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To report this receptionist?

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Ezlo · 06/12/2024 18:26

Today I had to call in at my surgery to get blood bags.

I had to queue for a while to get seen to and when I did, the receptionist didn't smile, she didn't apologise for the long wait and then couldn't find on the system why I needed the blood to be taken. Her colleague eventually helped and after more faffing, I got my blood bag. She had a sour face throughout.

There were two other staff members Sat who were only taking prescription requests or arriving people in for their appointments but were mostly sat without any patients.

By that point I had just missed the hourly bus to where the bloods where being taken and had to walk about a mile all up hill whilst severly anaemic.

This is the same clinic where you can only book an appointment by going in to surgery at 8am each weekday or by using the online triage which is accessible from 8am to around 9.15am each weekday. If you work those times then you don't get an appointment. They refuse to give appointments by phone.

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Ezlo · 08/12/2024 20:24

Pussycatmom · 08/12/2024 13:06

Grow up. People like you are tedious.

Is that all you came on to say?

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Pussycatmom · 08/12/2024 13:06

Grow up. People like you are tedious.

PureBoggin · 08/12/2024 13:04

ZippyDoodle · 08/12/2024 09:45

Yes, I completely agree with this.

However, there are so many poor managers these days. New staff get chucked and expected to cope with little or no training. Existing staff bear the brunt. Rather than get support they get told off for getting hacked off with with high workloads and poor processes.

Been there. I don't put up with it anymore and would walk away.

I agree with you about there being a problem at all levels (especially) within the NHS. But this is why it is even more important for patients to be feeding back their experiences.

Many GP services, although funded by the NHS, are run as independent entities. So poor management is much easier to identify if patients are highlighting it because there is no where to hide.

ZippyDoodle · 08/12/2024 09:45

PureBoggin · 07/12/2024 21:30

She literally couldn't do the task she was asked to do and had to be helped. She didn't acknowledge any of this. That's literally poor service.

In her shoes I would have acknowledged the patients wait. I would have acknowledged that I was struggling to find her information. I would have acknowledged I needed to get help from another member of staff. And then I would have apologised.

Framing it as "reporting her" is wrong. But as a manager I'd want to know this happened so I can support her to provide better service and to make sure she's ok.

Yes, I completely agree with this.

However, there are so many poor managers these days. New staff get chucked and expected to cope with little or no training. Existing staff bear the brunt. Rather than get support they get told off for getting hacked off with with high workloads and poor processes.

Been there. I don't put up with it anymore and would walk away.

PureBoggin · 07/12/2024 22:51

TroysMammy · 07/12/2024 22:11

Considering staff turnover is high in this line of work and training is on the job she might have been new.

And that's absolutely fine. In that case, she could have said that. The vast majority of people understand that people who are new in a job need to be trained. But patients aren't mind readers and when they are full of cortisol and adrenaline they really don't always have the capacity to distinguish between a trainee and an incompetent, surly staff member. A simple, "I'm so sorry for your wait. I'm a new staff member and I'm still getting the hang of this computer system. Please bear with me while I grab someone to help me get you sorted more quickly", would have solved all of this.

TroysMammy · 07/12/2024 22:11

PureBoggin · 07/12/2024 21:30

She literally couldn't do the task she was asked to do and had to be helped. She didn't acknowledge any of this. That's literally poor service.

In her shoes I would have acknowledged the patients wait. I would have acknowledged that I was struggling to find her information. I would have acknowledged I needed to get help from another member of staff. And then I would have apologised.

Framing it as "reporting her" is wrong. But as a manager I'd want to know this happened so I can support her to provide better service and to make sure she's ok.

Considering staff turnover is high in this line of work and training is on the job she might have been new.

Lighteningstrikes · 07/12/2024 22:00

She’s in the wrong job. It happens unfortunately.
Just be glad you’re not a sour puss yourself.

VegTrug · 07/12/2024 21:40

You sound exceptionally entitled

PureBoggin · 07/12/2024 21:30

She literally couldn't do the task she was asked to do and had to be helped. She didn't acknowledge any of this. That's literally poor service.

In her shoes I would have acknowledged the patients wait. I would have acknowledged that I was struggling to find her information. I would have acknowledged I needed to get help from another member of staff. And then I would have apologised.

Framing it as "reporting her" is wrong. But as a manager I'd want to know this happened so I can support her to provide better service and to make sure she's ok.

DowntonFlabbie · 07/12/2024 21:03

I don't think it was poor service, is the point you missed. You think it was poor service because she wasn't smiley and soothing.

PureBoggin · 07/12/2024 20:57

When asked if you would be happy to accept poor service you said that you would be happy if they were doing it "to the best of their ability". But not everyone's ability level is the same. The receptionist in the OP may have been working to the "best of her ability" but that is not good enough for the role. Not everyone can do every job. That's ok.

I hope that's clearer for you and that you manage to find a less aggressive way to express your confusion in future. It's always ok to ask for clarification if you don't understand what someone has said.

DowntonFlabbie · 07/12/2024 20:46

PureBoggin · 07/12/2024 20:35

There is a difference between not smiling and scowling. Humans are capable of many, many facial expressions. Most people who work in customer facing roles should have a warm, neutral expression. No one with any sense would expect her to be grinning from ear to ear... In the context of a GP that would be inappropriate. But it is also inappropriate and unprofessional to make patients or clients feel uncomfortable with a negative expression. It really is the most basic part of this job.

I also don't believe that you do expect people to do a job "to the best of their ability". If I decided I wanted to be your surgeon the "best of my ability" would kill you. If you paid a hundred pounds to go and see a concert pianist but when you got there it was Grade two student playing to "the best of their ability", you would ask for a refund. I bet you actually want people to do a job that they are adequately trained for, with the appropriate skills and that they are temperamentally suited for.

And when people in customer facing roles apologise they are not apologising for the policies and structures that have caused the problem. They are acknowledging the clients' negative experiences, showing empathy and opening up a conversation which is likely to result in a better experience for the patient and the receptionist.

Are you high?! You think a surgeon working to the best if their ability is somehow bad? A trained expert doing their best work is to your mind a negative? And somehow deadly?
I have zero idea what you are wittering about here

PureBoggin · 07/12/2024 20:35

DowntonFlabbie · 07/12/2024 20:09

I expect people to do their job to the best of their ability. I do not expect them.to apologize from r things outside their control and I don't expect them to smile if they don't want to.smile.

It's really fucking weird that so many of you expect that to the point that you think it's reasonable to make an actual complaint that she didn't smile enough. Creepy AF.

And I'm literally the opposite of the difficult customer, clearly. You're very confused as to what difficult means. Im the one asking for nothing, you're the ones demanding specific facial expressions!!

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There is a difference between not smiling and scowling. Humans are capable of many, many facial expressions. Most people who work in customer facing roles should have a warm, neutral expression. No one with any sense would expect her to be grinning from ear to ear... In the context of a GP that would be inappropriate. But it is also inappropriate and unprofessional to make patients or clients feel uncomfortable with a negative expression. It really is the most basic part of this job.

I also don't believe that you do expect people to do a job "to the best of their ability". If I decided I wanted to be your surgeon the "best of my ability" would kill you. If you paid a hundred pounds to go and see a concert pianist but when you got there it was Grade two student playing to "the best of their ability", you would ask for a refund. I bet you actually want people to do a job that they are adequately trained for, with the appropriate skills and that they are temperamentally suited for.

And when people in customer facing roles apologise they are not apologising for the policies and structures that have caused the problem. They are acknowledging the clients' negative experiences, showing empathy and opening up a conversation which is likely to result in a better experience for the patient and the receptionist.

GranPepper · 07/12/2024 20:18

DowntonFlabbie · 07/12/2024 20:09

I expect people to do their job to the best of their ability. I do not expect them.to apologize from r things outside their control and I don't expect them to smile if they don't want to.smile.

It's really fucking weird that so many of you expect that to the point that you think it's reasonable to make an actual complaint that she didn't smile enough. Creepy AF.

And I'm literally the opposite of the difficult customer, clearly. You're very confused as to what difficult means. Im the one asking for nothing, you're the ones demanding specific facial expressions!!

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To repeat others before, OP is not complaining about the lack of a smile. I am just going to ignore you now as you are exceptionally rude. There is no need to be offensive and swear at someone just because they differ from your view. Maybe consider whether you need some kind of therapy to deal with what appears to be anger/aggression issues. Good luck

DowntonFlabbie · 07/12/2024 20:09

GranPepper · 07/12/2024 17:03

Do you expect people to deal with you reasonably or are you happy to be dealt with in an offhand/unconcerned/uncaring manner? We are talking about the nhs here. As far as I know, everyone in nhs has training to have some empathy for another person. I hope you are not in any job that has to show someone else any element of concern. You present as the kind of "difficult person" I had to deal with in my job but I still treated them correctly.

I expect people to do their job to the best of their ability. I do not expect them.to apologize from r things outside their control and I don't expect them to smile if they don't want to.smile.

It's really fucking weird that so many of you expect that to the point that you think it's reasonable to make an actual complaint that she didn't smile enough. Creepy AF.

And I'm literally the opposite of the difficult customer, clearly. You're very confused as to what difficult means. Im the one asking for nothing, you're the ones demanding specific facial expressions!!

GranPepper · 07/12/2024 18:28

PureBoggin · 07/12/2024 17:34

She wasn't just "not warm enough", she wasn't able to complete the task without help and offered no customer service. As an employer and service provider I would want to know about this.

  1. So that I can check in and make sure she has received all the training she needs to carry out the tasks of her role.
  2. To check in with her and make sure she is emotionally coping with what can be a very difficult and triggering role, and if not, to provide her with the support required or sign-post her to more appropriate support.
  3. To understand if there is a wider pattern of behaviour within the reception team and to keep an eye on the culture there.

I welcome complaints. If someone complains directly to me then I have the opportunity to do something to fix it both for the staff as outlined above, but also for the client or patient. If they don't tell me, they tell their friends, they tell the town facebook group, they tell Mumsnet and I don't get to fix it.

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PureBoggin · 07/12/2024 17:34

She wasn't just "not warm enough", she wasn't able to complete the task without help and offered no customer service. As an employer and service provider I would want to know about this.

  1. So that I can check in and make sure she has received all the training she needs to carry out the tasks of her role.
  2. To check in with her and make sure she is emotionally coping with what can be a very difficult and triggering role, and if not, to provide her with the support required or sign-post her to more appropriate support.
  3. To understand if there is a wider pattern of behaviour within the reception team and to keep an eye on the culture there.

I welcome complaints. If someone complains directly to me then I have the opportunity to do something to fix it both for the staff as outlined above, but also for the client or patient. If they don't tell me, they tell their friends, they tell the town facebook group, they tell Mumsnet and I don't get to fix it.

GridlockonMain · 07/12/2024 17:13

Reporting her for not being warm enough would be a huge overreaction. Not everyone has amazing days all the time, but it wasn’t her fault you were so tight for time that a normal, fairly short delay made things very difficult for you. Just let this one go and next time leave yourself more time for the job.

PureBoggin · 07/12/2024 17:10

Hoppinggreen · 07/12/2024 16:58

The Receptionist needs to be efficient and professional, thats all.
She's not a performing seal

And in this case (according to OP) she was neither. If being compassionate, efficient and professional is akin to "doing tricks" then the NHS is a much sorrier state than I thought.

GranPepper · 07/12/2024 17:03

DowntonFlabbie · 07/12/2024 16:53

Christ no, I couldn't cope with all you whiners and foot stampers, I don't deal with people. People are awful.

Do you expect people to deal with you reasonably or are you happy to be dealt with in an offhand/unconcerned/uncaring manner? We are talking about the nhs here. As far as I know, everyone in nhs has training to have some empathy for another person. I hope you are not in any job that has to show someone else any element of concern. You present as the kind of "difficult person" I had to deal with in my job but I still treated them correctly.

fivebyfivebuffy · 07/12/2024 17:02

@Technonan I'm not rural - I'm in a city. Even when my blood needs doing for my Manchester hospital, it's a form

PureBoggin · 07/12/2024 16:59

DowntonFlabbie · 07/12/2024 16:52

She's not trained to show compassion and concern. She's not your counsellor. She's not paid to smile at you.
She's paid to.do her job, her face can look however she likes.

I disagree. As a first point of contact for distressed people it IS her job to be compassionate, warm and friendly. It is not her job to be a Pollyanna and in fact that would be entirely inappropriate. I work in a similar field and if someone couldn't cope with being front line in this way, I would move them out of that role and into an administrative role behind the scenes. Not everyone is equipped for it and that's ok.

Hoppinggreen · 07/12/2024 16:58

The Receptionist needs to be efficient and professional, thats all.
She's not a performing seal

GranPepper · 07/12/2024 16:56

DowntonFlabbie · 07/12/2024 16:52

She's not trained to show compassion and concern. She's not your counsellor. She's not paid to smile at you.
She's paid to.do her job, her face can look however she likes.

Gosh

DowntonFlabbie · 07/12/2024 16:53

GranPepper · 07/12/2024 14:45

How rude - are you the receptionist?

Christ no, I couldn't cope with all you whiners and foot stampers, I don't deal with people. People are awful.