk. Look at domestic and sexual abuse stats. We need to be realistically cautious, and if unsure err on the side of pessimism rather than optimism for our own safety.

I'm obviously behind the times because when I was that age, women didn't aspire to live stream themselves having sex with countless men.
I'm sure that I remember a similar cunning stunt being featured on Eurotrash about 30 years ago. We saw pictures of the men lining up, in a queue snaking around a school gymnasium, for their turn. It was deeply unsexy.

But definitions are important: if you don't have some definition the word "feminism" is completely meaningless.

If I've spent my life accumulating wealth working in hedge funds and buying and selling properties in Mayfair I can't suddenly call myself a "socialist" because I like the sound of the word. No one would take that seriously, and rightly so.

But for some reason if a woman who wants to shag 1,000 men with no consideration for her own health or wellbeing, or indeed a woman who has spent 40 years being supported exclusively by her husband, decides to say she is making a "feminist choice" somehow this is all waved through without question.

There are many ways to be a feminist, for sure. Sex workers and lifelong housewives can be feminists. But at the very least I think you have to act in alignment with values which benefit women as a class (as opposed to just benefiting yourself financially) to call yourself a feminist. Otherwise why bother having a word? You might just as well call yourself someone who makes a lot of money.

To me the definition of feminism is as a female owning the right to your feminine power and that could be explored through the individual experience.
What she is doing is certainly expressing her power to choose what to do with her own body.
So maybe it is feminism as an expression of exploration of self as a woman.
At least in the moments of doing it.
Funny thing is that maybe we won’t know until a few years down the line how what she’s doing has affected her long term and whether it brings her power or pain.
I guess the risk she’s taking in that is feminism.

Because the male comments I have heard and seen on this topic have been of disgust. Look at any online forum or comment section on various social media platforms, the overwhelming majority condemn this behaviour. If the majority of men agreed with this debauchery society would literally be falling apart around us.

Not much sleeping. She'll just have to get into position and line them up. I hope she's got the ice bath ready for after.

Eewww. No. She has serious issues and/or is willing to do anything to get public attention.

These women aren't in it for sexual gratification, that is the point of my comment. Bonnie Blue made 250,000 AUD for sleeping with 122 men over 3 weeks. She had a seemingly normal upbringing by all accounts.

How do you know these men have wives?

No problem 👌

Respectfully, I don't think you can compare the actual breaking of a child's bones causing lifelong agonising disability, to and adult wearing some heels on occasion, which can be taken off at any point. I have absolutely no issues with my feet from chucking on stilettos maybe once a month for a girls day out.

The examples of body modification you have provide are indeed were/are about female subordination. Difference being they were/are permanent changes that affect the way women live/lived their lives, foot binding in particular effectively making the woman housebound.

Body modifications are not exclusive to women though. There are many African and South American cultures who practise excruciating coming of age rituals on boys.

We are going down a rabbit hole here but we do not live in a society where such things things can be legally enforced upon us in the same way as other countries. I don't disagree with you about society viewing men and woman differently that is without a doubt, but I do disagree that every choice a woman makes can be related back to the patriarchy. There isn't always an underlying reason.

E.g. I just happen to like accessories in the same way I happen to like wine.

I don't like the constant defining what is or isn't feminism. All the angst and debate is tedious at best.

I guess that LP is using this stunt to promote her brand & make a lot of money.

I'm left wondering if sex workers ever take pride in their work. It seems to me like any job should have opportunity for dignity & satisfaction, can sex workers ever feel that. I bet Stormy Daniels finds artistic expression in her job, for instance (and lots of money). So maybe some kinds of sex workers can find the dignity & satisfaction. It doesn't have to be only about fame & money. Or maybe money leads to satisfaction for many. It's a gig.

Human beings do strange things, for sure.

How unlike the home life of our late dear Queen.

I hear your optimism, but why do we have to give the benefit of the doubt in my thought experiment when the realities of the world we live in point to the fact that we frequently don't give enough doubt, to the detriment of women and girls worldwide?

Her only gain is fame and ok, the cash that it brings, but in terms of true gain, what is it? Where is the sexual satisfaction? 1000 men and all of their different body odours, some will be unwashed perhaps with bad hygiene, possible infections - she'll face probable injury on any given level and her genital area will be massively affected, not to even mention her cervix if these men - all 1000 of them - are porn addled and determined to ejaculate.

Fame aside (and what does that even mean?), she must have some complex emotional devices set in place to cope with what she's about to do and it is highly questionable that these strategies are developed from a normal, healthy development. I feel badly for her and want to scream at any adult who thinks this is feminism, or 'ok because it's HER choice'. It's a fucking illness but because people are aroused by it or sexually curious about it, it's 'ok'.

This is the 2nd case I've heard about and I'm despairing at how depraved humanity is becoming.

These men have wives, mothers, sisters, daughters.

This is like asking "is opening a tin of beans feminism".

It is no more, no less, a feminism act because the person doing it claims to be a feminist.

Unless, of course, women are banned from opeing tins of beans because of their sex in the social context in which the woman opening the tin is living.

It is internalized mysoginy, no less. It is probably revolting . Who , as a feminist, would like their daughters to act like this?

I don't disagree with you, it is shocking that 1000 men are up for this. I was merely pointing out that we can't know how many more would be up for it if total anonymity could be guaranteed. I speculated that there wouldn't be ever so many more, as we have to give the benefit of the doubt that the majority of men are normal and just as disgusted by it.

I am sorry you felt patronised that was not my intention. But heels cause long term injury to feet and hinder movement. Hand bags do not.

Foot binding in China was something women chose to do because they thought it looked good. Or were they swayed by their society?

Burmese women have chosen to wear rings around their necks to elongate their necks because they thought it looked attractive.

I could go on but when something causes bodily damage and only one sex are doing it to look good i assume it's not an actual choice but societal expectation, normally women for beauty for male gaze.

Sleep with a thousand men? You'll not get much sleep love!

Not All Menning doesn't change the facts. It doesn't matter one jot that some men wouldn't in this situation when enough men would. I would really love to hear she struggled to recruit 1000 men, but sadly I don't think that will be the case.

That is a very patronising way to speak to another woman. Who are you to determine which thoughts are legitimately my own and which are not.

I like quality handbags and shoes, so yes that pair stilettos that match my bag is indeed my intrinsic thought. Does choosing a nice handbag qualify as my own choice? Where is the line drawn?

Gen Z are specifically not wearing heels on nights out, there have been many articles on this. So it definitely isn't an expectation.

Once you see it you can't un-see it! I can well believe that, conversely, once you see yourself as a victim you struggle to see yourself as anything but.

I'd lean more towards individualism rather than feminism.

That said, there isn't a single definer of feminism as it's an umbrella term for dozens upon dozens of branches with varying ideas - many in conflict with each other - on the causes and solutions to girls' and women's struggles. Some of them do have a lot of individualism within them, highly focused on the concept that our struggles are all down to a lack of options and choices of ourselves and/or those before us and the solutions being our individual choices (with varying focuses on personal responsibility or communal responsibility of those choices).

Within individualistic choice-focused feminine, yes this could fit, even more in those with a focus on individualistic choices that earn a woman income. Within many other branches, no it wouldn't be feminist, but neutral individualist act (dangers to herself aside, their lens would have it neither help or hinder the solutions or add to the problems), and in a more still it would antithetical to the solutions, add to the struggles through the public promotion of this treatment towards women, and be considered very anti-feminist. It depends on which if any feminist lens used.

I'm not going to get into commenting on this daft gimmick but I have to call out the idea that everything a woman chooses is automatically a "feminist choice". It's such a pervasive idea on here but so wrong.

Whenever there's a thread in which people discuss progressive vs traditional models in relation to women's lives there will be a bunch of posts saying that something is a "feminist choice" because a woman has chosen to do it. (For example that someone choosing to be a lifelong SAHM supported by a man for 40 years is "feminist" because a woman has chosen it).

You can do many things and still be defined as a feminist, (and for the record a SAHM can absolutely be a feminist), but you fundamentally have to believe in the core principles of feminism to be a feminist. Being a woman and making a choice in and of itself doesn't make you a feminist.

I'm so tired of seeing this trotted out on here.

That is exactly my point. The heels look good with your outfit because you have grown up to believe that, not because it's your intrinsic thought.

You may not like to admit it but you are totally swayed to wear heels through sexism.

I probably won't convince you though because you believe it's you own thoughts that make you think heels look good. Most women do because that's what women wear in our society.
Men don't generally wear heels in society so I suspect your husband doesn't think they would look good with his outfit.

Once you see it you can't un-see it!

1000 men sounds disgusting is money worth catching something nasty ?

@Zestylemo We don't have to suffer for the male gaze, again it's an individual choice. I'm married, I'm not trying to attract anyone when I have a night out. I just like to wear heels because they look good with my outfit.