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Teacher leaving due to bullying SLT

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Teachergoing · 06/12/2024 21:18

I just want to tell people. I have no one to tell.

SLT have been very sneakiky bringing me down over the last few years, and finally I've cracked.
A member of SLT was rude, shouted at me and just generally unprofessional. They blamed me for something they had never told me not to do (something pretty minute with little effect on anything).
I complained about the manner of SLT and was basically told it was all my fault, that I misread the situation because of 'how my brain works' (they know I'm autistic).They invented witnesses and made up stuff.

There's nothing I can do. I can't see how my union could help here. They have 'witnesses' and all SLT just defend each other and back each other up.

So, as I can't imagine working for these people any longer, I'm going to leave ... I will miss the children and my TAs desperately but I cannot stay somewhere I feel has put a target on my head.

I will not be applying for any other teaching jobs. Maybe a TA in the future when I've recovered from this, as currently I'm all over the place.

There, thanks for reading. Just wanted that off my chest.

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Nannycamp2010 · 07/04/2025 19:59

Hey that’s what disabled children and parents are dealing with day in and day out for years and years , maybe she saw you as a threat giving all the new changes and she threw you under the bus like all the send kids that are being home schooled !! This is my opinion and does not reflect on anyone in particular just the whole broken system I have experienced over the past few decades ! It takes a special type of person to make lives a complete misery ! Chosen for their expertise no doubt

benefitstaxcredithelp · 10/12/2024 16:07

Teachergoing · 10/12/2024 15:53

I called my union today. He asked me to write a report of the incident and send him the bullying and harassment policy. I've spent all day writing the report and it's four pages long! Typing it out made it feel clear that I don't have a leg to stand on.

Im really struggling. My mouth is dry all the time, my head feels numb, I'm lying awake at night as it goes round and round my head. I've never felt so stressed in my life.

Op I would really recommend some counseling as you go through this. What you are experiencing is bullying and it’s traumatic (ex teacher who has witnessed this exact situation several times). You need some support to help you. I’m sorry for you. It’s an awful situation. please put yourself first 🌷
Will you go on sick?

Sadly this situation is common in schools. Bullying is not only an issue among the students, it’s everywhere from the top down. One of the reasons I got out myself (& took my children out too).

Iwanttoliveonamountain · 10/12/2024 16:04

Just send it and wait for union response. Things will calm then.

Teachergoing · 10/12/2024 15:53

I called my union today. He asked me to write a report of the incident and send him the bullying and harassment policy. I've spent all day writing the report and it's four pages long! Typing it out made it feel clear that I don't have a leg to stand on.

Im really struggling. My mouth is dry all the time, my head feels numb, I'm lying awake at night as it goes round and round my head. I've never felt so stressed in my life.

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FrippEnos · 10/12/2024 12:03

okright · 08/12/2024 19:52

Teachers don’t get sacked do they? Unless gross incompetence. Speak to the union. Maybe a grievance or solution focussed meeting due to you losing confidence in them. Would a side says move work better?

HTs and SLT will manipulate any situation if they want to get rid of a teacher.
Many teachers are bullied out and if they refuse to go they will be put on formal capability and fired.

I have seen it far to many times with no responsibility placed on the HT or SLT for their actions.

okright · 10/12/2024 08:49

www.heraldscotland.com/news/14930647.bad-teachers-14-sacked-scotland-three-years-competence-grounds/

Probably why they use the other routes. Can imagine loads of reasons for this.

CaptainMyCaptain · 10/12/2024 07:58

okright · 10/12/2024 07:32

The op seemed worried about being sacked. Seems very rare for a teacher to get sacked in Scotland. Naturally, people go off sick, leave the industry or move jobs, like in every other industry where you don’t gel with the managerial culture or whatnot.

Off hand I think of two cases of teachers (one of them a Head) actually being sacked. Usually 'They' get you to leave by undermining your confidence, making unreasonable demands and making you ill. My doctor was very sympathetic because he said he had seen it many times.

okright · 10/12/2024 07:32

The op seemed worried about being sacked. Seems very rare for a teacher to get sacked in Scotland. Naturally, people go off sick, leave the industry or move jobs, like in every other industry where you don’t gel with the managerial culture or whatnot.

FontainesDH · 10/12/2024 07:31

My colleague's GP only signed her off for two weeks, no more, despite not being able to stop crying when she went back to see them. She was managed out by SLT. Her life in school was made hell and she said she'd rather be dead. It was awful to see. I experienced something similar but nowhere near as extreme. But we both found union advice to be slow. They were overwhelmed in my London borough as there were so, so many older more experienced teachers being pushed out at that time across various schools. Best thing I ever did was leave teaching. And the biggest regret of my life is ever entering the profession in the first place.

My advice is to get signed off for as long as possible.

Longma · 10/12/2024 07:22

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Witchtower · 10/12/2024 06:41

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Threelittleduck · 09/12/2024 04:19

I think when things become more formal, union involved or going to court you might find there are no witnesses. It's one thing for SLT to persuade staff to lie and blame you when it's being dealt with by school. People are less likely to lie when it's a formal outside agency.
I agree though, go off sick and take time to decide what you want to do. There will be other jobs where you can use your skills.
I'm so sad to read about OP and other teachers saying they are being treated so badly, no wonder there's a crisis with no teachers if this is how they are treated.
I lost a lot of respect for SLT at DDs school when a teacher (absolutely brilliant teacher, who everyone wanted for their child's teacher) killed himself rather than return to school after the summer. Later it came out that he was badly bullied by SLT. You obviously don't want to let things get that bad, so go off sick.

timetodecide2345 · 09/12/2024 03:48

There's so many schools like this. They appear to be run by people with sociopathic traits and seem to take pleasure in bullying people out of jobs. My husband worked in schools for years but finally left to work in FE a few years ago. They value his teaching skills unlike schools.

LambriniBobInIsleworthISeesYa · 08/12/2024 22:24

Speak to your union, they can help with your options. Happened to me and I was given a "pay out" to leave (I'm disabled and they'd basically discriminated against that- they paid me so I didn't sue basically. Wouldn't even have known that it was an option had I not had union support).

The pay out gave me some breathing space and 6yrs on I'm a SENCO in an alternative provision and it's the happiest I've ever been in a school, but I'd never have thought this was the job for me, but as others have said it's transferable skills.

Good luck.

okright · 08/12/2024 20:46

In this type of situation, if you feel you’re being targeted I would acquaint myself with the grievance policy and what constitutes bullying and harassment. I would document every instance with date/ time/ location// witnesses/ impact on you / other evidence in your favour.

On a basic level I’d use email to reflect back your understanding of interactions and remain super professional and positive even when they’ve been a dickhead. These make it hard to manage you out. Don’t be afraid to say that you can’t accept that you did something you didn’t do but you will ensure that you follow X Y or Z policy in future as you normally do. Use ChatGPT if necessary.

It’s never ok to be shouted at and I’d be surprised
if you were the only one who has been shouted at…find them casually without it looking like you’re leading a witch-hunt.

Sometimes (group) grievances can bring about positive change.

And I would look for another job.

I would get some counselling til I found a new job. Money well spent anyway or if have a friend who is a head then get their informal support. You might just need coaching on how to stick up for yourself and gather evidence so that you can’t be trampled over by stressed out colleagues.

CaptainMyCaptain · 08/12/2024 20:14

okright · 08/12/2024 19:52

Teachers don’t get sacked do they? Unless gross incompetence. Speak to the union. Maybe a grievance or solution focussed meeting due to you losing confidence in them. Would a side says move work better?

Teachers get 'managed out'. Usually they're bullied until they go off sick and leave.

TooBigForMyBoots · 08/12/2024 20:04

Teachergoing · 08/12/2024 08:31

I've decided that I WILL speak to the union, tomorrow. I'm definitely going to leave but I've been looking at my finances and it would be better if I could just hold on a bit longer and save up more of a safety cushion.

It's just so rubbish. Somebody asked up the thread what I actually did, and I don't want give details but basically I was accused by SLT of doing something I didn't actually do. And they've found witnesses to say I did do it. Which is all ridiculous because I know I didn't do it!

I'm glad you've decided this @Teachergoing. You are doing the right thing.BrewThanks

beezlebubnicky · 08/12/2024 19:59

okright · 08/12/2024 19:52

Teachers don’t get sacked do they? Unless gross incompetence. Speak to the union. Maybe a grievance or solution focussed meeting due to you losing confidence in them. Would a side says move work better?

Not true. They can be sacked if a particular senior person just doesn't happen to like you , it happened to me and has happened to many others. Just search the teacher capability threads to see how performance management is weaponised against teachers to force them out - particularly more experienced teachers who are expensive.

okright · 08/12/2024 19:52

Teachers don’t get sacked do they? Unless gross incompetence. Speak to the union. Maybe a grievance or solution focussed meeting due to you losing confidence in them. Would a side says move work better?

MrsHamlet · 08/12/2024 19:46

Teachergoing · 08/12/2024 16:38

Oh yes, they've already accused me of not following a policy ...

God I just feel sick and I want to cry and cry. I'm a very quiet, sensitive person who just wants to please and I can't believe they'd do this to me. I'm devastated.

Call your union and ask for casework assistance

Teachergoing · 08/12/2024 16:38

cantthinkofausername26 · 08/12/2024 11:27

Unfortunately OP this seems to be a very common way to offload teachers these days. SLT stick together, they have 1000 policies they can refer to for whatever your argument may be. I've learnt its best to just get out. Currently planning my escape.

Oh yes, they've already accused me of not following a policy ...

God I just feel sick and I want to cry and cry. I'm a very quiet, sensitive person who just wants to please and I can't believe they'd do this to me. I'm devastated.

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caringcarer · 08/12/2024 13:45

Teachergoing · 07/12/2024 09:13

How long did you manage to stay off on the sick pay for? I understand that GPs will sign off for two weeks initially, but how do you get them to do it for a long period of time?

GP's will sometimes sign off for a month in the first instance if you tell them you are feeling under a lot of work placed stress and being bullied at work and it makes you feel low of mood and harder to concentrate. A month off might make you feel better. If you feel stressed go to your GP first, then speak to your union.

caringcarer · 08/12/2024 13:40

x2boys · 06/12/2024 21:21

Sounds awful my sister went through something similar, she was managed out because she was the longest serving staff member and therefore very expensive
Fortunately she's found a role in early help that have utilised her transferable skills, she's taken a pay cut buy is a lot happier

It's common to manage out Heads of Department who are long serving and those past the P6 threshold. I worked at a school where 4 different P6+ staff were managed out including one who retired early and all replaced with NQT's or teachers with 1 or 2 years experience. It's terrible to think good teachers are treated like this after years of service, and often towards the end of their careers, but it happens.

Clarabellasingsthisbit · 08/12/2024 13:26

I echo everything said by PPs;please get in touch with your union at first light tomorrow.

After a while,your absence will trigger a meeting with OH. The doctors in OH have sadly seen all this before but their written report after your consultation will be an important piece of evidence of the state that you've been left in and will highlight that reasonable adjustments have not been made.

I wish you all the best.Look after yourself🤗

Iceache · 08/12/2024 12:55

mugglewump · 08/12/2024 11:41

I've been there and you have my full sympathy. People are not promoted in education because they are good leaders/people managers (managing a class of kids is completely different to managing colleagues and they just don't get this) and this leads to all sorts of problems. When I was being pushed out, I spoke with my union and could evidence half of what was being said were lies. But then I decided that even if I got the bad judgement recinded, I didn't want to be there anyway. I left and went on supply, initially as a stop gap, but here I am 7 years later still on supply with a thriving tutoring business on the side. Just leave. Do a bit of supply and tutoring whilst you recover from the toxicity of your school and then plan your next step. Good luck!

I think this is an unfair trope though. Every SLT member in my school (including my head) has been promoted because they are genuinely good at their job (including teaching classes, infact my head does regularly teach!). You’ll find management in every sector who have been promoted for the wrong reasons, but schools are not full of these, and I don’t think peddling that is helpful at all. The OP needs support but also realistic responses and there are lovely schools out there. Yes, some of us have had bad experiences, but you can recover your career!