Is this feminism?

Nobody said it was a feminist act. IIRC, I specifically said that it wasn't a feminist act upthread.

No feminist is perfect. No feminist does only feminist acts and makes only feminist choices. They're still feminists.

Are you a feminist @username299?

This may seem to her now to be a good idea, especially the £££s, but I wonder how she will feel about herself in 10/20/30 years time.

Sleeping with 1000 men in 24 hours is not feminism but bit*inism and stupidism

Sounds like you have pretty ridged views about what women should and should not do.
Are you a feminist?

In the article, she calls herself a feminist and says she feels empowered.

Both these things can be true @username299 . She, as an individual adult woman can feel empowered by this, and let's face it, having millions of £££ is empowering. She can also be a feminist.🤷‍♀️

I do not have an opinion on the matter, only here to suggest doubling or tripling up at a time if technically possible. It will be a long day at work, regardless.

Feminism is a women’s and a men’s issue. Hence if you’re describing it as a specifically anti-feminist act, then yes, it matters what both men and women think.

I do not ‘care’ what they think, but you can’t declare something a societal ‘ism’ or non ‘ism’ without the opinions of the society that created it.

Feminism is the equality between men and women. Men are part of the conversation whether you like it or not.

What’s your point?

Yes you did. You said ‘have any respect for her’.

Who cares what they think?

I said she doesn’t describe the act as an act of feminism. Which she doesn’t. How she considers herself as a general person is by the by.

Does it matter how these men think of her? Is that part of the equation when she’s not declaring it a feminist act.

I consider myself a feminist. But many things I do are not an act of feminism – like shaving my legs or plucking my eyebrows, or wearing a bra, or giving my kids my DH’s name, or keeping my hair long, or wearing makeup. Etc etc etc …

@SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice

Don’t agree with your example here. Taking your husband or wife’s name doesn’t “undermine women as a class.”

We'd have to agree to disagree: many varieties of feminism consider women as a "class" based on their relationship to men in patriarchy. Many women consider women as a class because of the historically gendered nature of caregiving etc etc.

Historically taking a husband's name was a symbol that a woman was accepting ownership by her husband. Until fairly recently a married woman was quite literally owned by her husband. That's not legally true now of course, but there are many reasons feminists are justifiably uncomfortable with it. Again, that's not to argue that a woman shouldn't do it, but its difficult to position taking a man's name as a "feminist choice" when it is literally a symbol of ownership by a man.

I think class has a lot to do with how feminists of a certain privileged class try to control the choices of feminists from less privileged classes by categorising them as feminist or not feminist.

That's true. But it doesn't change the fact that you have to have some definition of feminism otherwise there's no point to it. Simply saying feminism is anything a woman chooses makes it meaningless. If less privileged women are unhappy with those definitions they are welcome to seek to change them but just asserting that all choices are equally feminist is evading this.

But if the outcome of a choice serves to undermine women as a class (such as taking your husband's name) you can't claim that this is a "feminist choice". It is literally the opposite of the feminist choice.

Don’t agree with your example here. Taking your husband or wife’s name doesn’t “undermine women as a class.”

Women aren’t a class anyway.

I think class has a lot to do with how feminists of a certain privileged class try to control the choices of feminists from less privileged classes by categorising them as feminist or not feminist. There is a complete disregard for the reality of how the other classes, religions, and ethnicities live and navigate the world.

Empress Messalina.

Over the years I've read about female students turning to sex work to pay their fees and stripping became an acceptable side hustle.

It’s been an acceptable side hustle since women were allowed to attend University. There was only a lull during the AIDS epidemic.

Prior to that, it was an acceptable side hustle to sleep with senior men in your office because your little secretarial “job” was all about getting promoted or catching a husband.

no comment on the feminism angle. I think the same act can be feminist and not feminist, it really depends on the answer to the question of ‘who benefits’?

If the woman benefits, it’s feminist. If the woman loses out, it is not feminist.

I don’t know. I haven’t spoken to them. Have you?

She’s not claiming it’s an act of feminism or to support feminism either. She simply says she ‘finds it empowering’ and the article cites than users of Only Fans are ‘mostly young women who cite ‘female empowerment’ and ‘feminism’’

So you banging on about this woman and feminism is sort of moot.

Telling adult women what they may or may not do with their bodies (including whom they may or may not shag, and for what reason) is no different to telling them how they should look or dress, or what they can and cannot do to earn a living; it isn't exactly feminist either, is it?

Other adults exercising their free choice is nobody's business but their own. I see we've already had the lame old trope of women 'turning to' sex work to make more money; why is nobody ever said to have 'turned to' cleaning or bar work or filling shelves for some extra cash?

Same old, same old. She's going to be bloody sore in the morning though.