Man 42 dead from another dog attack

Yes, that's exactly how it works. Just measurements and looks.

Yes, ZOMBIEEEEEEEEEEE!

I’m so pissed off by this thread. Like my whole day has been ruined

Nor are XL Bullies, they are a ‘type’. Anything crossed with these or deemed to be of this type is covered under the DDA.

Whether a dog is deemed to be of this type comes down to a listed set of features and specific measurements. They would look at its features and measure various aspects of it such as height, muzzle length to head length ratio, leg length etc. not carry out DNA tests. If the dog did not have a high percentage of matching measurements or features it would not be classed of type and if it did it would. The list of specifications to be classed as an xl are pretty broad.

What I don’t understand is, if this dog had already been subject to being dangerously out of control and identified as a banned breed, regardless of whether it could be proven exempt or not, is why it wasn’t seized back in November. Will the dealing officers be subject to disciplinary action for failing to seize the dog prior to this happening!?

So an officer uses his own subjectivity to determine if a dog meets some arbitrary list of characteristics for a dog breed that doesn’t exist? That’s incredibly illogical, given that the reason for banning “pitbulls” in the first place is that they’re supposedly “bred for” fighting and it’s still “in their blood.” A dog could have just enough characteristics to look like a “pitbull” but not actually be related to any of the original fighting breeds, and be taken from its owner or have unnecessary restrictions imposed on it/the owner.

To determine if a dog is typed as a pitbull or XL the dog officer (forgotten the proper terminology) looks for certain criteria - the squareness of the head, the height, whether it has a petrol pump tail etc.

If you have a dog where the mum is a labrador and the dad is a staffy or ddb, it doesn't matter if you can prove the breeds or the dna, it's purely about looks.

Why did your jaw drop?
She found a dog and now it's with the warden. She thinks it's a nice dog and hopes it won't be typed.

What's wrong with that?

Because bad owners with aggressive dogs aren't the type of people who would register their dog or follow the rules. They are also not the type of people who would properly socialise their animal as a puppy so that it isn't aggressive to people or other animals. They are also the type of people who don't walk their dogs and keep them in the garden or a room in their house/flat so they are under stimulated and probably going slowly mad because of it. Any dog could get aggressive under these circumstances, but those who shouldn't have dogs normally choose something that is intimidating to hype up their fragile ego.

“Pitbull” is not an actual breed of dog, so I don’t see how you can ban it. There are lots of other dogs bred for fighting off predators, serving military and police purposes, or protecting their owners, and nobody’s calling for the banning of those breeds for potential aggression.

Also like.. how does breed banning even work? Like if my dog is mixed with Labrador retriever and distantly descended from a Staffordshire terrier, and someone calls the police because I own “pitbull,” what are they going to do if I say he’s a lab? DNA test him?

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/people-covered-blood-after-adults-31751841
People were reportedly 'covered in blood' after two adults and a baby were mauled in a horror dog attack in Tameside on Thursday evening (May 29).
Armed police, and paramedics, along with an air ambulance, attended the incident on Baslow Road in the Haughton Green area of Denton shortly before 6pm.
The three victims were rushed to hospital from the scene to be treated for their injuries. Their condition remains unknown.
Witnesses have now spoken out about the moment armed officers swooped on their residential street following the incident, thought to have broken out in a nearby home.
Animal units were also called out to the incident in Denton
One person told the Mirror: "There's people covered in blood and a baby's been taken to hospital. There were others who looked injured.
"A dog section and armed police went in with guns." As another said: "The dog is a boxer. He attacked the one-and-a-half year old and then the owner."
A third, who lives beside the cordon, added: "It happened in the flats. There were lots of police and ambulances and an air ambulance. CID are also here."
Families gathered outside watching as emergency services worked within the cordon. A number of young children were gathered around on bikes and scooters with their parents nearby.
“It was shocking," another resident told the M.E.N. "I didn’t know what had gone on, and then when we found did find out what had happened, it was sad.”
An air ambulance was scrambled to the scene
Footage also showed the moment a dog was led away by police and put into the back of a vehicle. The GMP dog unit vehicles later left the scene, with cordons remaining in place along Baslow Road.
A spokesperson for GMP said: "We were called to Baslow Road, Denton, at around 5:50pm today (May 29) to reports several people had been attacked by a dog.
"Three people, a one-year-old child and two adults, are in hospital being treated for their injuries."

She is denying being the owner of the dog
Fucking dumb bitch🤬

She's due back in court on Monday. She is denying being the owner of the dog.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cly4egg9w0xo.amp

This, a few weeks earlier is absolutely terrifying! I can't believe the dog wasn't removed after this!
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14165751/Moment-woman-arrested-police-man-42-killed-dangerous-fighting-dog-east-London-flat.html

ZOMBIE THREAD

Facts!

Nobody owns children
You can't muzzle them or keep them on a lead in public or keep them in a secure garden at all times, as much as it might be a good idea in some cases

Yup. Provided it extends to parents of kids who commit crimesvof violence 👍🏻

There's an argument for that, although I think the dog would also deserve a self-defence justification.

Dogs aren't people. The criminal law doesn't apply to them. Unless we've been transported back to medieval Europe ....

There's an argument for that, although I think the dog would also deserve a self-defence justification. Which means if someone is daft enough to approach an unknown or clearly unhappy dog, or to tease a dog, and they get bitten, that would be their own fault. Or, in the case of small child, the fault of the adult supervising the child.

But it still feels lopsided. People are happy to put down an animal for acting like an animal on it's first offense, then they should also ensure animals are not left in situations where they are likely to act that way. Which might mean the preventative measures, dog licencing, etc. Prevention is always better than cure.

‘Poor’ people can not afford to house, feed, insure and pay for vets bills, pay for dog sitters/walkers when they are at work etc etc. dogs are expensive.

Not RTFT so not sure if it's already been mentioned but a woman in Aberdeen was also attacked by an unspecified breed of dog a couple of days ago and died.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5y4vjl8yyzo.amp

Because they are a bellend who wants it as a weapon/show of power.

No it isn’t a local cute dog turned bad. The BBC is reporting that ‘She is also accused of having custody of a fighting dog that is banned under the Dangerous Dogs Act 1991.’

Yeah but the dog was illegal - from the BBC

She is also accused of having custody of a fighting dog that is banned under the Dangerous Dogs Act 1991.

absolutely. Poor children don’t matter.

Agree, sadly