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Work sustainability policy dictating crap food

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ThisBrickOtter · 05/12/2024 10:02

So, my employer has gone on a sustainability bender (don't look at this happening at the same time as the expensive and resource consuming rebrand). This now means for our dept get together, which usually has food, only vegan or vegetarian options are available. This is really annoying me.

I'm a pro thought for the environment type but my choices don't extend to meat (I don't find the vegan argument convincing, I do the vegetarian one, but got ill when tried that). I consume what meat I can afford, thoughtfully.

I do have an unusual relationship with food. Part neurodiversity (this extends to authority at times, something I keep an eye on!), part poor childhood. I think this might be contributing to my reaction.

But yep, I feel angry that my food choices are being taken away. Last meeting I was at where they did this, only the sweet food got completely finished. The savory vege sandwiches and fallafel was picked at. Same with the fake chicken. The policy is resulting in more food waste, not less. So that annoys me too.

I have no issue with people's personal choices, but this feels like being lectured to about drinking but a very drunk uncle.

AIBU feeling this way?

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WingsofRain · 05/12/2024 17:17

Ponderingwindow · 05/12/2024 14:32

Strictly vegetarian and vegan offerings tend to be trickier in terms of allergy avoidance so I find them irksome. It makes providing full ingredient lists and asking about allergens in advance even more important. Labeling common allergens is not sufficient.

I agree. I would like to be vegetarian but I have an allium allergy and it’s pretty much impossible to eat anything catered that is both vegan and safe for me.

Plain egg and mayonnaise or cheese sandwiches would be perfect, but these days it seems to be a procession of complicated fillings that all have alliums of some sort shoehorned in, or worse, completely anonymous stuff in bread that is probably contaminated with all the other fillings anyway.

Oh, and don’t even start me on the samosas and similar mystery parcels of doom! 😂

Frowningprovidence · 05/12/2024 17:16

It's a real shame if it's increasing food waste and that needs to be addressed.

If your employer provides all your meals every day, I would be annoyed. But I struggle a bit with the odd meeting being a huge problem.

I dont go to many catered meetings but they have normally been sad sandwiches, crisps and fruit.

I'm not sure I really would miss catering ham if I was offered roasted red peppers and pesto instead or instead of egg mayo got hummus or avacado and tomatoes.

Maybe others are getting more exciting meat dishes at thier meetings.

Thingamebobwotsit · 05/12/2024 17:05

I can't eat a lot of veggie/vegan food unless I make it myself as it has so much soya in it... next time say you have allergies to nuts and soya and see what alternatives they come up with.

I am less worried about eating meat as we don't eat a lot anyway, but most commercially prepared vegetarian and vegan food is awful. In fact. Thinking about it I hate commercial buffets full stop.

FlabbergastedByTheGorgons · 05/12/2024 17:04

I imagine the animals involved were rather more depressed.

SereneFish · 05/12/2024 16:59

FlabbergastedByTheGorgons · 05/12/2024 16:46

Not eating bits of animal flesh made you depressed? You can't have one meat-free meal without triggering mental illness? Really?!

I know, what a load of shite but quite amusing to read!

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 05/12/2024 16:57

Our City Council did this. ( and so did Cambridge) . Vegan exclusively , whooo 😇😇we’re so wonderful.

Until the local rag printed some pics of the huge piles of stuff left untouched to be thrown away ( I don’t know why it didn’t go to some sort of charity, maybe they thought that would be unnecessarily unkind), which caused a rethink ( I can’t reist saying ‘egg on faces’)

sweetpickle2 · 05/12/2024 16:52

Porridgeislife · 05/12/2024 16:46

Where did I say that?

I ate the sandwiches but because it was carbs, carbs and more carbs I was hungry with the hour.

I think most people would read what you wrote and take from it that you didn't eat the food, but fair enough I retract.

Porridgeislife · 05/12/2024 16:46

sweetpickle2 · 05/12/2024 16:45

"I don’t willingly restrict my diet to a minority of food" when you just said you willingly went hungry rather than eating a non-healthy carb laden sandwich for one meal of your life? Okay.

Where did I say that?

I ate the sandwiches but because it was carbs, carbs and more carbs I was hungry with the hour.

FlabbergastedByTheGorgons · 05/12/2024 16:46

Not eating bits of animal flesh made you depressed? You can't have one meat-free meal without triggering mental illness? Really?!

sweetpickle2 · 05/12/2024 16:45

Porridgeislife · 05/12/2024 16:43

Hardly. Scrutiny of a company’s carbon footprint is increasing, not decreasing.

But, OP YANBU. These sorts of stunts absolutely get on my tits. I attended a course at an engineering firm and it transpired they’d gone meat free and of course the sandwiches and sides were absolutely dire, laden with carbs and not particularly healthy. I couldn’t leave to get food as there wasn’t time so spent the afternoon with a rumbling stomach & of course good luck if you’re gluten free.

Veggies and vegans like to moan that now you can understand how they feel, but I don’t willingly restrict my diet to a minority of food. If you are going to do that, or are forced to through allergies, of course you’re going to be offered limited options.

"I don’t willingly restrict my diet to a minority of food" when you just said you willingly went hungry rather than eating a non-healthy carb laden sandwich for one meal of your life? Okay.

Porridgeislife · 05/12/2024 16:43

Andsoitbeganagain · 05/12/2024 12:20

I'm with you op, grit your teeth and wait for the next corporate big idea to wash in. Be reassured that it's unlikely to last long and that the tide is steadily turning on this kind of nonsense.

Hardly. Scrutiny of a company’s carbon footprint is increasing, not decreasing.

But, OP YANBU. These sorts of stunts absolutely get on my tits. I attended a course at an engineering firm and it transpired they’d gone meat free and of course the sandwiches and sides were absolutely dire, laden with carbs and not particularly healthy. I couldn’t leave to get food as there wasn’t time so spent the afternoon with a rumbling stomach & of course good luck if you’re gluten free.

Veggies and vegans like to moan that now you can understand how they feel, but I don’t willingly restrict my diet to a minority of food. If you are going to do that, or are forced to through allergies, of course you’re going to be offered limited options.

claudiawinklemansfringetrimmer · 05/12/2024 16:42

Lentilweaver · 05/12/2024 11:31

But fake meat isn't very sustainable or healthy, no?

according to the carbon trust, compared to beef mince, Quorn mince has 4% of the carbon footprint, 6% of the land-use footprint and 8% of the water footprint.
compared to a pork sausage, a Quorn sausage has 11% of the carbon footprint, 21% of the land-use footprint and 39% of the water footprint.

sweetpickle2 · 05/12/2024 16:40

ThisBrickOtter · 05/12/2024 16:31

Oddly enough, food I'm not used to, can. I tend to avoid overly processed and need to be careful what I eat. When there's a range I can cobble something together. Usually a ton of chicken a protein is not something that triggers the stomach stuff.

Do you not see that you being unable to "cobble together a meal" from what's on offer is no different to a vegetarian being unable to "cobble together a meal" when what's normally on offer is a load of meat as the de facto standard?

Non veggies and vegans have had choice for years, and now on the odd occasion the tables are turned it's suddenly an outrageous step on your right to choose. Just like they've got on with it for this long, maybe you can just get on with it for one meal every so often.

Patterncarmen · 05/12/2024 16:39

I’d bring a pack up with the food you like. I worked at a university and the catering was so poor that I brought a lunch for years.

ThisBrickOtter · 05/12/2024 16:38

Brefugee · 05/12/2024 14:37

i had assumed OP meant that following a vegetarian diet made her ill. One meal now and again won't kill anyone (unless it's laced with arsenic of course)

FWIW our canteen has one meat option per day and 3 veggie, at least one is vegan. When they announced it all the usual suspects got in a snit. Bottom line: more people than ever are eating in there, all the meals are good and we have a "salad/anti-pasti" bar that uses up leftovers well.

It made me depressed. Same with my brother. I think there's an assumption that everyone's body type is the same. It's not. I seem to eat a lot of meat protein and when I'm ill, will go nuts for it. Getting cravings. I like things like tofu, but when my body wants meat, it wants meat.

I have a stomach issue that plays up, like if I go on holiday, it's not happy. Food it's not used to, unhappy. I've found I've got through that things in the past by mainly eating the chicken!

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HunterHearstHelmsley · 05/12/2024 16:37

I'm an ex-veggie and really like fake meat. I think I'm an anomaly though! I'd be really happy with Quorn ham sandwiches, instead of ham sandwiches.

However, mock meat is an acquired taste. A lot of people, veggie, vegan or not, do not like it. The texture is a bit strange so I understand that. It seems thoroughly pointless to provide food that the majority don't want.

As someone upthread said, it's an excuse to cut costs. No point in paying for a buffet if no one is going to eat it.

ExitPursuedByAGummyBear · 05/12/2024 16:35

@DoreenonTill8 I’ll do the honours 😋. It's ooonnly one meal! Surely you can eat vegan for one meal?????!!!

ThisBrickOtter · 05/12/2024 16:34

Cakeandusername · 05/12/2024 12:38

Is there any way to feedback (ideally with photos of food waste) and suggest get together isn’t catered at all or some type of preference expression to avoid food waste.
How is it labelled for allergies. Fake imitation food needs ckear labelling eg real cheese - dairy intolerance knows to avoid. Vegan ‘cheese’ made from oil, additives etc may need avoiding by people with nut allergies etc.

Good idea. I'll try to sneak a photo. It kills me seeing perfectly good food going to waste. Well, bar the Solent Green esque chicken. That stuff will be used to build shelters post apocalypse.

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aodirjjd · 05/12/2024 16:33

Cakeandusername · 05/12/2024 15:49

The employers can choose to offer what food they want or none but don’t dress it up as more sustainable if it isn’t.
Cheese - main ingredient milk.
Cathedral city plant based ingredients below - rice, coconut, bamboo fibre won’t be from uk.
It also make things more complex for people with allergies or health issues. Cheese sandwich on buffet - most people know if safe or not for them obviously pass if you are dairy intolerant. Plant cheese - lots pass as no idea what’s in it or choose to avoid processed fake food which results in food waste which goes against original aim.

This is so amazingly naive Im not surprised the environment is fucked.

cows need food. They don’t just eat grass. Some of it is grown in U.K. some of it isn’t.

cows belch out a huge amount of greenhouse gases just by existing.

Then add in all the supplements and antibiotics needed to keep cows healthy, energy used to process milk and make it into cheese etc etc

why don’t you try comparing carbon footprint for dairy vs fake dairy?

ThisBrickOtter · 05/12/2024 16:32

Completelyjo · 05/12/2024 14:40

You used to carry around emergency beef sandwiches in case you were presented with a free cheese sandwich?

I'm actually thinking of bringing a sausage sandwich.

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ThisBrickOtter · 05/12/2024 16:31

Mittens67 · 05/12/2024 10:50

Why would eating vegetarian food make you ill?

Oddly enough, food I'm not used to, can. I tend to avoid overly processed and need to be careful what I eat. When there's a range I can cobble something together. Usually a ton of chicken a protein is not something that triggers the stomach stuff.

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ThisBrickOtter · 05/12/2024 16:29

ElaborateCushion · 05/12/2024 10:42

"at the same time as the expensive and resource consuming rebrand"

Jaguar??

🤣 no! But just as wanky.

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ThisBrickOtter · 05/12/2024 16:28

Lentilweaver · 05/12/2024 10:13

I dont know why people think veggies want food that mimics meat.

Neither do I. Bar sausages and Linda McCartney pies!

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sweetpickle2 · 05/12/2024 16:20

Cakeandusername · 05/12/2024 15:49

The employers can choose to offer what food they want or none but don’t dress it up as more sustainable if it isn’t.
Cheese - main ingredient milk.
Cathedral city plant based ingredients below - rice, coconut, bamboo fibre won’t be from uk.
It also make things more complex for people with allergies or health issues. Cheese sandwich on buffet - most people know if safe or not for them obviously pass if you are dairy intolerant. Plant cheese - lots pass as no idea what’s in it or choose to avoid processed fake food which results in food waste which goes against original aim.

The dairy industry is so overwhelmingly bad for the environment (greenhouse gas emissions, water pollution, soil degradation, water usage, to name a few) that I would imagine any comparison to flying in ingredients from elsewhere (that will be used for many things besides dairy substitutes) barely touches the sides.

Honeycrisp · 05/12/2024 15:59

Your choices aren't being taken away, so yabvu there.

But otherwise I get it. I'd be irritated. Your neurodiversity means you're more limited than average in the food you can eat. Whether other people understand or find that logical is immaterial. It's not very inclusive to limit the types of food provided without considering the dietary needs of employees. And it's obviously not sustainable for them to provide food that doesn't get eaten and only ends up contributing to more food waste.

Agree with the poster upthread who said it's probably going to end up as a cost cutting exercise.