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To think we shouldn't have to work the day before Christmas Eve?

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blinddoorshyt · 05/12/2024 09:33

I work in a bathroom shop.
We are closed over Christmas and were lead to believe we broke up on the 22nd
Turns out now we don't
On the 23rd we have to travel to Manchester (3 hours each way ) to have a buffet and games with the company owner.
We have to listen to a presentation on how the company's done this year.
If we don't go we will have a day deducted from our salary.
It's the day before Christmas Eve and we have to drive to Manchester to have picky food with the owner and play Christmas games.
Aibu to think it's ridiculous?
And we have been repeatedly told if we don't go we won't get paid and it will halt any progression in the company !

OP posts:
OonaStubbs · 07/12/2024 01:32

For most people having bank holidays off comes out of the holiday allowance.

I have one non BH day off this year - the 27th. Working the 23rd, 24th, 30th, 31st and 2nd.

jaamy · 07/12/2024 01:24

I think standard in a lot of businesses is Christmas day and boxing day off (bank holidays). Anything else is taken out of your holiday allowance.
Hospitality and a lot of retail have to work Christmas and boxing day too.

SapphireSeptember · 07/12/2024 00:12

SezFrankly · 06/12/2024 09:09

Is this your first job? I'm going to assume so.
"having Christmas off" in retail means Xmas day and Boxing Day - and there's plenty of people who don't get that perk.

Having a team build event in Manchester where you'll actually find out what's happening, what to expect in the future etc is a good thing. This shows your company treats its employees well. You may not be interested in doing any more than bare minimum, but some of your colleagues will be and they'll probably get a lot from the day.

You sound immature, unambitious and weirdly entitled. Your description of "black eye Friday" says it all.

What's wrong with not being ambitious? I work in a shop, and I've always had the mentality of showing up to work, doing my job then going home again. I don't take crap (like doing a closing shift then an opening because it's less than the required 11 hour gap) which means I'll never be a manager (oh dear, what a shame, nevermind.) They've tried to get me to do them and I point blank refuse, I always refuse working on a Sunday too. (As is my legal right. I go to church instead.)

Also for some areas of retail Christmas is our quietest period. Unfortunately in others they're open on Boxing Day too, I used to work in a supermarket café and worked a lot of Boxing Days (including 2020 during lockdown! Obviously the café was closed, but it was shit. Should have phoned in sick.)

JenniferBooth · 07/12/2024 00:10

MirandaJH · 06/12/2024 23:48

I’ve travelled longer than that to visit relatives I didn’t really want to see, spent a few hours bored out of my mind, had to pay for a takeaway I didn’t want, it cost a fortune in petrol, and it was during my Christmas holidays. I can understand the annoyance she’s facing but people do much more than that for free.

How is it the OPs fault that you cant stand up to your relatives.

MirandaJH · 06/12/2024 23:48

TheDowagerCountessofPembroke · 06/12/2024 23:18

But would you be happy to drive for 6 hours in heavy traffic to do so?

I’ve travelled longer than that to visit relatives I didn’t really want to see, spent a few hours bored out of my mind, had to pay for a takeaway I didn’t want, it cost a fortune in petrol, and it was during my Christmas holidays. I can understand the annoyance she’s facing but people do much more than that for free.

AmateurDad · 06/12/2024 23:37

blinddoorshyt · 05/12/2024 09:39

As I said when the company opened
We were told we close black eye Friday
Also the days we are closed over Christmas come out of our holiday allowance

Never heard that phrase before.. had to look it up...

Deeperthantheocean · 06/12/2024 23:29

Bit of a pain having to travel for something for company whim but if fuel.paid and free and easy day I would just suck it up. Some of us are working Christams eve and over the holidays so doesn't seem that big a deal to me but the travel would. X

JenniferBooth · 06/12/2024 23:24

Memyaelf · 06/12/2024 09:17

She didn’t say travelling expenses were not paid, just that she had to travel.

In relation to comparing essential services.. you do know, don’t you, that NO NHS worker wants to work at this time of year. we sign up because it’s a vocation that overrides working conditions, for the benefit of people like you and the op.

The OP’s terms and conditions are to work on this non Christmas day.

Didnt benefit my dad much who died two months ago after an unsafe discharge.

TheDowagerCountessofPembroke · 06/12/2024 23:18

MirandaJH · 06/12/2024 23:17

I would love to be paid 2 days before Christmas just to eat food and play games. I work at a nursery and we always have to work Christmas Eve until 1pm (unless it’s a weekend). It’s the most pointless thing ever, we just stick Peppa pig on the I-pad and hope no potty training kids sh*t themselves. Last year (I think?) because Christmas Eve was on a weekend I had to work the entire day (22nd) and do a deep clean whilst I had a full class of kids and some apprentice students to be in charge of. Meanwhile other rooms had less so loads of staff got to home early. I had a child there until past closing time, was pregnant and exhausted and still got whinged at in the New yr because I hadn’t gotten round to cleaning the skirting boards.

But would you be happy to drive for 6 hours in heavy traffic to do so?

MirandaJH · 06/12/2024 23:17

I would love to be paid 2 days before Christmas just to eat food and play games. I work at a nursery and we always have to work Christmas Eve until 1pm (unless it’s a weekend). It’s the most pointless thing ever, we just stick Peppa pig on the I-pad and hope no potty training kids sh*t themselves. Last year (I think?) because Christmas Eve was on a weekend I had to work the entire day (22nd) and do a deep clean whilst I had a full class of kids and some apprentice students to be in charge of. Meanwhile other rooms had less so loads of staff got to home early. I had a child there until past closing time, was pregnant and exhausted and still got whinged at in the New yr because I hadn’t gotten round to cleaning the skirting boards.

JenniferBooth · 06/12/2024 23:16

Memyaelf · 06/12/2024 08:58

You are moaning about having a company engagement event, all costs covered, including your time. Well just think… there are thousands of nurses, doctors, paramedics etc that DONT get 2 weeks off, and most have to work everyday except one day with Christmas and new year if they are lucky. You are being unreasonable.

And much like during Covid when NHS workers on here were moaning to supermarket workers that THEY had to wear masks so the supermarket workers must suck it up even though the latter chose jobs where mask wearing wasnt involved, the OP DID NOT choose to do that type of job either.

Switcher · 06/12/2024 23:12

Yes I think it's very unreasonable, given no expenses and having to do the travel in your own time. But I'm more invested in this "black eye Friday" you've mentioned several times.

TheFormidableMrsC · 06/12/2024 22:58

ArthurChristmas22 · 06/12/2024 21:00

@blinddoorshyt welcome to the world of work. As part of your employment, you are expected to attend company events. They are paying you for the day, therefore they can ask you to do anything they see as necessary to fulfil that role. It's an end of year event, with a presentation on the years performance. They may be seeking to show you next year's business plan, what needs to happen with sales, changes for the new year. It is clear you normally don't travel, you are very fortunate, that doesn't mean that you should expect to never travel. They've also offered you compensation in time in the New Year.
If you don't want to go, take the days leave. Your attitude to your employer suggests that perhaps they may do better with someone more committed.
Maybe have a think that many people will work Christmas, many people will drive hundreds of miles not just on the 23rd, but also 😱 24th, 25th, 26th etc, many won't get to see their families, many don't get offered time off for this, or get paid for their travel or have a job.

Another patronising post from somebody who clearly hasn't RTFT.

MrsCarson · 06/12/2024 22:54

I bet once you are all back at work, you will find out that hardly anyone went.
Especially shop floor staff who live a long way off.

MrsCarson · 06/12/2024 22:52

three hours each way that you pay for and you get two hours back, sod that. I'll take the day off they can keep a days pay, cheeky bastards.
You picked a job near your home for a reason.

JenniferBooth · 06/12/2024 22:44

Potentiallyplausible · 05/12/2024 12:16

Do you have evidence for this? I’m 59 and disabled and can easily not need the loo in a three-hour period. I would think it very odd if “most” adults can’t.

What about a fair few amount of women?

https://thebettermenopause.com/blogs/the-better-gut-community/menopause-diarrhoea-causes-treatment

Peri-Menopause Diarrhea: Hormones, Causes and Treatments

Can diarrhea be caused by menopause, where do hormone changes fit in, how long does it last and what can you do to reduce your symptoms?

https://thebettermenopause.com/blogs/the-better-gut-community/menopause-diarrhoea-causes-treatment

Itsafunione · 06/12/2024 22:35

Creamcakeandrhinos · 06/12/2024 22:18

It’s called black eye Friday where I live. People go out get drunk and cause all kinds of problems for the emergency services. Usually fights hence the black eye

That’s awful. Hate the drinking culture here.

It’s the first I’ve heard of it being called Black eye Friday.

Creamcakeandrhinos · 06/12/2024 22:18

It’s called black eye Friday where I live. People go out get drunk and cause all kinds of problems for the emergency services. Usually fights hence the black eye

StiffyByngsDogBartholomew · 06/12/2024 22:14

sunshinechaser · 05/12/2024 09:39

I would love a day like that instead of working! I work in a hospital and only get a half days annual leave (on Christmas Eve) and am working over Christmas and New Year. So I don't have a huge amount of sympathy I'm afraid.

This in general but I wouldn't be happy if I was expected to swallow the cost of travel and do it in my own time.

but if you work in a hospital/police/hospitality/similar business you can't really moan, we join those industries knowing it will involve weekends and bank hols etc

JenniferBooth · 06/12/2024 22:12

ForeveronMN · 05/12/2024 11:34

Missing the point?

When was a shop asst expected to drive 360 miles in one day for a mince pie and a pep talk, on the day half the country will be on the move for Xmas?

She's not a sales rep or a snr manager. She's on the minimum wage and was contracted to work in the shop.

That drive on that day will be far harder work than selling someone a new bath.

The lack of sympathy here is astounding.

Its pure snobbery. If she was in a high flying career there would be a lot more ppl on here saying her bosses are taking the piss

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 06/12/2024 22:01

ArthurChristmas22 · 06/12/2024 21:00

@blinddoorshyt welcome to the world of work. As part of your employment, you are expected to attend company events. They are paying you for the day, therefore they can ask you to do anything they see as necessary to fulfil that role. It's an end of year event, with a presentation on the years performance. They may be seeking to show you next year's business plan, what needs to happen with sales, changes for the new year. It is clear you normally don't travel, you are very fortunate, that doesn't mean that you should expect to never travel. They've also offered you compensation in time in the New Year.
If you don't want to go, take the days leave. Your attitude to your employer suggests that perhaps they may do better with someone more committed.
Maybe have a think that many people will work Christmas, many people will drive hundreds of miles not just on the 23rd, but also 😱 24th, 25th, 26th etc, many won't get to see their families, many don't get offered time off for this, or get paid for their travel or have a job.

If they're not paying for the six hours of overtime and reimbursing her travel costs they can go swivel, frankly.

JenniferBooth · 06/12/2024 21:59

ForeveronMN · 05/12/2024 10:42

I'd not go.

It sounds as if the owners have no idea of the traffic on the 23rd which is when most people will be travelling.

Going across country from Northumberland to Manchester is not an easy drive.
You should expect delays and you'd need to leave home very early.

The M6 is notorious for jams and accidents.

I'd find another job.

There must be plenty of work in shops between Morpeth and Newcastle- even if you have to travel into Newcastle each day.

Oh i think the owners know full well what the traffic will be like Thats why THEY are not doing the travelling and making the employees do it.

AsTim3GoesBy · 06/12/2024 21:50

blinddoorshyt · 05/12/2024 09:57

We aren't getting any travel expenses
We have been told we get 2 hours to use in January as a early finish

If your employer is requiring you to travel to a place of work that's not your usual place of work (which should be specified in your contract) then they should reimburse you for reasonable travel expenses. I think that should be mentioned in your contract as well.

When I was working, the standard compensation was 45p per mile driven, but it may be different at your workplace.
Check to see if the "extra time off in lieu of expenses" is mentioned in your contract.

Rubix89 · 06/12/2024 21:38

If you are working outside your normal work hours then I think it’s reasonable to not go. I also think it’s reasonable if it’s going to conflict commitments ie childcare or what have you. Especially with the travel time. I would also like to think that if it’s a fair distance away, your employer would be covering travel expenses surely?

Most places are open on 23rd and 24th. Especially anything to do with retail. If this event is not within your contracted hours then you shouldn’t lose money. Extra expenses should be covered by employer if you are expected to attend.

MarvellousMonsters · 06/12/2024 21:31

blinddoorshyt · 05/12/2024 09:51

The shop being open would of been fine
It's travelling to Manchester
Event starts at 9 am and finishes 6 pm
So won't be home till 9pm at night

It's completely unacceptable to expect you to leave home at 6am and get home after 9pm, just to play games etc. Are they providing transport? Overnight accommodation?

Are you in a union?

Also, what is Black eye Friday??