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Work sustainability policy dictating crap food

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ThisBrickOtter · 05/12/2024 10:02

So, my employer has gone on a sustainability bender (don't look at this happening at the same time as the expensive and resource consuming rebrand). This now means for our dept get together, which usually has food, only vegan or vegetarian options are available. This is really annoying me.

I'm a pro thought for the environment type but my choices don't extend to meat (I don't find the vegan argument convincing, I do the vegetarian one, but got ill when tried that). I consume what meat I can afford, thoughtfully.

I do have an unusual relationship with food. Part neurodiversity (this extends to authority at times, something I keep an eye on!), part poor childhood. I think this might be contributing to my reaction.

But yep, I feel angry that my food choices are being taken away. Last meeting I was at where they did this, only the sweet food got completely finished. The savory vege sandwiches and fallafel was picked at. Same with the fake chicken. The policy is resulting in more food waste, not less. So that annoys me too.

I have no issue with people's personal choices, but this feels like being lectured to about drinking but a very drunk uncle.

AIBU feeling this way?

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LoveIsLikeAFartIfYouHaveToPushItsUsuallyShit · 06/12/2024 09:32

mitogoshigg · 06/12/2024 06:42

I don't eat fake meat, milk or cheese though - they aren't nice and quorn gives me stomach aches.

Quorn gives lots of people reaction. Dh throws up violently. Unfortunate found out while in a city centre....
There was at one point discussion that the ampunt of people who react, it should maybe be marked as proper allergen.

mitogoshigg · 06/12/2024 06:42

I don't eat fake meat, milk or cheese though - they aren't nice and quorn gives me stomach aches.

mitogoshigg · 06/12/2024 06:40

Depends a lot on what they are serving - not all veggie and vegan food is sustainable!

However if it's couscous, roasted veggies and hummus that sounds lovely

BlackChunkyBoots · 06/12/2024 06:06

BlackChunkyBoots · 06/12/2024 06:05

Dad turned veggie this year and we did try Quorn/TVP style meat replacement but we both decided it's pretty gross. I hate Tofu too, but DD likes it, however this is an ancient food, not stuff grown in a lab. So we eat a diet based on beans, pulses, nuts, veggies, and dairy foods. I am still a meat eater but it's cheaper to cook one meal over two.

I take issue with fake meat & milk anyway, it takes a lot of energy and added flavourings to make this fake nonsense taste nice. Sometimes there's so many chemicals and things I can't pronounce in this stuff I wonder how much better it is really over eating a fish fillet or a breast of chicken.

As for waste, OMG yes! I hate it. It's not sustainable if too much is being ordered and it's not eaten! All that time, energy, money and resources wasted.

DD not Dad

BlackChunkyBoots · 06/12/2024 06:05

Dad turned veggie this year and we did try Quorn/TVP style meat replacement but we both decided it's pretty gross. I hate Tofu too, but DD likes it, however this is an ancient food, not stuff grown in a lab. So we eat a diet based on beans, pulses, nuts, veggies, and dairy foods. I am still a meat eater but it's cheaper to cook one meal over two.

I take issue with fake meat & milk anyway, it takes a lot of energy and added flavourings to make this fake nonsense taste nice. Sometimes there's so many chemicals and things I can't pronounce in this stuff I wonder how much better it is really over eating a fish fillet or a breast of chicken.

As for waste, OMG yes! I hate it. It's not sustainable if too much is being ordered and it's not eaten! All that time, energy, money and resources wasted.

malificent7 · 06/12/2024 05:02

Take a pack lunch with plenty of neat and pointedly munch loudly.

Bjorkdidit · 06/12/2024 03:11

CharlotteStreetW1 · 05/12/2024 20:51

I eat meat but when I cater a party, most of the food is vegetarian (because the curious carnivores always eat the vegetarian stuff anyway leaving the poor vegetarians with a lettuce leaf and a dollop of egg mayo with a stale nub of baguette) with a couple of token meat dishes.

I agree with the OP that if the vegetarian/vegan catering is particularly unappetising, then there will be more waste and perhaps the choices could be re-thought because there is so much delicious food that doesn't involve meat or animal products but the principle is sound and I think the OP is giving this way too much headspace.

People are omnivores not carnivores.

It's not 'curious' to want to eat a falafel, egg sandwich or a piece of spanokopita, it's normal food that anyone could eat.

Just because people do eat meat doesn't mean they need or want everything to contain meat so they're likely to be selecting the things they like or choosing a variety of food so they don't end up with a plate of 'five ways of processed pork'.

StandingSideBySide · 05/12/2024 23:46

ThisBrickOtter · 05/12/2024 21:25

Good point. A couple of vege colleagues not happy too and that makes sense now.

@CharlotteStreetW1 you're absolutely right there.
For a very short while us vegetarians actually got a decent choice in restaurants and now once again we don’t. All the lovely cheesy foods are now made with awful vegan cheese.
Aparently, once again, we don’t get a choice.
We had to put up with meat only now it’s vegan only.
Im sick of it.

PinkSparklyPussyCat · 05/12/2024 22:44

Mittens67 · 05/12/2024 10:50

Why would eating vegetarian food make you ill?

It depends what it is. I can't eat mushrooms, quorn type things, lentils or chickpeas. This kind of limits what I can have and even more so if the food was vegan as I wouldn't be able to have egg.

PippaSews · 05/12/2024 22:39

I can't eat wheat.
I'm lucky if there is anything I can eat at a work event (that I haven't brought myself) - and after a memorable 5am-10pm work trip which I was told was fully catered and allergen friendly, but the only food the catering company could find for me was an orange they'd planned to use as a garnish, I either take my own food, or have preresearched plans to order a takeaway delivered to the event if the food isn't acceptable.

I'd be horrified if the only food provided was the cardboard wheat/gluten free over processed crap, that while 'safe' to eat, barely qualifies as food.

Could you cater wheat free and provide a delicious nutritious meal with plenty of options, yes. Is this what happens, no.

So my recommendation is to stage a rebellion, and order locally produced pizza/sushi/your food of choice to be delivered fresh to your workplace, and eat it in front of the management team. Bonus points for loudly stating your disappointment in the lack of support for British/Scottish/Welsh/Irish/wherever you are based pig/cow/chicken farmers

TofuTart · 05/12/2024 22:32

ThisBrickOtter · 05/12/2024 21:26

Trust me not this one.

Why?
What food will be there?

itsmylife7 · 05/12/2024 21:28

ThisBrickOtter · 05/12/2024 21:26

Trust me not this one.

why ?

ThisBrickOtter · 05/12/2024 21:26

itsmylife7 · 05/12/2024 20:55

I love a vegetarian buffet and I'm a meat eater.

Trust me not this one.

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ThisBrickOtter · 05/12/2024 21:25

CharlotteStreetW1 · 05/12/2024 20:56

Trouble is, caterers are lazy and think the vegetarians want the crap the vegans want

See also restaurants. One of my vegetarian cousin says she still wants her veggie lasagne (for example) oozing béchamel sauce and real cheese but vegetarian choices as opposed to vegan are increasingly hard to find.

Good point. A couple of vege colleagues not happy too and that makes sense now.

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ThisBrickOtter · 05/12/2024 21:24

PerkyViper · 05/12/2024 20:12

You're being quite childish OP...you're not being 'dictated to' just because your workplace isn't pandering to your every whim 🤣

Calling it dystopian 😂😂 lord. You have given me a good giggle today. I assume you're quite young. This is not the hill to die on

Not young. You should have seen what I was like when i was young if you want a real laugh!

I often know when it's me being ridiculous. But in this case I was not sure. I am diagnosed with a neurodiversity and am prone to poor emotional regulation which is very context dependent. I do also have a stomach issue that flares up. Again that's context dependent. Just a new environment can set it off. I avoid processed food and a lot of the supposedly vegan stuff, in this place is highly processed. I've had great vegan food but this ain't it. It's a food like product branded as vegan. Plus crap catering.

The whole initiative is producing loads of food waste. So declaring it sustainable is just nuts.

I'm gonna take a photo of the left over food speak to vege' colleagues, and see if we can at least push them to make food that gets eaten.

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Thepurplepig · 05/12/2024 21:01

ThisBrickOtter · 05/12/2024 10:02

So, my employer has gone on a sustainability bender (don't look at this happening at the same time as the expensive and resource consuming rebrand). This now means for our dept get together, which usually has food, only vegan or vegetarian options are available. This is really annoying me.

I'm a pro thought for the environment type but my choices don't extend to meat (I don't find the vegan argument convincing, I do the vegetarian one, but got ill when tried that). I consume what meat I can afford, thoughtfully.

I do have an unusual relationship with food. Part neurodiversity (this extends to authority at times, something I keep an eye on!), part poor childhood. I think this might be contributing to my reaction.

But yep, I feel angry that my food choices are being taken away. Last meeting I was at where they did this, only the sweet food got completely finished. The savory vege sandwiches and fallafel was picked at. Same with the fake chicken. The policy is resulting in more food waste, not less. So that annoys me too.

I have no issue with people's personal choices, but this feels like being lectured to about drinking but a very drunk uncle.

AIBU feeling this way?

I have no issue with plates of fresh fruit and veg but the fake meat and cheese is so bad for our health.

CharlotteStreetW1 · 05/12/2024 20:56

Trouble is, caterers are lazy and think the vegetarians want the crap the vegans want

See also restaurants. One of my vegetarian cousin says she still wants her veggie lasagne (for example) oozing béchamel sauce and real cheese but vegetarian choices as opposed to vegan are increasingly hard to find.

itsmylife7 · 05/12/2024 20:55

I love a vegetarian buffet and I'm a meat eater.

CharlotteStreetW1 · 05/12/2024 20:51

I eat meat but when I cater a party, most of the food is vegetarian (because the curious carnivores always eat the vegetarian stuff anyway leaving the poor vegetarians with a lettuce leaf and a dollop of egg mayo with a stale nub of baguette) with a couple of token meat dishes.

I agree with the OP that if the vegetarian/vegan catering is particularly unappetising, then there will be more waste and perhaps the choices could be re-thought because there is so much delicious food that doesn't involve meat or animal products but the principle is sound and I think the OP is giving this way too much headspace.

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Bananamanlovesyou · 05/12/2024 20:34

Coronation chickpea sand which! Devine. But yeah happy to eat falafels and proper vegan food. No thanks to the upf dairy and meat substitutes which made me very ill at a recent conference with fully vegan food!

PerkyViper · 05/12/2024 20:12

You're being quite childish OP...you're not being 'dictated to' just because your workplace isn't pandering to your every whim 🤣

Calling it dystopian 😂😂 lord. You have given me a good giggle today. I assume you're quite young. This is not the hill to die on

StandingSideBySide · 05/12/2024 20:01

ThisBrickOtter · 05/12/2024 19:57

Yes there used to be a few highlights that were meat or fish based.

Now it's like serving up food from a dystopia.

The use of the term dystopia suggests it’s more about being told what you’re going to get than anything else.

Suggest you turn it around and if it’s something you’re arranging you chose the veggie choices and if it’s not you suggest some.

Its not that often

Frowningprovidence · 05/12/2024 20:00

It does sound like more of a quality issue than specifically that it's veggie/vegan.

Do you ever get feedback forms, where your guests can all complain about the food so it's not coming from you?

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