Do you teach your child to hit back?

Correct.

Burst their mouth, bloody their nose. And let 50 people see you do it so that they all know that you aren’t a little shrinking violet.

Don't hit first but defend yourself.

There's one twunt in my son's class, hits everyone, kicks out, bangs doors, cupboards etc and is violent if he doesn't get his own way. He has repeatedly hurt other kids including my ds so ds knows he will never be in trouble for defending himself.

I too feel strongly about this. If you’ve tried telling a teacher, walking away etc, then fucking give them one hard enough that they won’t do it again.

In my experience, bullies are weak little bastards and are all mouth so it doesn’t take much to put them in their place.

I go tell teacher*

Ok let me tell you on my example. When I was child I was hit by one boy in school on break time I go tell teenager and she told me "oh is nothing please play together" . So what I done I go back and the boy still keep beat me so I get up and push him he fall on the floor and this teacher who told me off when I ask for help call my parents to come school but because my parents was at work my adult brother come and he ask in front of teacher "why you push him" I said "cause he keep hitting me" "do you told teacher" "yes I did but teacher don't do nothing only send me away" . You know what my brother said to.me "you do very good " in front of teacher leaving her jaw to drop on the floor. Since then any time I hit someone back she never call nobody and she started to react when someone get bullied

This thread has sure escalated.

Teaching your kid to hit back isn’t self defence, that’s correct. But it is sending a message to any little shit who thinks they have a right to hurt them, that they won’t get off with it. To be honest, I don’t care if someone has suspected autism or some behavioural issue when it’s my kid getting hurt.

If my child (in years to come when he’s older) splits the lip or bloodies the nose of someone who was pushing them around, I’ll be happy with that. Of course I’d rather the situation never arises, but if it does, that’s the outcome I’d want.

Expecting meaningful intervention from teachers is often pointless - especially when you go beyond primary school age. So I’ll make sure he has the ability to sort it himself. Running away or crying to a teacher will only highlight a the target on someone’s back.

If he’s punished by school, fine. But he’ll return to school afterwards and can be confident that nobody will try and push him around again.

No, but I will absolutely teach her the best places to hit someone – particularly men – when you feel your life is under threat.

They don't tend to punch you..
It isn't semantics, self defence is used to escape a situation. Retaliation is revenge, totally different.

Semantics. If somebody tries to assault you and you stop them in their tracks by hitting them, then it's self defence.

What do you think would happen if you assaulted a police officer? Would they employ reasonable force or do nothing?

So you are raising your DC that if she doesn't agree with a teachers decision, she is OK to punch to wrong doer? And if she isn't dealt with properly for being equally as violent, do they get a free shot at your DC? Where does it end other than two violent children?

Yes because otherwise she will be end up with bruises everywhere and she will be having no hope for any help in the school she will be just stand alone and cry having no hope. If you not allow your kids to hit back even if the teacher not react your kids are in distress because they scared of their bullies but they also scares of you because they afraid to hit back worry how you will react

So your DC gets hit, walks across to the teacher, teacher doesn't help so she goes back to the child and smacks them?

Only if teacher not react my child have permission to hit back. If my daughter go teacher and the teacher punish the child who hit her then she leave the kid alone if the teacher do nothing she is allowed to hit back

The question is do you teach your DC to hit back. Hitting back is not self defence, it's retaliation.

You have no time with logical choices if your life is about the end in seconds

Your mentality is the issue.

Strength isn't fighting, strength comes from control and logical choices. It's a pity you got to adulthood without learning that.

I have sytuation years ago when man sid on my chest really I had no time to think "oh let's talk with him". I grab stone and hit him then he get confused and I get up fast. I doesn't kill him but I was think "if he make me harder to breathing then I will kill him"

I also work in education and would still not advise a child to use violence in retaliation, which is what the original question asked.

As people have explained quite patiently, it's not always possible to walk away or get help - particularly when someone is literally on top of you.

Children at secondary school can do a lot of damage, unfortunately. Over 40 yrs of teaching, I've stopped a few assaults. I'm not sure how many. The hands off approach worked for some; for others, I had to get the assailant into a bear hug to haul them off the victim. It's not easy, and I have been hurt in the process - but the alternative would have been to allow the assault to continue. I twice had to get down on my hands and knees to pull one teenager off another. In those situations, you always try to de-escalate, but that doesn't always work.

The one time that I felt that I couldn't intervene physically (after shouting failed to work) was when I was in the very early stage of a pregnancy. (No, I didn't have a Risk Assessment in place. I'd only got a faint blue line and was waiting a week to re-test.) It was interval and the victim ran into my room for sanctuary, closely pursued by the perpetrator. I kept well out of the perpetrator's way and tried to get to my phone to get assistance. He came at me and punched me in the stomach. I didn't even know him. He followed me quite deliberately - it was no accident.

People forget how strong teenage boys are.

A senior boy ran to get help from two male teachers in the next classroom. They were also punched. (One had stood in front of the pupil victim to protect him.) The assault was finally stopped by a retired police officer who was then our Community Link.

ETA No, I wasn't dealing with assaults every single day - but this is the reality of what you see in a long career. Most pupils are perfectly harmless. A handful are not. Schools are a reflection of society.

It's a false equivalence, it's a fucking dog. I'd shoot it in the face without hesitation if necessary. I wouldn't if it was a person.

A lot of us aren't talking about what they'd do if someone is actively attacking you, you do what you need to do to get them off. It's more a discussion of if someone punches do you walk away or retaliate.

I'd avoid violence with either and walk or run away, or get help. We are talking about children at school, not adults out to murder. Please stop trying to lead with your comments, it is alright for me to disagree with you.

Why no? so you let the human kill you ?

Nope.

Violence is needed and justified for self defence, for protecting others and in war too if someone want to shoot you

So you'd use violence to get a dog off you but not to get a human off you?