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username299 · 2024-12-07T04:22:24+00:00

I've just read about a 23 year old who comes from a wealthy background and plans to sleep with 1,000 men in 24 hrs. In the [[https://archive.ph/sbLUK article]]*, she calls herself a feminist and says she feels empowered. I don't understand why this woman wants to do this. I can obviously understand the financial aspect but she talks about the event taking place in a warehouse with men coming in one door and leaving out the other. I'm obviously behind the times because when I was that age, women didn't aspire to live stream themselves having sex with countless men. I'm wondering what the hell has happened for women to choose to do this and think it's empowering. These women have the support of their families which I also don't understand. *Daily Heil

ARealitycheck · 07/12/2024 18:58

username299 · 07/12/2024 18:54

You're completely incorrect. It's a fact that many women who get involved in sex work have been raped or sexually abused as children.

Sex work is often not a choice but something a women is forced to do through circumstances. Those circumstances could be drug addiction, trafficking or domestic abuse and it often involves violence and abuse.

I didn't say that sex work was wrong, I said it's not feminism. I already said that sex workers need support and help to remain safe.

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And a great many women go into sex work eyes wide open with no hang ups whatsoever.

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username299 · 07/12/2024 18:54

ARealitycheck · 07/12/2024 18:29

Be honest OP, your post has nothing to do with feminism. You just want to impose your views on sex work onto everyone else.

For any woman (or man) that is offering sex for sale to feed a habit or keep a roof over their head, then these people need help. I'd suggest more facilities for substance abusers.

For a woman who makes the choice that sex work will give a far better standard of living than what she would make in a job she has the skills for, eg hospitality. None of us have any right to say she is wrong.

The oft claimed statement that all sex workers are controlled, on drugs, raped regularly is simply untrue.

You're completely incorrect. It's a fact that many women who get involved in sex work have been raped or sexually abused as children.

Sex work is often not a choice but something a women is forced to do through circumstances. Those circumstances could be drug addiction, trafficking or domestic abuse and it often involves violence and abuse.

I didn't say that sex work was wrong, I said it's not feminism. I already said that sex workers need support and help to remain safe.

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ARealitycheck · 07/12/2024 18:53

Julia34 · 07/12/2024 18:47

Feminism is fighting for women rights. I ask what she did good for women apart from having sex with 1000 men?

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And women just like men have the right to have sex with as many partners as they choose. How often do we hear a woman called derogatory names for having a number of sexual partners. Sadly often by other women as well as men.

Julia34 · 07/12/2024 18:47

ARealitycheck · 07/12/2024 18:44

It may not fit your definition of feminism, but it may well fit hers. Providing she is doing it with capacity it can be what she believes it is.

Now if we look at a guy being able to boast he has had sex with a thousand women, to many other men he would be a hero. When this woman is doing the same, she is getting slated by mostly women. Surely feminism is equality of the sexes.

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Feminism is fighting for women rights. I ask what she did good for women apart from having sex with 1000 men?

ARealitycheck · 07/12/2024 18:44

Julia34 · 07/12/2024 18:34

Of course is untrue and many women chooses by themselves to be prostitutes but don't call this feminism because it is not

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It may not fit your definition of feminism, but it may well fit hers. Providing she is doing it with capacity it can be what she believes it is.

Now if we look at a guy being able to boast he has had sex with a thousand women, to many other men he would be a hero. When this woman is doing the same, she is getting slated by mostly women. Surely feminism is equality of the sexes.

TooBigForMyBoots · 07/12/2024 18:37

No I don't. I don't agree with you that the sexual objectification and exploitation of women is feminist.

I haven't said anything like that for you to disagree with @username299 .

I don't consider sex work feminist. I know that sex workers can be feminists.

Julia34 · 07/12/2024 18:34

ARealitycheck · 07/12/2024 18:29

Be honest OP, your post has nothing to do with feminism. You just want to impose your views on sex work onto everyone else.

For any woman (or man) that is offering sex for sale to feed a habit or keep a roof over their head, then these people need help. I'd suggest more facilities for substance abusers.

For a woman who makes the choice that sex work will give a far better standard of living than what she would make in a job she has the skills for, eg hospitality. None of us have any right to say she is wrong.

The oft claimed statement that all sex workers are controlled, on drugs, raped regularly is simply untrue.

Of course is untrue and many women chooses by themselves to be prostitutes but don't call this feminism because it is not

ARealitycheck · 07/12/2024 18:29

Be honest OP, your post has nothing to do with feminism. You just want to impose your views on sex work onto everyone else.

For any woman (or man) that is offering sex for sale to feed a habit or keep a roof over their head, then these people need help. I'd suggest more facilities for substance abusers.

For a woman who makes the choice that sex work will give a far better standard of living than what she would make in a job she has the skills for, eg hospitality. None of us have any right to say she is wrong.

The oft claimed statement that all sex workers are controlled, on drugs, raped regularly is simply untrue.

Julia34 · 07/12/2024 18:25

YellowSwanFrom · 07/12/2024 18:18

Well it’s the oldest profession and all that…it’s a way to earn money fairly quickly I assume. It is not my idea of feminist empowerment, but if it’s something that is done purely out of choice then arguably that is my idea of feminism. But then you get into the murky minefield of ‘is it actually a choice when it’s just millennia of sexism and subjugation of women?’

What her friend do is not feminism but prostitution

YellowSwanFrom · 07/12/2024 18:18

Well it’s the oldest profession and all that…it’s a way to earn money fairly quickly I assume. It is not my idea of feminist empowerment, but if it’s something that is done purely out of choice then arguably that is my idea of feminism. But then you get into the murky minefield of ‘is it actually a choice when it’s just millennia of sexism and subjugation of women?’

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username299 · 07/12/2024 18:17

TooBigForMyBoots · 07/12/2024 18:06

So you do understand that this woman is a feminist, even though she is doing an unfeminist thing in this instance @username299?

No I don't. I don't agree with you that the sexual objectification and exploitation of women is feminist.

Many women are forced into sex work through poverty, drug addiction, domestic abuse and human trafficking. Sex work takes away a woman's choice as she often cannot refuse a client due to her vulnerability.

Sex work endangers women and women often suffer mental ill health and trauma. Women involved in sex work are often sexually assaulted and abused.

I find it difficult to believe that anyone who proports to care about the welfare of women would encourage them into sex work or consider it feminist.

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Julia34 · 07/12/2024 18:07

TooBigForMyBoots · 07/12/2024 18:06

So you do understand that this woman is a feminist, even though she is doing an unfeminist thing in this instance @username299?

What good did she do for other women so far ? Apart for teaching them to have sex with 1000 men in 24 hours

TooBigForMyBoots · 07/12/2024 18:06

So you do understand that this woman is a feminist, even though she is doing an unfeminist thing in this instance @username299?

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username299 · 07/12/2024 17:33

TooBigForMyBoots · 07/12/2024 17:26

It isn't obvious to me. If you are a feminist why do you think you have the right to gatekeep feminism?

If you are not a feminist, are you here trying to shame feminists and sex workers?

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I didn't say that I have a right to gatekeep feminism. I said that feminism is an ideology and a defined movement.

I clearly said earlier that it was feminist to support sex workers.

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SidhuVicious · 07/12/2024 17:27

I think it's bonkers tbh. Interestingly, were it reversed a lot if people would probs think 'lucky guy'.

TooBigForMyBoots · 07/12/2024 17:26

username299 · 07/12/2024 17:10

I think it's pretty obvious whether or not I'm a feminist if you read the thread.

What do you understand by feminism?

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It isn't obvious to me. If you are a feminist why do you think you have the right to gatekeep feminism?

If you are not a feminist, are you here trying to shame feminists and sex workers?

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username299 · 07/12/2024 17:24

Julia34 · 07/12/2024 17:16

For me feminism is fighting for women rights

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I believe that should be at the core of the feminist movement. A woman's right to be treated with equality, dignity and respect.

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Julia34 · 07/12/2024 17:16

username299 · 07/12/2024 17:10

I think it's pretty obvious whether or not I'm a feminist if you read the thread.

What do you understand by feminism?

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For me feminism is fighting for women rights

Didimum · 07/12/2024 17:16

username299 · 07/12/2024 17:13

Our little exchange ended some time ago. Enjoy your evening.

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I can post whatever I want. Clearly you don’t have a response 👌

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username299 · 07/12/2024 17:13

Didimum · 07/12/2024 17:12

Why title the post ‘Is this feminism?’ when you have clearly made up your mind what is feminism and what isn’t?

Seems like you only started the thread in hope that you could get a group of women bashing this woman. How feminist of you.

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Our little exchange ended some time ago. Enjoy your evening.

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Didimum · 07/12/2024 17:12

username299 · 07/12/2024 16:15

Having sex in a warehouse with 1,000 men is not a feminist act. Feminism isn't amorphous, it doesn't just mean whatever you want it to mean.

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Why title the post ‘Is this feminism?’ when you have clearly made up your mind what is feminism and what isn’t?

Seems like you only started the thread in hope that you could get a group of women bashing this woman. How feminist of you.

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username299 · 07/12/2024 17:10

TooBigForMyBoots · 07/12/2024 17:06

The event is not a feminist act.
The woman doing the event is a feminist.
Sex workers can be feminists.

Are you a feminist yourself @username299?

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I think it's pretty obvious whether or not I'm a feminist if you read the thread.

What do you understand by feminism?

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Julia34 · 07/12/2024 17:07

username299 · 07/12/2024 17:04

My thread is about whether or not this kind of event and in a larger context, the sexualisation of women on Onlyfans and social media is feminism.

In the interview on this event, the woman says she's a feminist and finds what she does empowering.

People on this thread have said that sex work is feminism.

My thread isn't about whether or not every action a feminist does is feminism. My thread is about whether having sex with 1,000 men is feminism.

IMO you don't call yourself 100% percent feminist and then treat yourself with such disrespect. IMO it's not empowering to be sexually objectified. It's not empowering to debase yourself.

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No this not feminism. I even think that some feminist women may feel angry and ashamed when hear some other women who called herself feminist was acting like prostitute as feminism is fighting for women rights and respect too

TooBigForMyBoots · 07/12/2024 17:06

The event is not a feminist act.
The woman doing the event is a feminist.
Sex workers can be feminists.

Are you a feminist yourself @username299?

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username299 · 07/12/2024 17:04

TooBigForMyBoots · 07/12/2024 16:48

Nobody said it was a feminist act. IIRC, I specifically said that it wasn't a feminist act upthread.

No feminist is perfect. No feminist does only feminist acts and makes only feminist choices. They're still feminists.

Are you a feminist @username299?

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My thread is about whether or not this kind of event and in a larger context, the sexualisation of women on Onlyfans and social media is feminism.

In the interview on this event, the woman says she's a feminist and finds what she does empowering.

People on this thread have said that sex work is feminism.

My thread isn't about whether or not every action a feminist does is feminism. My thread is about whether having sex with 1,000 men is feminism.

IMO you don't call yourself 100% percent feminist and then treat yourself with such disrespect. IMO it's not empowering to be sexually objectified. It's not empowering to debase yourself.

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