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To be absolutely furious with my father?

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PortaSix · 06/12/2024 13:51

My father and is wife are both in their 50’s and are having another baby. None of my business, it’s not what I would want to do but it’s up to them.

We were at a family gathering and the subject of death came up and what would happen with our children. My dad then announced “oh I just assumed Porta would take them in”

Like, wtf?! Did he not think this was a conversation to have BEFORE having babies in old age? They have a 10 year old, a 3 year old and now another one on the way.

I’ve had my babies. I had mine in my early 20’s so that my 40 my kids will be grown. I do not want to take on any ther children. I am so mad that he just thought I would take on his children like this without any sort of discussion. Aibu?

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Doubledenim305 · 07/12/2024 23:22

Berlinlover · 06/12/2024 18:21

@adriftinadenofvipers Any of my aunts or uncles. My grandmother’s parents died when she was 8 and her aunt and uncle raised her and her sister after that. Luckily for my grandmother her extended family weren’t like the majority of people on this thread.

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I hear you, but I think the main beef people have is that the father just presumed his daughter would look after his child. It's a mammoth task to raise a kid and tbh you have to have a heart to do it. I have had kids just dumped on me to raise. And I love them and have a heart for it so it's a huge blessing as I adore the kids. But someone else is trying to dump their out of control teenager on me now and I don't want to do it. So I'm not going to. But there's a lot of pressure! Other people can't put that on you. You got to want to do it.
So my point is the OP doesn't want to do it..so that's ok. Hopefully there will be someone who will if the need arose. The dad is totally wrong to just think that ahe would do that without even having the respect to ask her how she would feel about it first. She's her own person and allowed to say no.
That's my tuppence worth 👍

Doubledenim305 · 07/12/2024 23:14

Wellingtonspie · 06/12/2024 14:05

Indeed if my mother suddenly plopped another kid out I would certainly not be taking it in.

I stopped at three for a reason and had them at an certain age for a reason. Not to end up raising a sibling because my elderly mother suddenly wanted another go at parenthood.

And yes I would take in my child’s child. That would be an unexpected death but an old person dying is pretty expected.

"Plopped" 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Calliopespa · 07/12/2024 22:05

Jooleigh · 07/12/2024 21:23

Why do people keep saying it's a medical miracle?
Because if it is why am I still taking a contraceptive pill at 54? Oh yeah, because I'm still having periods.
& it would also be extremely selfish to become parents in our 50s & expect my adult children to look after them if something happens.

I agree. I’ve known several women ( all friends of my mum) who got unexpectedly pregnant in their fifties. It’s no miracle; it’s just not heard of so much because all of them decided they were too far along the path of life to keep the pregnancy, and none of them spoke widely about it, including in two cases not even telling their grown Dc. (One had a dd getting married and didn’t want to be heavily pregnant at her wedding. It was just as well actually as ironically the DD had huge fertility issues over the next few years which she found very traumatic and would have found it very hard if her mum had a young baby/toddler.) Eta of course I don’t know the pregnancies would have resulted in a healthy birth; but that’s not why they ended

Ladyingreen999 · 07/12/2024 21:56

BrightonFrock · 07/12/2024 20:44

So what you’re saying is that the OP should have TWO plans in place, in case her nominated guardians for her children pre-decease her - yet it’s for her father to have none?

Erm no, I asked a simple questions. If the OP would be fine with her dad refusing to look after her kids if he was the only family member able to, then she has every right to refuse too. But somehow I doubt the answer to this question is yes.

ItoldyouIwassick · 07/12/2024 21:48

allthatfalafel · 06/12/2024 22:57

Interestingly 50s were old age for the vast majority of human existence, since on average people didn't start making it to 60 until the 1930s.

Lifespans have increased due to a number of factors, including better nutrition and advances in healthcare.

Still, women had been having children well into their 40s prior to these advances. And of course men were fathering children well beyond that too.

Coffeeandcake32 · 07/12/2024 21:47

Crikey I'm with you OP no way would i be responsible. As a side note, I feel exhausted at the thought of having kids in my 50s!!! Are they super fit and healthy? I found it tiring enough at 28 🤣

HappyMe6 · 07/12/2024 21:47

Totally agree with SnoopyDoggyDog what the hell

echt · 07/12/2024 21:33

Ladyingreen999 · 07/12/2024 19:54

If those arrangements fell through then (due to illness/death etc).

Soo putting the boot into the OP. Hmm

ItoldyouIwassick · 07/12/2024 21:30

PortaSix · 06/12/2024 13:55

There are other older relatives, but I just don’t understand why they haven’t put thought into this. They know they are older parents, this should have been a big discussions for them.

Who did you choose to care for your children if you were to die?

MiddleClassWomanOfACertainAge · 07/12/2024 21:29

Tralalalal · 07/12/2024 21:26

i don’t see a shred of motherly instinct on this thread where the majority of you so called mothers would happily watch your siblings be thrown into a care system because “I’ve had my babies already”… I cannot imagine being so cold towards another child never mind one that shares my DNA. You’re all WILD (except from the 2% that would agree with me)

Some of us are not mothers ( 'so called' or otherwise) and have every intention of keeping it that way.

Tralalalal · 07/12/2024 21:26

i don’t see a shred of motherly instinct on this thread where the majority of you so called mothers would happily watch your siblings be thrown into a care system because “I’ve had my babies already”… I cannot imagine being so cold towards another child never mind one that shares my DNA. You’re all WILD (except from the 2% that would agree with me)

Jooleigh · 07/12/2024 21:23

Why do people keep saying it's a medical miracle?
Because if it is why am I still taking a contraceptive pill at 54? Oh yeah, because I'm still having periods.
& it would also be extremely selfish to become parents in our 50s & expect my adult children to look after them if something happens.

Calliopespa · 07/12/2024 20:53

Lotsofsnacks · 07/12/2024 20:49

Why won’t your dad be giving you inheritance? Did he say this? And the younger siblings will get the lions share? And after saying this he wants you to bring them up if both parents die?

That was the impression I got! No wonder she’s fed up.

I do think you owe it to him to tell him though op. Every parent, no matter how tough it is, has to have this conversation with the people they would hope would step up. And if they haven’t had the conversation and got a yes, they haven’t got it sorted. In his case, the conversation would yield a “no.” You need to tell him.

Lotsofsnacks · 07/12/2024 20:49

PortaSix · 06/12/2024 16:43

They have lots of money. They’re both doctors (ironically!)

They’ve already made it pretty clear I won’t be inheriting much from my dad so I don’t really know what to think. It’s not a conversation I can be assed to have. I’m going to tell them that if they were being serious then it’s a no. My husband and I have plans for when our children are grown. We have bought property for our 2 children so they don’t need to worry and they can move out at 18 and go to uni and live their lives. I can’t take on extra kids which is why we decided to stop at 2.

Why won’t your dad be giving you inheritance? Did he say this? And the younger siblings will get the lions share? And after saying this he wants you to bring them up if both parents die?

BrightonFrock · 07/12/2024 20:44

Ladyingreen999 · 07/12/2024 19:54

If those arrangements fell through then (due to illness/death etc).

So what you’re saying is that the OP should have TWO plans in place, in case her nominated guardians for her children pre-decease her - yet it’s for her father to have none?

BrightonFrock · 07/12/2024 20:41

AnnaFrith · 07/12/2024 17:03

I would bet money that most people with young children don't have wills.

Really? Why would you bet that? Surely most people with dependents think about what would happen if they weren’t around?

housethatbuiltme · 07/12/2024 20:27

AnnaFrith · 07/12/2024 17:03

I would bet money that most people with young children don't have wills.

Statistic say 56% don't have a will.

Many of those that do might not be legal either, I have unfortunately lost most my family and found several of their wills had silly mistakes and did not meet legal criteria and could not be 'legally' upheld despite being drawn up by solicitors/will companies.

That said you can say 'I leave my kids to x' but the courts cannot force 'x' to take guardianship anyway.

Its also mind blowingly amazing the amount of people that think 'god parents' automatically get custody of the children if parents die... which is not and never has been true.

housethatbuiltme · 07/12/2024 20:20

PortaSix · 06/12/2024 20:33

Where the fuck are you getting this idea that I have a day over someone else’s fertility? You sound literally insane.

Erm... this ENTIRE post.

You are literally posting slagging of their family planning and making it all about you and your opinions on how being an older parent is being 'selfish'.

'I think risking not being there for those big milestones is inherently selfish'

Despite the fact that they could easily have another 40 years left just as a 20 year old with a newborn might get hit by a bus.

Ladyingreen999 · 07/12/2024 19:54

WearyAuldWumman · 07/12/2024 19:51

The OP has already stated that she has put arrangements in place for her own children.

If those arrangements fell through then (due to illness/death etc).

WearyAuldWumman · 07/12/2024 19:51

Ladyingreen999 · 07/12/2024 19:43

Actually if your dad is in your 50s and you in your 30s or whatever then your children aren't even adults yet. So I'd rephrase my question as: if anything happened and your mum/other relatives weren't able to help, would you be absolutely fine with your dad putting your kids into care?

The OP has already stated that she has put arrangements in place for her own children.

Dibbydoos · 07/12/2024 19:50

He should have discussed it with you and consider other options because it sounds like you are not open to this should anything happen to your DF and DSM.

Ladyingreen999 · 07/12/2024 19:43

Actually if your dad is in your 50s and you in your 30s or whatever then your children aren't even adults yet. So I'd rephrase my question as: if anything happened and your mum/other relatives weren't able to help, would you be absolutely fine with your dad putting your kids into care?

Ladyingreen999 · 07/12/2024 19:32

Would you have expected your family to look after your kids if anything happened to you when they were younger? If you can honestly say you'd have had no issue with them ending up in care then yeah, say no.

adriftinadenofvipers · 07/12/2024 19:30

WearyAuldWumman · 07/12/2024 02:23

I’m coming up for 65. I wouldn’t mind so much if my knees worked!

My knees and the rest!!

PorridgeEater · 07/12/2024 19:29

"Nikitaspearlearring · Yesterday 13:59
In your situation, the DW would have to become incapable of looking after them, as well as your dad. It's very unlikely to happen. He should've talked to you before mentioning it, but sounds as if he was put on the spot."

"lenpea · Yesterday 14:01
If they are in their 50s, chances are that at least one of them will survive long enough for the baby to reach adulthood, so it's all hypothetical now and I wouldn't worry too much about it."

Sensible words here.
They have the right to make their own decisions and you are not committed to anything - so although it was annoying of him to say it, it's not worth you getting too upset over a spur-of-the-moment remark.