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To baby my teenage sons?

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IamFineIamFINE · 05/12/2024 16:52

Name changed for this thread but long term poster.

So I see all the posts about how the Mum is to blame for adult men not pulling their weight around the house because 'Mummy' has spoiled him...but is it really the Mum's fault?

Surely as a grown adult you are responsible for your own behaviour?

I see it as the world is a hard place, My sons are only late teens, but I do still do more than I should for this reason. I would have loved to have parents who helped me. That one place where you feel safe and know someone will look after you.

Admittedly even they say at times I need to stop doing everything for them. but I want to. I want to try and alleviate some of the stress that comes with both teenage years and adulthood. They are lovely boys but I do worry I'm setting them up to think other people should look after them.

But surely it should be different if it's their Mum? I certainly wouldn't expect any partner to do it and would definitely give them a dressing down if they tried to shirk their responsibilities in a relationship. This is something I've spoken about along with compromising and respect.

I guess my AIBU is, am I setting myself up to be a hated MIL?

YABU - yes YANBU - no

I am interested in peoples thoughts on it.

OP posts:
friendshipover24 · 05/12/2024 17:52

How will they learn to do it themselves if you don’t teach them?

jannier · 05/12/2024 17:50

5128gap · 05/12/2024 17:41

Yes he can cook. And I don't treat him like a Prince. Nor do i teach him to 'help out' as that would be very poor messaging, giving the impression they were 'my' jobs he was helping me with, rather than simply the day to day jobs of adult life, some of which are 'his' jobs. Ive said already, i do a lot of domestic stuff for him because he does other stuff for me and were I not to do that I'd feel I was exploiting him. Ideally the quid pro quo would be less on traditional lines, but thats an accident of our life styles at the moment.

How many of the things he does are daily tasks so many set but he does the DIY or mows the lawn?
You both help out in the house doing chores it's not a sexist thing....although you seem to have divided jobs this way ...if you do 90 minutes work for the benefit of all so should anyone else in the home....assuming you all work. It shouldn't need to be you did that so I do this but working together.

Theunamedcat · 05/12/2024 17:50

I baby mine a bit but he has sen and life is quite difficult for him I encourage and support normal teen behaviour push him to take more responsibility but currently I'm backing away from extra responsibility because it's his GCSE year the fine line is hard to walk

Dutch1e · 05/12/2024 17:47

It's not bad per se, but it is a misstep to parent the child you were instead of parenting the child you have. You risk making them feeling unheard and ignored.

mathanxiety · 05/12/2024 17:46

IamFineIamFINE · 05/12/2024 17:07

They say it to be nice. I know they would rather I did these things or else they would refuse to let me, but it's more a 'Mum you don't need to...but thank you'.

We do have a close relationship and if they are adamant about something then I don't of course. But generally they will come to me with anything going on or if they need help.

But then basic things I know they should be doing, I don't ask them to do (like ironing their own clothes or putting a wash on)....that's the part I'm worried about because I see so many posts saying 'he expects me to do everything because his mother did' or he wants a replacement Mum.

If I tell them (as I am) that a relationship is equal and chores are to be split individually, then is it ok for me still to look after them while I can?

Their Dad and I are no longer together. He does make them do things around his house which I agree with, I just don't want to because I still see them as my children who I have to look after. I think I'll be the same when they are in their 40s to be honest (if I'm still here that is), and I guess I don't want to feel like I'm ruining their development?

Yes, I'm afraid babying them won't work out well for anyone. Not them, not you, and not their future partners. They'll be charming and nice, but that will wear thin.

You'll be bereft when they leave for university (assuming you're able to let them go). Find so.ething else to do with your time, and other people to do it with.

They'll have to figure out a lot for themselves especially when they fly the coop and they'll resent you for not training them to keep a lot of plates in the air at the same time (laundry plus food shopping plus cooking plus cleaning up plus sport plus school, for instance). You don't have to step back all the way and leave them to fend for themselves under your roof, but they should definitely be doing their own laundry, including bedding. It's a little icky to think of young adults having someone else sort out their whites and coloureds, imo. They should be able to plan and cook several nutritious meals from whatever is in the fridge and pantry, and clean up the kitchen after themselves.

Above all, they should be cleaning up whatever bathroom/ loo they use.

Future partners will love and appreciate you if they can show initiative around the house, and care about sharing the burden of keeping the home pleasant for all.

Birch101 · 05/12/2024 17:44

You need to step back you can still be a supportive parent and help them navigate life whilst teaching them how to balance life

The way I see it at 18 (the September after) alot of young people are living away from home so if yours do.you need to teach them how to juggle life. Case in point

My brother went to uni and couldn't cook and came home every break with his laundry
I did not

If your children don't go away to uni and stay living with you then honestly a weekly family meal is the most I would do.

As long as they know they always have a home and you are always there the should be doing everything else themselves

5128gap · 05/12/2024 17:41

jannier · 05/12/2024 17:26

Lots of men claim not to be able to work a washing machine. Can he cook? Are you teaching him that it's only you that are treating him like a prince and the right thing to do is help out?

Yes he can cook. And I don't treat him like a Prince. Nor do i teach him to 'help out' as that would be very poor messaging, giving the impression they were 'my' jobs he was helping me with, rather than simply the day to day jobs of adult life, some of which are 'his' jobs. Ive said already, i do a lot of domestic stuff for him because he does other stuff for me and were I not to do that I'd feel I was exploiting him. Ideally the quid pro quo would be less on traditional lines, but thats an accident of our life styles at the moment.

OrangeSlices998 · 05/12/2024 17:39

IamFineIamFINE · 05/12/2024 17:29

I know. I feel bad if I don't. As my earlier comment said, if they REALLY didn't want me to the they'd not let me. I am definitely not an authoritarian so they aren't scared to tell me anything.

My eldest son did say to me as well that I worry too much, but that he doesn't mind because he knows it's only because I care.

I have already guessed a lot of the way I think is due to my own upbringing and I want to be the opposite. I just wasn't sure if it was really that bad when you compare it to not being looked after at all. And if they know they should pull their weight when it comes to other relationships, is it really so bad?

I lived alone from age 16. I had no knowledge of how to run a household or budget, but I picked it up because I had to. I've been thinking that when they are ready to leave I can at least help them prepare at that time?

OP, kindly, you need to stop. Your value isn’t in what you do for them, but the love and support and home you give them. You’re overcompensating for your shit childhood by coddling them.

You make it sound like they’ll magically understand the work of looking after themselves (and another) when they’re grown, but clearly from the threads on here and across social media men aren’t leaving Mummy’s house and marching into independence. They weaponise their incompetence or they live in filth because they’ve never been taught or expected to do basic tasks.

How far does it go? You never ask them to unload the dishwasher? They have never hung out a wash? Cleaned the bathroom? Who changes their beds? You’re doing them and any future partners a disservice, they won’t believe they have an equal role in the home if you’re doing everything for them like they’re babies. They’re not!

AnnaMagnani · 05/12/2024 17:37

I lived alone from age 16. I had no knowledge of how to run a household or budget, but I picked it up because I had to

I can totally see where you are coming from and why you want to look after them so much. However there are two key differences: firstly you are female, they are male and secondly - they aren't going to be kicked out age 16.

You need them to be fully functional adults who can hold down a job, a long term relationship and keep a house. Unfortunately you risk teaching them that the best way of doing this is to find a female support human who will do all the stuff mum did and have sex with them too.

You can just start teaching them independence a week before they leave home, they need to learn how to work as a team in a house from as soon as they are able.

LastNightMyPJsSavedMyLife · 05/12/2024 17:36

What you do for them is all about you and your wants... it makes you feel good. You are not doing it for them, they've asked you to stop but you choose to ignore their wants. In the bigger picture it's actually disrespectful.

mathanxiety · 05/12/2024 17:36

TarantinoIsAMisogynist · 05/12/2024 16:54

They're literally asking you to stop and do less. You're not doing it for them, you're doing it for you.

100% this.

What's in it for you, OP?

And what sort of things do you do for them?

Beezknees · 05/12/2024 17:32

And I also lived alone from your age and was pregnant by 17, part of looking after kids is not to do everything for them but to teach them to become functioning adults. I HAD to do everything as a teenager including being a parent, DS does things because it's expected in the household, not because he doesn't have a loving caring parent.

Mrsttcno1 · 05/12/2024 17:31

I think depending on the extent it’s unreasonable and you’re setting them up to be shitty partners/husband’s as well as setting them up to struggle once they are living alone. There’s nothing wrong with occasionally doing their washing, cooking a meal, cleaning up after them etc but they need to get used to and be capable of doing those things themselves because they aren’t going to find a partner who does it all for them happily and they are going to struggle to adjust to having to do it all on their own when they never have before.

Lentilweaver · 05/12/2024 17:31

In 10 years time they will be telling thwir wives " Why dont you love washing my socks. My mum did."

PerkyViper · 05/12/2024 17:30

"I do all the cooking and cleaning for my baby boys but I just KNOW that they will make fantabulous husbands who magically realise how much work goes in to household chores, because they are such sweet sweet perfect little men" 🥹

titchy · 05/12/2024 17:30

You're not doing it for them though, you're doing it to fulfil a need in you.

Beezknees · 05/12/2024 17:29

No, OP. You need to let them start doing things.

It doesn't matter how much you tell them they'll need to do it in a partnership. Words are meaningless, actions are what count. You're going to make them lazy.

IamFineIamFINE · 05/12/2024 17:29

TarantinoIsAMisogynist · 05/12/2024 16:54

They're literally asking you to stop and do less. You're not doing it for them, you're doing it for you.

I know. I feel bad if I don't. As my earlier comment said, if they REALLY didn't want me to the they'd not let me. I am definitely not an authoritarian so they aren't scared to tell me anything.

My eldest son did say to me as well that I worry too much, but that he doesn't mind because he knows it's only because I care.

I have already guessed a lot of the way I think is due to my own upbringing and I want to be the opposite. I just wasn't sure if it was really that bad when you compare it to not being looked after at all. And if they know they should pull their weight when it comes to other relationships, is it really so bad?

I lived alone from age 16. I had no knowledge of how to run a household or budget, but I picked it up because I had to. I've been thinking that when they are ready to leave I can at least help them prepare at that time?

OP posts:
MumblesParty · 05/12/2024 17:28

DS1 is lazy, happily lets me do his laundry, ironing, cooking, food shopping etc. But he’s at uni now so he’s had to do it all himself. Steep learning curve but he’s managed it. He’s lazy again when he comes home, but I think it’s more of a “mum looks after me so I’ll enjoy it” than a “I’m a man so I never have to do anything”. He’s perfectly capable of doing what needs to be done, but if someone else offers, he’s happy!

Nighttimenope · 05/12/2024 17:28

My mother did this for her DS. He is currently living with me and driving me up the absolute wall. I’m married with young children and I work, so does my husband. We are pushing DB to learn things but I resent my mother leaving this to be my problem, and see no future for him in a relationship if he keeps living like this - or even living independently. Even when he tries to do things it’s utterly useless and it takes all my prayers and effort to hold my breath!
You are absolutely setting them up for failure.

elastamum · 05/12/2024 17:26

Ask yourself whether you want them to grow up to be fully functioning adults or expensive exotic pets. Act accordingly.

jannier · 05/12/2024 17:26

Naunet · 05/12/2024 17:23

Your job as a parent is to raise independent, well equipped, well rounded adults, not to fulfil your own wants and desires.

Well said

jannier · 05/12/2024 17:26

5128gap · 05/12/2024 17:10

I do a lot for my DS. Unfortunately it is the very traditional things like laundry, cooking and cleaning up after him. However he does a lot for me, and its the only way I can reciprocate. I have absolutely no fear this will make him a bad partner. He is capable of doing the things I do (they're not rocket science, are they?) and knows well the difference between a mum and a wife.

Lots of men claim not to be able to work a washing machine. Can he cook? Are you teaching him that it's only you that are treating him like a prince and the right thing to do is help out?

ViciousCurrentBun · 05/12/2024 17:24

DH took some training, his family had a housekeeper and then he lived in halls of residence for years and then was a lodger in a family home. So at the grand old age of 28 when I first met him he had literally done FA. He is still a bit shit at understanding priority and needs direction on occasion but we split chores well.

I was running the family home when my Mother was widowed when my stepfather died when I was 13 as she had a breakdown.

I taught DS how to cook at 13 and he has always had to help. He also went to cadets so can iron far better than I ever could. He cooks for his GF at our house when they have a little kitchen dinner date and we make ourselves scarce.

I knew full well making him a fully functioning adult was a job worth doing.

WasThatACorner · 05/12/2024 17:24

IamFineIamFINE · 05/12/2024 16:52

Name changed for this thread but long term poster.

So I see all the posts about how the Mum is to blame for adult men not pulling their weight around the house because 'Mummy' has spoiled him...but is it really the Mum's fault?

Surely as a grown adult you are responsible for your own behaviour?

I see it as the world is a hard place, My sons are only late teens, but I do still do more than I should for this reason. I would have loved to have parents who helped me. That one place where you feel safe and know someone will look after you.

Admittedly even they say at times I need to stop doing everything for them. but I want to. I want to try and alleviate some of the stress that comes with both teenage years and adulthood. They are lovely boys but I do worry I'm setting them up to think other people should look after them.

But surely it should be different if it's their Mum? I certainly wouldn't expect any partner to do it and would definitely give them a dressing down if they tried to shirk their responsibilities in a relationship. This is something I've spoken about along with compromising and respect.

I guess my AIBU is, am I setting myself up to be a hated MIL?

YABU - yes YANBU - no

I am interested in peoples thoughts on it.

You're doing them no favours doing everything for them and they don't even want you to.

Why not continue to be involved by teaching them skills? It seems more about you not wanting to stop being needed than helping them grow as their own people.