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To be absolutely furious with my father?

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PortaSix · 06/12/2024 13:51

My father and is wife are both in their 50’s and are having another baby. None of my business, it’s not what I would want to do but it’s up to them.

We were at a family gathering and the subject of death came up and what would happen with our children. My dad then announced “oh I just assumed Porta would take them in”

Like, wtf?! Did he not think this was a conversation to have BEFORE having babies in old age? They have a 10 year old, a 3 year old and now another one on the way.

I’ve had my babies. I had mine in my early 20’s so that my 40 my kids will be grown. I do not want to take on any ther children. I am so mad that he just thought I would take on his children like this without any sort of discussion. Aibu?

OP posts:
BrightonFrock · 06/12/2024 22:42

Berlinlover · 06/12/2024 18:06

My mum died when I was ten and my Dad was in very poor health at the time. He ended up living until I was 40 but if he passed away when I was still a child I would hate to think my brother and I would have ended up in care because no family member could be arsed to take us in.

“Be arsed”? Bloody hell - I’m childfree, but I have enough common sense to work out that having you own children is a massive commitment, never mind taking on someone else’s. “Can’t be arsed” is for when you don’t want to go out on a cold evening, or stick a ready meal in the microwave instead of cooking. To dismiss someone being reluctant to raise someone else’s child as mere laziness is ridiculous - and frankly offensive.

serendipity70 · 06/12/2024 22:34

Berlinlover · 06/12/2024 13:59

What if you died first and nobody wanted your children? How would you feel about that? These children are your siblings.

This is what I thought too

Snugglemonkey · 06/12/2024 22:07

JingleB · 06/12/2024 16:29

That's lovely and everything. Well done you. Give yourself a gold star.

I wouldn't want three extra kids dumped on me when mine had grown up because my late-middle-aged father and his wife can't make responsible choices about parenthood.

I might, in extremis, possibly take them in but I'd be rightly disgusted with their parents for not thinking through likely scenarios for elderly parenting.

I would not do it for gold stars. Your answer is just nasty and patronising. I may have feelings of disgust, but I would absolutely keep any child I care about out of the care system. Have you ever spoken to anyone who has been in care? I have. I might not want extra children, but I will never turn my back on a child who I could protect.

Pompeyssy · 06/12/2024 22:01

OP, your father is a selfish CF.

In your place, not a chance would I entertain this and I absolutely would clarify that whatever his formal plans are, not to include you.

3 children is an enormous responsibility and absolutely not something that you allow someone to foist on you.

How unbelievably presumptuous of him.

50 is very old to be having children.
I had my last at 42 and feel guilt over that being too old.

Whyherewego · 06/12/2024 22:00

PortaSix · 06/12/2024 20:32

I love my siblings, I do. But no, I will have done my time raising my own children and me and my husband are planning to go travelling and hopefully spend time with our grandchildren.

Also, these children will need their parents even after adulthood. I needed my mum during my pregnancy, my wedding, other shit that life has thrown at me. I think risking not being there for those big milestones is inherently selfish. But they are very much “money buys love” sort of people so I think that’s the only part they considered really.

I've got half siblings with an even bigger age gap. They're not really my siblings because the ages gap is too big. I don't have anything in common with a kid that's 7. I mean they're nice enough but they are like nieces and nephews not siblings.
I don't think it's unreasonable at all to say you wouldn't want to take them in event of death. It's a big commitment to take care of another child and your father should absolutely be thinking this through. My dad has asked me several times to help with childcare and I've refused every time. He never helped me once when my kids were small and so I don't feel the need to help him, he's got a good pension and he can afford to get babysitters.

MiddleClassWomanOfACertainAge · 06/12/2024 21:54

FestiveFruitloop · 06/12/2024 21:37

I was with you until you referred to the 50s as 'old age'.

One's fifties are not 'old age' in absolute terms, but in reproductive terms, they definitely are.

Ohnobackagain · 06/12/2024 21:52

@PortaSix I thought that was why people pick godparents!

Calliopespa · 06/12/2024 21:50

FestiveFruitloop · 06/12/2024 21:37

I was with you until you referred to the 50s as 'old age'.

It’s old to become a parent to a newborn though.

Calliopespa · 06/12/2024 21:47

angela1952 · 06/12/2024 18:22

My DD (30's) has two adopted children and she's told me that she had imagined that I would take them in if anything happened to her. I would not be unwilling to help with their upbringing, but realistically to take full responsibility would be insane, I'm 72 and would be 84 before my GS left school. I've not raised it with her yet, she has form for going off the handle, but at some stage I need to speak to her. She has to realise that she needs to sort something out.
If she took out life insurance so that we could employ someone experienced to help look after them it would make it more viable, but it would be a huge burden for me to take up.

The employment is actually a good idea.

Onlyvisiting · 06/12/2024 21:46

PortaSix · 06/12/2024 13:51

My father and is wife are both in their 50’s and are having another baby. None of my business, it’s not what I would want to do but it’s up to them.

We were at a family gathering and the subject of death came up and what would happen with our children. My dad then announced “oh I just assumed Porta would take them in”

Like, wtf?! Did he not think this was a conversation to have BEFORE having babies in old age? They have a 10 year old, a 3 year old and now another one on the way.

I’ve had my babies. I had mine in my early 20’s so that my 40 my kids will be grown. I do not want to take on any ther children. I am so mad that he just thought I would take on his children like this without any sort of discussion. Aibu?

You are not being unreasonable saying this should have been thought about already. Surely every responsible parent in minor children has life insurance, a will and people named as legal guardians that have BEEN ASKED? Aren't those just the very basic parent things?

HoppityBun · 06/12/2024 21:41

AnnaFrith · 06/12/2024 21:32

I'm not sure what you're furious about. They are both in their 50's, average life expectancy is around 80, so the chance of them both dying before the child is grown up is very small.

If any child were unfortunate enough to lose both their parents before they grew up, I'd hope their family members would step up and look after them, rather than let them go into the care of strangers.

“Not sure”? The OP says I am so mad that he just thought I would take on his children like this without any sort of discussion.

from whence comes your uncertainty @AnnaFrith ?

FestiveFruitloop · 06/12/2024 21:37

PortaSix · 06/12/2024 13:51

My father and is wife are both in their 50’s and are having another baby. None of my business, it’s not what I would want to do but it’s up to them.

We were at a family gathering and the subject of death came up and what would happen with our children. My dad then announced “oh I just assumed Porta would take them in”

Like, wtf?! Did he not think this was a conversation to have BEFORE having babies in old age? They have a 10 year old, a 3 year old and now another one on the way.

I’ve had my babies. I had mine in my early 20’s so that my 40 my kids will be grown. I do not want to take on any ther children. I am so mad that he just thought I would take on his children like this without any sort of discussion. Aibu?

I was with you until you referred to the 50s as 'old age'.

BruFord · 06/12/2024 21:34

AnnaFrith · 06/12/2024 21:32

I'm not sure what you're furious about. They are both in their 50's, average life expectancy is around 80, so the chance of them both dying before the child is grown up is very small.

If any child were unfortunate enough to lose both their parents before they grew up, I'd hope their family members would step up and look after them, rather than let them go into the care of strangers.

@AnnaFrith Not being asked is what the OP is furious about. It's basic manners to ask whether a family member is comfortable with being designated as your children's legal guardian.

AnnaFrith · 06/12/2024 21:32

I'm not sure what you're furious about. They are both in their 50's, average life expectancy is around 80, so the chance of them both dying before the child is grown up is very small.

If any child were unfortunate enough to lose both their parents before they grew up, I'd hope their family members would step up and look after them, rather than let them go into the care of strangers.

Calliopespa · 06/12/2024 21:27

MadnessIsMyMiddleName · 06/12/2024 21:09

I think that in order to be clear with your DF, I would put your feelings in writing OP, as if they haven't given any thought to what might happen in this scenario, before having another child, then the chances are that they will just think that they can continue to assume that you would do, what some people would refer to as, 'the right thing'.

It's really not unreasonable not to want to raise someone else's children, siblings or not, and definitely not, when the siblings were deliberately brought into the world after normal child bearing age, and by science rather than nature.

I’m not sure the “ by science” bit is fair. Ivf children don’t deserve less consideration than other children. BUT if you are having children later in life ( or actually at any stage) and counting on certain people as fallback should something happen to you, it’s reasonable to at least ask them, and not announce the expectation once the child is in the pipeline.

Calliopespa · 06/12/2024 21:25

EntropyCentral · 06/12/2024 20:55

It’s not really a decision though is it - What are the chances that they both pass away and it falls onto you? By the time your dad dies of old age (hopefully) then the children will be grown?

Yeah, it's pretty unlikely that that they would 'both' die before the children reach
adulthood. I'd take them on without a second thought tbh. Good to have children and relatives who will give a shit about you when you get old. You give a shit about them and perhaps they will give a shit about you.

Sometimes that applies in the reverse though.

I have friends whose fathers had second families they were a full time dad to. They were really only “sometimes dads” to my friends. To then expect those friends to be full time parents to their father’s Dc would be a cheek if you ask me, after he hadn’t done that for them. Not saying this is on all fours with Op’s situation, but it makes the point that caring and reciprocated care cuts both ways.

JohnTheRevelator · 06/12/2024 21:24

Good grief. What planet is he on?!

MadnessIsMyMiddleName · 06/12/2024 21:09

I think that in order to be clear with your DF, I would put your feelings in writing OP, as if they haven't given any thought to what might happen in this scenario, before having another child, then the chances are that they will just think that they can continue to assume that you would do, what some people would refer to as, 'the right thing'.

It's really not unreasonable not to want to raise someone else's children, siblings or not, and definitely not, when the siblings were deliberately brought into the world after normal child bearing age, and by science rather than nature.

rainydays03 · 06/12/2024 21:00

housethatbuiltme · 06/12/2024 20:28

Yeah, I only have half sibling but they very much ARE my sibling. I have the exact same relationship with them as people I know have with full siblings... why on earth wouldn't I.

My mam had 3 full sibling and 2 half siblings, she only got on with her half siblings.

Exactly this x

EntropyCentral · 06/12/2024 20:55

It’s not really a decision though is it - What are the chances that they both pass away and it falls onto you? By the time your dad dies of old age (hopefully) then the children will be grown?

Yeah, it's pretty unlikely that that they would 'both' die before the children reach
adulthood. I'd take them on without a second thought tbh. Good to have children and relatives who will give a shit about you when you get old. You give a shit about them and perhaps they will give a shit about you.

mumedu · 06/12/2024 20:46

Berlinlover · 06/12/2024 18:06

My mum died when I was ten and my Dad was in very poor health at the time. He ended up living until I was 40 but if he passed away when I was still a child I would hate to think my brother and I would have ended up in care because no family member could be arsed to take us in.

The context here is different though. 50 is too old to be starting a family. I am over 50 and started having kids in my mid 30s.

PortaSix · 06/12/2024 20:33

housethatbuiltme · 06/12/2024 20:26

But there NOT.

Its a throw away comment over an insane 'what if they both suddenly die' that has zero legal stance.

Do people here really think that say a meteor falls out of the sky and hits only the parents, the courts are going to force her against her will to look after 3 kids.

No, there literally nothing to be offended over, its all entirely made up but you absoloutly NEVER have a say over someone else's fertility.

Where the fuck are you getting this idea that I have a day over someone else’s fertility? You sound literally insane.

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Calliopespa · 06/12/2024 20:33

rainydays03 · 06/12/2024 20:20

I find this absolutely bizarre and a bit sad, that just because you don’t share the entirety of DNA you view them as a lesser family member?

Well I haven’t got any step siblings. But for me it isn’t as much about dna as upbringing. I have a number of friends who were, like op, much older half siblings and they were not brought up together in the home. They were essentially visitors to the younger siblings home and in those circumstances I don’t see the presumption that they would take them on in loco parentis as reasonable. I’m assuming op is in a similar situation, given she was shocked by the suggestion.

PortaSix · 06/12/2024 20:32

I love my siblings, I do. But no, I will have done my time raising my own children and me and my husband are planning to go travelling and hopefully spend time with our grandchildren.

Also, these children will need their parents even after adulthood. I needed my mum during my pregnancy, my wedding, other shit that life has thrown at me. I think risking not being there for those big milestones is inherently selfish. But they are very much “money buys love” sort of people so I think that’s the only part they considered really.

OP posts:
housethatbuiltme · 06/12/2024 20:28

rainydays03 · 06/12/2024 20:20

I find this absolutely bizarre and a bit sad, that just because you don’t share the entirety of DNA you view them as a lesser family member?

Yeah, I only have half sibling but they very much ARE my sibling. I have the exact same relationship with them as people I know have with full siblings... why on earth wouldn't I.

My mam had 3 full sibling and 2 half siblings, she only got on with her half siblings.