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Freeloading CF school mum- class teacher Christmas gift - private school edition

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FedUpOFTightCF · 06/12/2024 20:16

My child is in a small class of 10 at a fee paying prep school - There is no financial assistance available, all parents pay the full fees. I'm the class rep and for the past three years we have been doing a whip round to buy some vouchers for the class teacher for Christmas. £20 per family. Every other parent manages to cough up without numerous reminders – for the past 2 years CF has been too “disorganised” to transfer the funds over but wants the card to be from “year 3”, at this point I've had enough. Mrs CF is notorious amongst the parents for wanting freebies ( can those of us with skills work unpaid for her, lend items ). free lifts and childcare and not reciprocating.

My child came from reception in a a state school where I would be aware of financial and other challenges for families preventing them from contributing to Christmas collections . Is not the case here. I'm off to buy the gift vouchers this weekend - planning to sign it from the other nine children and not from CF’s child - after four reminders - she's on WhatsApp all the time and busy posting in other school related groups I'm fed up of the rest of us subsidising her. Money doesn't appear to be an issue when she's going out for dinner or drinks with the other parents, just when it's time for the class collection year after year.As you can tell I'm not sympathetic. Has anyone else dealt with this and has some tips? Thank you

OP posts:
MrsTerryPratchett · 07/12/2024 01:18

pollyglot · 07/12/2024 00:45

Surprisingly, I have always valued the relationship my child has built up with the person who spends more waking hours during the working week with him than I. A gift is not a tip, nor a bribe, as has been suggested. It is an acknowledgement of the rapport, and indeed affection, than has grown up between human beings who spend so much time together. A teacher gives so much of him/herself - it is not merely a cool professional arrangement, and to equate it with that of a customer/checkout operator is risible.

And I have a respectful, friendly, appreciative relationship with them. Bunging ever-increasing amount of cash in a voucher is just vulgar.

LondonLawyer · 07/12/2024 01:08

Sunhatweather · 06/12/2024 20:49

Wow - my DC have been through preps and still at independents and I’ve never been asked to pay as much as £20. We were asked to contribute what we wanted from £5+, with the usual being £10.
I’d be organising my own present!
I don’t think it should be assumed that private school parents don’t have money worries and can cough up £20. Private school can make parents very cash poor!
I’d be sending her a message to say ‘deadline for contributions is X. If you wish to be included in the card, please could you pay by x latest’. I’d then send the card from everyone anyway, so the child isn’t excluded, but she will not know this.

Younger son is at a private primary. The suggested donation is £50. The last couple of times we've said thanks-but-no-thanks and our name's not on it. Doesn't bother me, We give a separate present.

Jellybeanz456 · 07/12/2024 00:56

FedUpOFTightCF · 06/12/2024 20:40

@MJMJMJMJ - a small child who has been welcomed into my home many times and for treats (not reciprocated)

And that's the child's fault how??

Gustavo1 · 07/12/2024 00:48

Self important rubbish. Just sign the card from the class and use the money for a voucher. Don’t make work, stress and bother for yourself by chasing people. It really couldn’t matter less!

pollyglot · 07/12/2024 00:45

Surprisingly, I have always valued the relationship my child has built up with the person who spends more waking hours during the working week with him than I. A gift is not a tip, nor a bribe, as has been suggested. It is an acknowledgement of the rapport, and indeed affection, than has grown up between human beings who spend so much time together. A teacher gives so much of him/herself - it is not merely a cool professional arrangement, and to equate it with that of a customer/checkout operator is risible.

pollyglot · 07/12/2024 00:35

Merrymess · Today 00:19

pollyglot · Today 00:14
Why didn't you make that point then, that teachers are no more deserving than anyone of a tip, and that the practice should be outlawed?

I did make the point.

Where was that, then?

Merrymess · 07/12/2024 00:19

pollyglot · 07/12/2024 00:14

Why didn't you make that point then, that teachers are no more deserving than anyone of a tip, and that the practice should be outlawed?

I did make the point.

MrsTerryPratchett · 07/12/2024 00:19

pollyglot · 07/12/2024 00:14

Why didn't you make that point then, that teachers are no more deserving than anyone of a tip, and that the practice should be outlawed?

I know the thread is about a private school, but the reason I don't think 'tipping' teachers is right is because they are government employees with a great deal of power.

Should we tip social workers? Doctors (who are more likely to be self-employed)? Council housing workers who make decisions about housing? It should all be frowned upon because bribing your hairdresser to do a good job or your waiter to be quick is fine. Bribing a government employee is not.

When it was a cute card or a pencil from the child, it's a token. Now it's a voucher for several hundred quid. Not OK.

pollyglot · 07/12/2024 00:14

Why didn't you make that point then, that teachers are no more deserving than anyone of a tip, and that the practice should be outlawed?

Merrymess · 07/12/2024 00:11

pollyglot · 07/12/2024 00:07

Merrymess · Yesterday 23:47

pollyglot · Yesterday 23:45
Just curious, those who have said $20 is excessive for a teacher's gift... what do people tip their hairdresser each time they have their hair done? Or isn't that a thing these days? 5 quid, 4 times a year, for example? Do parents not realise just how hard their child's teacher works to do their utmost for their kid? Is it not worth the same acknowledgement?

They get paid to do their job. They don't do it for free.

Well well well, who knew? Thanks for the information. So can you point me to your hairdresser who does not get paid? I'll happily tip them $5 for a free "do".

What about the 100s of other workers? Do you tip the supermarket checkout staff? The nurse? The Dr? The bus driver?etc They are not worthy of your generosity?

spirit20 · 07/12/2024 00:11

rookiemere · 06/12/2024 20:27

Do this if you want, but I doubt the teacher will work out the subtle message and you are giving yourself a load of extra effort and will make it awkward to spend the vouchers- aren't most of them plastic cards these days anyhow.

As a teacher, I think this is a really nice idea. The messages will mean far more to the teacher than the money will. To be honest, I'd recommend doing this even if everyone does contribute. Trust me, the teacher won't care less if it makes it slightly more awkward to spend them - the cards will be what he/she treasures for years to come.

pollyglot · 07/12/2024 00:07

Merrymess · Yesterday 23:47

pollyglot · Yesterday 23:45
Just curious, those who have said $20 is excessive for a teacher's gift... what do people tip their hairdresser each time they have their hair done? Or isn't that a thing these days? 5 quid, 4 times a year, for example? Do parents not realise just how hard their child's teacher works to do their utmost for their kid? Is it not worth the same acknowledgement?

They get paid to do their job. They don't do it for free.

Well well well, who knew? Thanks for the information. So can you point me to your hairdresser who does not get paid? I'll happily tip them $5 for a free "do".

runofbadluck · 07/12/2024 00:06

Moonpig now have an option were you can send a link to all of the parents so each child can write their own message to the teacher in the group card. The onus is on her then… If she doesn’t contribute then she can’t write a message.

www.moonpig.com/uk/group-cards/

brbg2g · 07/12/2024 00:02

It's not the child's fault the parent hasn't contributed. Don't punish the child for the parent's actions. Put the child's name on the card.

AntigoneFunn · 06/12/2024 23:57

On one hand people seem to expect teachers to put up with all manner of crap from parents and children alike, and then say that giving them £200 as a thank you is 'wild'.
Teachers are leaving the industry in droves and if you've got a good one, I don't think that's excessive as a thank you.

OP, don't single out the child in any way, but if I were you I would continue to politely and doggedly ask the mum and/or dad for the money via WhatsApp to make a point.

SouthLondonMum22 · 06/12/2024 23:55

I think it's incredibly mean to leave off one child's name. It isn't their fault, it's their parents fault.

Just put from ''Year 4''.

Merrymess · 06/12/2024 23:48

MrsTerryPratchett · 06/12/2024 23:42

That's over a GRAND. In a state primary. That's insane.

Not a chance I would give 40 quid,

Merrymess · 06/12/2024 23:47

pollyglot · 06/12/2024 23:45

Just curious, those who have said $20 is excessive for a teacher's gift... what do people tip their hairdresser each time they have their hair done? Or isn't that a thing these days? 5 quid, 4 times a year, for example? Do parents not realise just how hard their child's teacher works to do their utmost for their kid? Is it not worth the same acknowledgement?

They get paid to do their job. They don't do it for free.

Paddymcpaddy · 06/12/2024 23:45

Anotherworrier · 06/12/2024 23:18

That’s pathetic.

When I took over the organising of ours the parent who used to do it told me to keep a record of who donated and to ask for £5, and remind people to bring more if they weee ‘short’
laughed in his wanker banker face.

pollyglot · 06/12/2024 23:45

Just curious, those who have said $20 is excessive for a teacher's gift... what do people tip their hairdresser each time they have their hair done? Or isn't that a thing these days? 5 quid, 4 times a year, for example? Do parents not realise just how hard their child's teacher works to do their utmost for their kid? Is it not worth the same acknowledgement?

MrsTerryPratchett · 06/12/2024 23:42

DarkAndTwisties · 06/12/2024 22:51

Our state primary is doing £40 / child. I did think it was quite a bit but didn’t want to be the one complaining when the 30 other families weren’t.

That's absolutely loads. I bet loads of people were hoping someone else would say something first, and would then have agreed it was too much.

That's over a GRAND. In a state primary. That's insane.

AGoingConcern · 06/12/2024 23:37

I fully understand the frustration with a pattern of freeloading from this mum. By all means, call this mum out directly when she oversteps asking for others to do free labor for her or “lend” things. I certainly don’t blame you for being miffed about that incident with the event with the unfulfilled promise of wine.

But the class gift and leaving one child’s name off is absolutely not the right place to take a stand against it, IMO. This gift is about the teacher feeling appreciate by their students, so don’t use it to make a point about another mum. If you want to make sure each child gets “credit” for their gift next year and no one is freeloading then just let everyone do their own gift rather than volunteering to organize a gift from the class.

MumblesParty · 06/12/2024 23:36

£20!!! Holy shit that’s insane!
If I was a teacher I’d be embarrassed to get a gift of such magnitude.

Haggia · 06/12/2024 23:31

£20!!!!!

God I hated bloody collections 😫

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Allthehorsesintheworld · 06/12/2024 23:26

Penguinated · 06/12/2024 20:23

Get the vouchers in separate £20 vouchers. Ask the parents on thr WhatsApp group to ask their child for a favourite thing about their teacher so you can put it on the back of "their" voucher. That way it looks like you are doing something sweet for the teacher rather than "mean" by signing 9 names....

Genius !!!

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