Please or to access all these features

AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

My Host told me not to go somewhere.

137 replies

Mearabade · 06/12/2024 00:54

Me and my cousin had a big argument over this. I still think she was being totally unreasonable, but she made me feel like I was being unreasonable.

She asked me to stay with her for a weekend earlier this year.

She lives in a different country to me, so it's a long journey over to see her.

I went over. My aunty (not her mother) lives near her, so i said that I would pop up to see my aunty while I was there.

My cousin got really angry and told me that she didn't want me to go to see my aunt, that i was there to see her.

My cousin seemed to think that because I was staying with her, that she could control my every move.

I said I was going up to my aunt.

I came back to my cousins house. My cousin was really angry and shouted at me to get out of her house. My cousin seemed to be angry that I "went against her".

I was shocked at her anger and I left. I just thought that she was so over the top.

I left her house day early.

We sent each other one long angry message each, and then haven't spoken to each other since. As I'm just shocked by her behaviour.
She was so extreme.

What I gathered from her message is that she seemed to think I was using her for a place to stay.

Not true. And after experiencing her anger I wish I'd stayed in a hotel.

What I wrote back to her is

"While it was nice of you to let me stay with you, I'm an adult and you can't tell me or any other adult not to go anywhere!".

What do you all think.

OP posts:
Mearabade · 06/12/2024 10:49

vivainsomnia · 06/12/2024 08:36

That's where I differ in opinion to my cousin I guess. She thinks I should only see her when I go to see her
I think your behaviour was rude. If I were inviting a relative for a weekend, and upon arriving, they were telling they had planned to see another relative, without me, during that short stay, I wouldn't be impressed either. I would have expected them to either arrange an extra day, before or after to spend with the other relative, or I would have at least asked, before going there if it was OK and would have done it first thing when arriving or last before going back.

You're entitled to your opinion absolutely , but I have to say that i don't agree really.

No one can tell another adult that they can't go somewhere. That's control.

I know that this same angry cousin stayed with one of our other cousins in another country for a weekend. We have a large extended family in different countries.

While she was there for a weekend, she went around to visit every aunt, uncle and cousin in the town.

I saw the photos on a family instagram page.

She went to loads of different houses in one weekend.

The difference is the cousin that she stayed with over there, is extremely nice and kind. I went to visit her once and she was so lovely.

OP posts:
vivainsomnia · 06/12/2024 10:45

The OP’s aunt lives up the road, OP walked to her house for an hour. An hour
I agree if OP said before that she would only stay for an hour. Did she though or did she end up for just one hour because of the cousin's upset?

HotChocolateNotCocoa · 06/12/2024 09:18

janeavrilavril · 06/12/2024 08:56

If it was literally an hour what was the point in visiting. And if it was more than an hour well why wouldn't the cousin be upset.

I don’t see how an hour’s visit is pointless.

redskydarknight · 06/12/2024 09:10

Seymour5 · 06/12/2024 09:05

The more I read about some family behaviours, the more grateful I am for ours. No family is perfect, but some expectations of how others should behave seem bizarre to me. Thankfully, we’re all pretty laid back when it comes to visiting and/or meeting up.

We have no family members nearby, the nearest is an hour, some are seven or eight hours away. We had a get together earlier this year for about fourteen of us. There was no resentment from those who couldn’t make it, or of those who chose not to come. We keep in touch sporadically, by phone, messaging etc. Happy when we do see each other, but very accepting of reasons when we don’t, and no expectations. It seems to work pretty well.

And I think your family's way of doing things is really healthy and I suspect means you are all closer and have better relationships as a result.

But you only have to look at MN threads where people are insistent that certain things are expected to realise that different people have different belief and value systems, and these will be largely based on childhood experiences.

At the risk of putting more things on schools, it would be really helpful for children to be taught about what makes healthy relationships (family, friends and romantic), what are reasonable behaviour expectations and what are not etc.
Very very many people don't think about their behaviour because they think it is normal.

Seymour5 · 06/12/2024 09:05

The more I read about some family behaviours, the more grateful I am for ours. No family is perfect, but some expectations of how others should behave seem bizarre to me. Thankfully, we’re all pretty laid back when it comes to visiting and/or meeting up.

We have no family members nearby, the nearest is an hour, some are seven or eight hours away. We had a get together earlier this year for about fourteen of us. There was no resentment from those who couldn’t make it, or of those who chose not to come. We keep in touch sporadically, by phone, messaging etc. Happy when we do see each other, but very accepting of reasons when we don’t, and no expectations. It seems to work pretty well.

Copperoliverbear · 06/12/2024 09:05

Visiting your aunt was fine, but maybe your cousin would have liked to have gone with you, it also sounds to me like she has mental health issues.

janeavrilavril · 06/12/2024 08:56

toucheee · 06/12/2024 08:52

The OP’s aunt lives up the road, OP walked to her house for an hour. An hour.

This is what family does, they pop in and see each other when they fly over.

And OP says her cousin does the same when she visits family abroad.

You expecting OP to book an extra day for an hour’s visit is bizarre.

If it was literally an hour what was the point in visiting. And if it was more than an hour well why wouldn't the cousin be upset.

toucheee · 06/12/2024 08:55

Dolphinnoises · 06/12/2024 08:52

(Deleted - asking a question which I’d missed the answer to)

Edited

An hour is hardly ‘the lion’s share’
of a weekend. The aunt lives up the road.

Dolphinnoises · 06/12/2024 08:52

(Deleted - asking a question which I’d missed the answer to)

toucheee · 06/12/2024 08:52

vivainsomnia · 06/12/2024 08:36

That's where I differ in opinion to my cousin I guess. She thinks I should only see her when I go to see her
I think your behaviour was rude. If I were inviting a relative for a weekend, and upon arriving, they were telling they had planned to see another relative, without me, during that short stay, I wouldn't be impressed either. I would have expected them to either arrange an extra day, before or after to spend with the other relative, or I would have at least asked, before going there if it was OK and would have done it first thing when arriving or last before going back.

The OP’s aunt lives up the road, OP walked to her house for an hour. An hour.

This is what family does, they pop in and see each other when they fly over.

And OP says her cousin does the same when she visits family abroad.

You expecting OP to book an extra day for an hour’s visit is bizarre.

Jumell · 06/12/2024 08:48

redskydarknight · 06/12/2024 08:45

<possibly projecting wildly here>

So I come from family with dynamics like this.

My parents have strict "rules" on visiting. That means you need to come for the maximum time possible, you need to spend every single second with them and you must spend the time doing their approved activities.
If you do not do these things there will be repercussions (e.g. I once stopped off at a shop on the way to visit which delayed me by about 20 minutes and this resulted in 2 hours of shouting and screaming despite me still arriving when I said I would).

As a child and young adult I thought this was normal. So, whilst not behaving quite as extremely as OP's host, I would expect any friends visiting me to do the same. I didn't actually shout and scream at anyone but I would be extremely unhappy about someone visiting and not conforming to what I thought were expected visit rules. Because it felt like a rejection of me, based on what I'd learned as a child.

It's genuinely taken me a very long time (many years) to realise that just because someone doesn't want to spend every second of their visit with you this does not mean they do not like you. Unpicking learned behaviour (particularly when you are "expecting" bad consequences if you don't do the "right" thing) is really really hard.

So, I wonder about OP's host's upbringing. Is she mimicking behaviour that she is accustomed to and has not yet realised that this isn't "the norm"? The "see what you made me do" response is also the sort of thing that I'd grown up with and would have seen as normal.

Gosh that sentence about

‘unpicking learned behaviour’ is just so so on the money !!

HotChocolateNotCocoa · 06/12/2024 08:46

LigamentBandy · 06/12/2024 01:32

@Mearabade you think what you think, she thinks what she thinks, you both think you are right.
(As I've said before on here.)
None of us know the full details so can't factually answer.

Thank goodness you shared this. It’s right up there with “It is what it is” and “There are two sides to every story”.

redskydarknight · 06/12/2024 08:45

<possibly projecting wildly here>

So I come from family with dynamics like this.

My parents have strict "rules" on visiting. That means you need to come for the maximum time possible, you need to spend every single second with them and you must spend the time doing their approved activities.
If you do not do these things there will be repercussions (e.g. I once stopped off at a shop on the way to visit which delayed me by about 20 minutes and this resulted in 2 hours of shouting and screaming despite me still arriving when I said I would).

As a child and young adult I thought this was normal. So, whilst not behaving quite as extremely as OP's host, I would expect any friends visiting me to do the same. I didn't actually shout and scream at anyone but I would be extremely unhappy about someone visiting and not conforming to what I thought were expected visit rules. Because it felt like a rejection of me, based on what I'd learned as a child.

It's genuinely taken me a very long time (many years) to realise that just because someone doesn't want to spend every second of their visit with you this does not mean they do not like you. Unpicking learned behaviour (particularly when you are "expecting" bad consequences if you don't do the "right" thing) is really really hard.

So, I wonder about OP's host's upbringing. Is she mimicking behaviour that she is accustomed to and has not yet realised that this isn't "the norm"? The "see what you made me do" response is also the sort of thing that I'd grown up with and would have seen as normal.

Jumell · 06/12/2024 08:45

To be honest - even if I’d felt slightly put out by your visit - eg if you’d taken yourself off as soon as you’d arrived - in the circs I wouldn’t have made any kind of fuss. I may be a people pleaser, but honestly this is a situation I would just simply ‘let go’

26YearOldFailure · 06/12/2024 08:41

You're an adult so it's not like you need to get your absence authorised. It was only an hour out of the whole weekend. A very extreme reaction indeed.

DrinkFeckArseBrick · 06/12/2024 08:37

Does she get on with your aunt?

vivainsomnia · 06/12/2024 08:36

That's where I differ in opinion to my cousin I guess. She thinks I should only see her when I go to see her
I think your behaviour was rude. If I were inviting a relative for a weekend, and upon arriving, they were telling they had planned to see another relative, without me, during that short stay, I wouldn't be impressed either. I would have expected them to either arrange an extra day, before or after to spend with the other relative, or I would have at least asked, before going there if it was OK and would have done it first thing when arriving or last before going back.

CautiousLurker1 · 06/12/2024 08:25

Did you mention when you first discussed and arranged this that you’d like to pop over and see your aunt? Did your cousin have something planned at the time you went to see here (eg a day trip for you all?).

Sounds like a miscommunication tome, but still doesn’t justify the way your cousin behaved.

HotCrossBunplease · 06/12/2024 08:15

Is your cousin related to the aunt you saw?

Do they get on?

AgnesX · 06/12/2024 08:15

I see where she's coming from but her reaction was over the top.

You should have stayed longer if you were going to make the rounds of your family.

denimstork8 · 06/12/2024 08:11

This reply has been deleted

This has been deleted by MNHQ for breaking our Talk Guidelines.

Toooldforlonghair · 06/12/2024 08:08

@denimstork8

You do not know our family dynamic. It does not work like that. None of my children visit her, including the one in her country because of this and other behaviours which have no place on this thread.

denimstork8 · 06/12/2024 08:05

This reply has been deleted

This has been deleted by MNHQ for breaking our Talk Guidelines.

Toooldforlonghair · 06/12/2024 08:02

My DM does this. She went back to her home country nearly 30 years ago, there are literally dozens of aunts, cousins etc living in the same town or close by whom I never get to see when I visit DM as she makes it so awkward. Doesn't rant and rave but rather gives me the silent treatment. She even does it if I stay too long with my Dsis!
For the past 10 years my DS has also lived in the same country but in the Capital about 3 hours drive from DM. Fitting a visit to both in a weekend is really difficult but DM makes my life a misery if I don't. The solution has been that I don't tell her that we are visiting DS which in turn means that I cannot see other family members there lest she finds out. My advice OP do not visit your cousin again without an apology and make it clear your her your plans before you go. I wish I had called DM out on her behaviou years ago, she is now too old to change. She has missed out on so much because of it.

Carquestions · 06/12/2024 07:54

Radamanth · 06/12/2024 07:40

Obviously her behaviour is not ok.

Have you previously had a decent relationship? Is this out of character? I'm just wondering if she's in crisis in some way.

Not that it's your job to sort out on any way, if it's not your usual relationship there may be something going on.

I know that MN is generally very hard boundaried, and that can be a good thing, but, but we're all human and if you've had a previously good relationship, I'd probably have a chat in a 'hey, is everything OK?' way.

Look, boundaries are great, but so are familial relationships.

I had a bit of a dick situation once with a friend, and I asked a mutual friend for advice.

Her response?

Literally 'Not my circus, not my monkeys'.

And that was the end of two friendships for me.

Because I think it's very easy to be too hard-line.

My point being, it's always worth a chat.

She might be a dick, she might be struggling. It's worth at least trying to find out.

I agree with this. Mumsnet can be brutal on friendship but OP you’re the one whose going to lose a cousin over this.

Agree with PP, if this is out of character for her then it’s likely there’s something going on and she’s struggling.

Just checking, did you arrive and then immediately go and see your aunt before you’d done anything with your cousin? That would annoy me. Obviously not ok to scream and shout either way though.