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Badly behaved child at funeral

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bizzybeing · 06/12/2024 07:39

My Granddad died recently at the age of 102 and the funeral was this week. DM and her siblings let all the grandchildren know that the great-grandchildren were very welcome at the funeral but not expected and that it was up to us, as parents, to decide whether or not to bring them.

The great-grandchildren range in age from 14yo to 3mo. The older kids all came as did the baby which was no problem. My cousin decided that her 2yo and 4yo would never sit still so didn't bring them.

We discussed it with our boys and they were all keen to go. DS1 (11yo) and DS2 (8yo) are both generally well behaved so I was happy they should come. DS3 is 5yo and can be a menace so I was less sure about taking him but it was a 4hr drive from home and so we'd have to leave him overnight by himself with the PILs. The PILs were happy to do that but DS3 really didn't want to be left so we agreed to take him. Beforehand we set out clear expectations for him and also agreed that if he didn't cope with sitting still then DH would just take him out and go for a walk.

My DB and SIL also decided to bring their kids. My nephew (10yo) was a delight as always. However my niece (5yo) was, in my opinion, a badly behaved brat. DB and family arrived late (they delayed the coffin to let them into the chapel first) because DN refused to get dressed and then DN proceeded to demonstrate her gymnastics skills at the front of the chapel through the entire service! DB and SIL made a few half hearted attempts to get her to sit down but basically just let her carry on doing cartwheels and twirling around waving a scarf over her head.

AIBU to think that if she couldn't sit at least reasonably still then DN should have been taken out of the service?

FWIW this is fairly standard behaviour for DN and DB and SIL could easily have left her at home. They only had a 45min drive to get to the funeral which started at 11am and was on a day they both normally work so have routine childcare from 8am-6pm.

OP posts:
MadMumOfTwoHorrors · 07/12/2024 09:37

It’s awful behaviour and the parent should have left her at daycare or taken her outside. Too many children are left to run around feral these days. I’ve seen it in pubs, cafes, museums, shopping centres, and even in the middle of the road at times, while their parents just stand around watching.

What kind of man was your grandad? If he had a sense of humour, ask yourself if he’d have laughed at someone doing cartwheels at his funeral. If the answer is yes, then console yourself with knowing he’d have enjoyed his send off, and don’t let it bother you any more.

AloneLike · 07/12/2024 09:31

Threeandahalf · 07/12/2024 07:46

I took my then three year old to my mum's funeral and she ate a bag of sweets throughout 😊
I would have told a five year old to sit down and sit still, but they're five, so I wouldn't still be raging about it later. Your grandad was 5 once too, it's almost nice to think of it that way, and imagine the little boy 90 odd years ago. Sorry for your loss.

The granddad would have been 5 in 1927. In those days, people treated being in a church extremely seriously - strict etiquette about clothing and behaviour, nothing frivolous - no laughing, no whispering or fidgeting during the service - even a routine church service was a solemn occasion, let alone a funeral.

In those days, children were supposed to be 'seen and not heard' especially in public places and even less 'slack' would be given to children misbehaving than adults. Eating sweets in church would have been hugely taboo and turning cartwheels so far off what was acceptable that it would never even have been thought of.

I'm not advocating that attitude to children or solemn style of church service, but it's simply not accurate to say that a deceased 102 year old would have been the same as the OP's niece when he was 5 years old.

Changeforthis79 · 07/12/2024 09:31

Doingmybest12 · 06/12/2024 08:11

Not good to call a 5 year old a brat. But goodness knows why their parents didn't manage this situation though. What did your mum/dad feel as it was their parents funeral. I'd let it go as no point adding to the family upset. I think I'd have focussed on my own reason for being there and not on their parenting hopefully.

Edited

Why is it not good to call a 5 year old a brat if that's what they are being? 🤔

EdithStourton · 07/12/2024 09:28

I would have been tempted to have taken her out myself...

Many moons ago, I missed a significant chunk of a friend's wedding because I was stuck outside with a cranky baby.... It's called consideration.

RosieLeaf · 07/12/2024 09:25

This is now beastly adults are made

pestowithwalnuts · 07/12/2024 09:23

Did other relatives say anything about the performance ?
I'm sorry OP..a time of remberance and celebration of a life well lived will always this mark over it

Manthide · 07/12/2024 09:02

WarmFrogPond · 06/12/2024 09:44

Well, I’m not that poster, and I don’t know what her culture is, but I did comment up the thread to say it wouldn’t have bothered me. I’m Irish, and our attitudes to death and funerals are quite different in many ways. For one thing, we go to far more of them, so they’re much more ordinary occasions, it’s not an invitation-only situation, and children’s presence, and the ordinary disruption that brings, is taken for granted.

I wasn't aware that any funeral was invitation only and I've been to many. Of course if the service is not advertised it might reduce numbers but if Joe Bloggs found out and went to it he wouldn't be turned away. Same with the wake.

NotProper · 07/12/2024 08:47

Moonlightstars · 06/12/2024 08:00

They probably thought it was sweet. So annoying.
However would your Grandad have minded? Mine would have loved it 😁 he always loved a bit of chaos!

That was my thought too. I think children need funerals too but need preparing for the emotional impact. Sounds like she wasn’t prepared well enough.

TheaBrandt · 07/12/2024 08:45

The irony is these wet parents are actually harming their own children. They don’t seem to realise that in not parenting through fear of upsetting the kid the kid will then not know how to behave (this is a perfect example) and will go into the world and antagonise other adults. They will then be thought badly of and are likely to miss out on opportunities and experiences.

Remember primary school play dates for children with wet parents treating me like a servant as their mums let them treat them. Were no second invites and those kids not ones the other parents encouraged friendships with.

Weve been strict about how we are treated by ours so our teens are now delightful to us and others. Dd2 in particular has had so many brilliant experiences and 5 star holidays with other families as she is first choice as the friend to bring along for their own child.

bizzybeing · 07/12/2024 08:41

Dibbydoos · 07/12/2024 08:27

I'm sure your GD loved the display. It probably made him chuckle.

Why we think children will behave in a somber way is beyond me.

I would have directed her to do her show at the back and not down the aisle, don't get me wrong, but stopping a child being a child....

Having said all that, I would not bring children to a funeral emotionally it's taxing for adults. Children don't have the emotional capabilities of adults so the event either goes over their heads (as in the case of yoyr DN) or is bewildering and so they are the behaviour of adults.

No I don't think Granddad would have liked it. He was all for good fun but not in church. That was what the wake was for.

DM also wasn't happy and felt embarrassed that her part of the family did this but didn't want to cause an even bigger scene at the time. SIL is quite happy with this type of behaviour and DB just ignores it to avoid dealing with tantrums.

OP posts:
Rustyfeet · 07/12/2024 08:41

I took my 4 alone (dh couldnt get time off of work) to my grandads funeral. They where 5,4, 2 and a new born.

I was a bit of a mess as he was more like my father than my grandfather. We lived an hours drive away. We ended up being late. Walked into the church late. Had to walk all the way through to the front.

Kids where quite well behaved as I tried to hid my embarrassment for being late.

They stood up and down as required and danced to a few hymns. The priest was lovely to them.

My family and other guests did not moan or say anything and came to see them all and give them a little hug/smile/chat after.

I apologised profusely to everyone and not one single person (all 80+ in age) apart from my uncles had an unkind word to say and said they where happy we where able to make it and didn't miss it for fear of upsetting other people.

Your niece was naughty. I'm sure your grandad wouldn't have minded if he was with us still.

Condolences, but I think grief is making your annoyance worsen. Leave it be

Poppyfun1 · 07/12/2024 08:35

Awful. Just awful.

Manthide · 07/12/2024 08:31

My nana and my uncle has their funerals 2 days apart and about 300 miles from where we live. I took my 19 year old (she drove us), my 7 year old and my 3 year old - the 17 year old couldn't make it as she had her A levels. I prepared my younger dc well and they both behaved impeccably during the services. I would have removed them immediately if they hadn't, I did have to give the 3 year old a look at one point!
They were a bit excitable during the wakes but I'm from Liverpool and it wasn't a big deal. During the service though would not have been acceptable!
I have been to too many funerals and have never seen any disrespectful behaviour during any service.

Dibbydoos · 07/12/2024 08:27

I'm sure your GD loved the display. It probably made him chuckle.

Why we think children will behave in a somber way is beyond me.

I would have directed her to do her show at the back and not down the aisle, don't get me wrong, but stopping a child being a child....

Having said all that, I would not bring children to a funeral emotionally it's taxing for adults. Children don't have the emotional capabilities of adults so the event either goes over their heads (as in the case of yoyr DN) or is bewildering and so they are the behaviour of adults.

Reallyneedsaholiday · 07/12/2024 08:03

I think she should have been removed, but I’d ask yourself whether your grandfather would have wanted her behaviour at his funeral, be the cause of a rift in the family?

Cattery · 07/12/2024 07:59

Zero discipline. Zero parenting skills. Imagine her at 16.

Cacaococo · 07/12/2024 07:49

Maybe your DB and/or SIL are autistic?

Threeandahalf · 07/12/2024 07:46

I took my then three year old to my mum's funeral and she ate a bag of sweets throughout 😊
I would have told a five year old to sit down and sit still, but they're five, so I wouldn't still be raging about it later. Your grandad was 5 once too, it's almost nice to think of it that way, and imagine the little boy 90 odd years ago. Sorry for your loss.

TorroFerney · 07/12/2024 07:31

Radamanth · 06/12/2024 09:41

Is it sad though?

My husband's grandmother, that brought him up, died at 96, after a short illness. When she was dying she was very pragmatic. Our son got a bit emotional and she told him to stop being so silly.

Her funeral wasn't sad. We were sad that she wasn't there anymore, but her death wasn't sad. Her funeral wasn't sad. She'd lived and died exactly as she wanted. She was a wonderful woman. I'm glad I knew her. Death is inevitable. The death of a centenarian isn't sad. It's great that they lived that long and loved so many people.

Told him not to be so silly? Well i hope you explained to him after that if he felt sad he felt sad and she was wrong to tell him not to be sad. Terrible to tell children they don't feel what they feel. You acknowledge what they are felling you don't dismiss it. She sounds like my unhinged mother who couldn't understand why my FIL was really upset at my MIL's funeral.

CosyLemur · 07/12/2024 07:28

One of my cousin's children was running up and down the aisle during my Grandad's funeral a few years ago. And whilst a few people were annoyed my Grandma (his wife of 70 years) actually told my cousin not to stop her because my Grandad would have loved watching her have so much fun, rather than seeing everyone crying!

I guess my point is ultimately what did your Grandma or Mum say; and possibly most importantly what would Grandad have thought.

TorroFerney · 07/12/2024 07:27

Lemonadeand · 06/12/2024 08:05

How would she know this if not from her parents? She’s probably never been to a funeral before.

Exactly. It's one where you brief your child isn't it. You explain what's happening so they aren't scared when they see adults crying and talk about the process and how we sit respectfully and listen and then there's a celebration after.

YenSon · 07/12/2024 07:08

I can see this would be upsetting for many people. It’s important that children are taught how to modify their behaviour depending on situation and circumstances, even if they have SEND. They should have been supported with that by their parents.

However, nothing you can do about it and the time has passed. Probably best to let it go.

BeatrizBoniface · 06/12/2024 16:23

No wonder schools have such problems. Too much soft and inadequate parenting

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 06/12/2024 16:12

Radamanth · 06/12/2024 15:58

You must have lead a very sheltered life if OP's niece is the most badly behaved child you've ever heard speak of.

I was referring rather to the parents’ attitude in allowing the child’s behaviour, which in itself was ‘bad’ only because of the occasional and location.
Of course I’ve seen infinitely brattier brats..

Zoopet · 06/12/2024 16:11

Crap parenting for allowing the child's poor behaviour.
The funeral is for respecting and remembering the deceased not allowing a child to play up to an audience.
Shame on the parents!
They need to put some boundaries in place .

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