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AIBU to say I'm surprised a healthcare CEO hasn't been assassinated sooner?

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Chowtime · 05/12/2024 12:44

Obviously what's happened in America with regard to Brian Thompson is awful but surely it was only a matter of time before someone revolted against their billionaire dollar profits and lack of payouts for individuals who've paid in for years.

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LookingForAHandHold · 06/12/2024 23:26

I think what's becoming obvious is they've lost the shooter.

A very plain, unmemorable face, and realistically from the second picture it could be a woman.

izimbra · 06/12/2024 23:24

I read that half of all parents in the USA whose children are diagnosed with cancer end up declaring bankruptcy.

I wonder if this is true. As someone whose teenage son was diagnosed with leukaemia 2 years ago, I can't even begin to imagine the fear of facing losing your home on top of facing losing your child to a horrible disease. :-(

Any business model which relies for profits on people being denied healthcare is morally untenable in my view.

runrugrun · 06/12/2024 23:06

nfkl · 05/12/2024 15:00

There is a short story by Dino Buzzatti where suddenly, one day, the most powerful person in the world drops dead, no foul play, nothing, just dead. And the next week, the 2nd most powerful person drops dead as well, and the week after, the next most powerful person etc. etc.

In a few weeks, most of the world's problems were solved because nobody wanted to be powerful anymore ...

I often dream of this short story.

I'd be interested in reading this. What is the name of this short story? I couldn't find it on a quick google. Thanks for sharing.

Moresweetsplease · 06/12/2024 22:43

Its sad really, this man probably thought he had it all. Super rich, head of massive company, had a wife and kids to share his money with - but now look at his legacy?

There are so many people either outright glad he is dead or sharing testimonies of United Healthcare screwed them over etc. This was his mark on the world.

There are more important things in life than how much money you hoard.

Moresweetsplease · 06/12/2024 22:40

jasjas3008 · 06/12/2024 21:39

I don't think you can compare the new Labour Govt or any of its ministers to that of a CEO and company, that as a matter of policy and design chose to not treat people.
Maybe we could say it of Dentists though who refuse to treat people in agony because they don't have enough money.

Austerity has according to the LSE, cost 190,000 lives, using measures of excess mortality.

Even if it was a 1/10th of that, its still pretty horrific.

But i don't think anyone in the Tory Government "has it coming"

Exactly. As vile as the Tory government were and how much misery, harm and deaths they indirectly caused through austerity, sanctioning vulnerable people on benefits etc I still wouldn’t support any vigilante action against them (or anyone else)

jasjas3008 · 06/12/2024 21:40

PetuniaT · 06/12/2024 21:35

...and neither am I.

You were....

jasjas3008 · 06/12/2024 21:39

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I don't think you can compare the new Labour Govt or any of its ministers to that of a CEO and company, that as a matter of policy and design chose to not treat people.
Maybe we could say it of Dentists though who refuse to treat people in agony because they don't have enough money.

Austerity has according to the LSE, cost 190,000 lives, using measures of excess mortality.

Even if it was a 1/10th of that, its still pretty horrific.

But i don't think anyone in the Tory Government "has it coming"

PetuniaT · 06/12/2024 21:35

Mrsbloggz · 06/12/2024 21:33

For the avoidance of doubt I will reiterate that I am NOT in any way shape or form in favor of vigilantism.

...and neither am I.

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For the avoidance of doubt I will reiterate that I am NOT in any way shape or form in favor of vigilantism.

SybilTheSpy · 06/12/2024 21:32

the NYPD offering 'up to $10K' reward for anyone who helps identify the killer seems very 'meh, we're really not that fussed'.

CaptainMyCaptain · 06/12/2024 21:30

YANBU the same thought crossed my mind. Not condoning it obviously.

PetuniaT · 06/12/2024 21:28

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CassandraWebb · 06/12/2024 21:27

Yanbu. I find it astonishing people want to switch to a US style system.
I know even wealthy people in the US who have been left utterly broken by the cost of co-pays or the exhaustion of battling insurers for approval of things I was given immediately on the NHS

TheThreeCheesesOfTheApocalypse44 · 06/12/2024 21:24

Yanbu........and thus will be just the tip of the iceberg. I think there'll be A LOT of copycats. 😬

SybilTheSpy · 06/12/2024 21:24

Chowtime · 05/12/2024 12:44

Obviously what's happened in America with regard to Brian Thompson is awful but surely it was only a matter of time before someone revolted against their billionaire dollar profits and lack of payouts for individuals who've paid in for years.

is it awful?

Cloudysky81 · 06/12/2024 19:40

I’m surprised too, it would seem to be a bad idea to be CEO of a company that denies people life saving treatment in a country with a large amount of firearms.

anon666 · 06/12/2024 19:36

Was he billionaire?

Supersimkin7 · 06/12/2024 19:28

one of those lightbulb moments where you find out why & say why on earth hasn’t this happened before.

Wonder how many people the CEO finished off. We’ll never know- funny, that.

fetchacloth · 06/12/2024 19:19

BMW6 · 05/12/2024 12:55

I thought the same! If they catch the killer I'd love to read the backstory.

I thought the same too. I should think there is a backstory to this no doubt.

CulturalNomad · 06/12/2024 18:40

Quick, execution style killing with a silencer. Apparently arrived by bus and stayed in a cheap hostel under a fake name.
It's Jack Reacher!

@ElaborateCushion I think you're solved it! But he definitely looks like the Tom Cruise version of Reacher as opposed to that hulking hunk in the Amazon Prime show.

CulturalNomad · 06/12/2024 18:33

OhcantthInkofaname · 06/12/2024 18:14

I am in the US. I ended up completely disabled because an insurance company refused to permit an MRI that would have diagnosed an issue that was treatable. It wasn't Unitedhealthcare. But I'm unphased by this happening. I'm surprised it hasn't happened sooner.

To be fair, I just read a post on another thread where the same thing happened to someone in the UK: NHS refused an MRI resulting in delayed diagnosis etc.

But there is a culture of gun violence in the US that doesn't exist in the UK and I'm doubtful that there'd be a lot of cheering if an NHS administrator was murdered as a protest.

I'm still not convinced that this shooting wasn't related to something in the personal life of the victim v/s outrage over insurance practices. But we'll see in due time!

gannett · 06/12/2024 18:25

cyrkus · 06/12/2024 14:52

So interesting @Icannoteven

Can we refer to this as the banality of evil? Hannah Arendt and then Zygmont Bauman in particular wrote about this - with reference to the holocaust specifically, but the principle of ordinary people committing evil acts while 'simply' doing their jobs obviously travels. There are, of course, difficulties with this including who adjudicates on where we draw the line? Where is the distinction from mob justice? I guess there's a big difference between (moral) accountability and assassination. We can and should aim for a lot more of the former.

I find it useful to subdivide "the banality of evil" into those who enact harmful policies on behalf of the state (the Home Office over the past decade certainly counts, and it's essentially the basic conceptual MO of a police force) and those who enact harmful policies because it's the logic of their societal system (capitalism, in this case, which would apply to Brian Thompson).

But the thing that underlies my lack of sympathy in this case is the fact that in all those cases accountability isn't possible without revolution, because the harm enacted is a feature of the system, not a bug.

OhcantthInkofaname · 06/12/2024 18:14

I am in the US. I ended up completely disabled because an insurance company refused to permit an MRI that would have diagnosed an issue that was treatable. It wasn't Unitedhealthcare. But I'm unphased by this happening. I'm surprised it hasn't happened sooner.

Icannoteven · 06/12/2024 17:45

cyrkus · 06/12/2024 14:52

So interesting @Icannoteven

Can we refer to this as the banality of evil? Hannah Arendt and then Zygmont Bauman in particular wrote about this - with reference to the holocaust specifically, but the principle of ordinary people committing evil acts while 'simply' doing their jobs obviously travels. There are, of course, difficulties with this including who adjudicates on where we draw the line? Where is the distinction from mob justice? I guess there's a big difference between (moral) accountability and assassination. We can and should aim for a lot more of the former.

Oh, interesting. I haven’t heard about Hannah Arendt or zygmont bowman but I will add them to my reading list.

Icannoteven · 06/12/2024 17:43

SquirrelSoShiny · 06/12/2024 15:53

@Icannoteven I missed your post pre-deletion. Are you able to reword it in a way that doesn't breach the guidelines? I know @cyrkus found it interesting.

I don’t think I can reword it without it getting deleted, unfortunately as it was really just a list of organisations/people I hoped be held accountable in a similar way 😂