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To think we shouldn't have to work the day before Christmas Eve?

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blinddoorshyt · 05/12/2024 09:33

I work in a bathroom shop.
We are closed over Christmas and were lead to believe we broke up on the 22nd
Turns out now we don't
On the 23rd we have to travel to Manchester (3 hours each way ) to have a buffet and games with the company owner.
We have to listen to a presentation on how the company's done this year.
If we don't go we will have a day deducted from our salary.
It's the day before Christmas Eve and we have to drive to Manchester to have picky food with the owner and play Christmas games.
Aibu to think it's ridiculous?
And we have been repeatedly told if we don't go we won't get paid and it will halt any progression in the company !

OP posts:
JenniferBooth · 08/12/2024 17:12

Sassybooklover · 08/12/2024 13:12

If it's a normal working day for you, then I don't see how you can refuse to go! The 23rd December is a normal working day, as is the 24th. It's down to the discretion of the company how early they close and when. Yes, some companies will shut on the 20th and not reopen until January, this is common within the building and construction industry. However, if a person is self-employed, then it's not unreasonable for them to want the services of a bathroom shop on or before the 24th December. I used to have to work up until the 24th December, in an office based role, and we might be allowed to leave at 3 pm on that day. We would be expected to work between 27th December - 31st December too.

READ THE FUCKING THREAD FOR THE LOVE OF CHRIST

FestiveFruitloop · 08/12/2024 17:04

Hellisemptyallthdevilsarehere · 08/12/2024 15:34

My thoughts are that it's our own responsibility to pay commuting costs.

To and from our normal places of work, yes. Not three flipping hours, to a different location and back, on some whim of management who a) will be getting all their expenses paid and b) will probably be put up in some cushy hotel the night before, not have to set off at 6 a.m. or earlier the same day for this pointless hoop-jumping exercise.

Given some of your comments on this thread, you sound like your employers could be taking you for a complete mug and you'd still be bowing and scraping to them and being 'grateful' to have a job. Actually, come to think of it, you sound like my former employers. So glad my current ones actually treat me like a human being.

LarkspurLane · 08/12/2024 17:04

Hellisemptyallthdevilsarehere · 08/12/2024 16:56

I've made it clear I'm not outraged the employer isn't covering the cost for her, what exactly makes you think I think anyone else should help?

Edited

Are you this kind of employer?

Itsafunione · 08/12/2024 16:56

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 08/12/2024 13:19

This.

This thread is eye opening because it shows how these unreasonable employers get away with this shit.

Too many people willing to act like serfs who should be grateful to have any kind of job and not willing to stand up and say, "That's not in my contract so unless you're going to properly remunerate me for that I won't be doing it."

Completely agree. The phrase corporate bootlickers springs to mind.

I am in my late 30s and have had various jobs since age 17. Not one has asked me to travel 3 hours each way and then said I can’t claim travel expenses.

The fact some people are defending this is crazy.

Hellisemptyallthdevilsarehere · 08/12/2024 16:56

Hellisemptyallthdevilsarehere · 08/12/2024 15:39

I think I said it's up to us each to pay our own commuting costs. So probably not, but definitely worth making a ridiculous assertion like that.

I've made it clear I'm not outraged the employer isn't covering the cost for her, what exactly makes you think I think anyone else should help?

Hellisemptyallthdevilsarehere · 08/12/2024 16:54

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 08/12/2024 15:42

So what? She doesn't live anywhere near Manchester.

The whole if it was in New York... thing is just unnecessary and ridiculous, that's what.

LarkspurLane · 08/12/2024 16:43

Hellisemptyallthdevilsarehere · 08/12/2024 15:39

I think I said it's up to us each to pay our own commuting costs. So probably not, but definitely worth making a ridiculous assertion like that.

Do you really work somewhere that would expect you to take on 6 hours of driving (outside of your working hours) in one day and not pay you for it?
I've never come across that before.

What kind of business are you in?

TheFormidableMrsC · 08/12/2024 15:53

@Hellisemptyallthdevilsarehere You're right. I should not tell people to read the fucking thread, it's the fact that every time I get an alert, it's the same old shit from people who clearly haven't bothered. So probably best to let the thread fill up with that and I'll just hide it.

OP, I hope you find the courage to tell them their request is utterly unreasonable. I'd also be looking for a new job. Good luck.

TheDowagerCountessofPembroke · 08/12/2024 15:51

Hellisemptyallthdevilsarehere · 08/12/2024 15:40

This is in Manchester.

Yes, which is where the op isn’t.

If your work suddenly demanded that you had to pitch up somewhere 3 hours away would you be fine with that?

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 08/12/2024 15:42

Hellisemptyallthdevilsarehere · 08/12/2024 15:40

This is in Manchester.

So what? She doesn't live anywhere near Manchester.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 08/12/2024 15:41

Hellisemptyallthdevilsarehere · 08/12/2024 15:39

I think I said it's up to us each to pay our own commuting costs. So probably not, but definitely worth making a ridiculous assertion like that.

These aren't commuting costs though. They're asking her to travel to a completely different part of the country, which involves 6 hours' travel time and over 300 miles of driving, none of which they are intending to compensate her for.

Your point would only be valid if the OP was complaining about being asked to go to her actual work place, or somewhere a comparable distance away.

Hellisemptyallthdevilsarehere · 08/12/2024 15:40

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 08/12/2024 15:38

These aren't commuting costs.

Her job is a 15 minute drive away, not a 3 hour drive away.

If your employer wanted you to attend a meeting in New York, would you expect to pay for your own hotel and air fare?

This is in Manchester.

Hellisemptyallthdevilsarehere · 08/12/2024 15:39

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 08/12/2024 15:37

Will you put your hand in your pocket to contribute to the OP's petrol costs then?

I think I said it's up to us each to pay our own commuting costs. So probably not, but definitely worth making a ridiculous assertion like that.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 08/12/2024 15:38

Hellisemptyallthdevilsarehere · 08/12/2024 15:34

My thoughts are that it's our own responsibility to pay commuting costs.

These aren't commuting costs.

Her job is a 15 minute drive away, not a 3 hour drive away.

If your employer wanted you to attend a meeting in New York, would you expect to pay for your own hotel and air fare?

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 08/12/2024 15:37

Hellisemptyallthdevilsarehere · 08/12/2024 13:56

You're saying the same thing too....Rtft!!!! Lots of us actually have and have shown no signs of not doing (knowing what OP has said more accurately than those bemoaning the people who won't give up hours to rtfl), and are sick of being told we must. We still think being asked to travel once (obviously outside core working hours) isn't the end of the world.

Will you put your hand in your pocket to contribute to the OP's petrol costs then?

Hellisemptyallthdevilsarehere · 08/12/2024 15:34

FestiveFruitloop · 08/12/2024 15:17

What are your thoughts about the fact that the employer isn't covering travel expenses?

My thoughts are that it's our own responsibility to pay commuting costs.

FestiveFruitloop · 08/12/2024 15:19

OldScribbler · 08/12/2024 13:58

God help you if you ever have to live through something really difficult.

OP didn't say she thought it was difficult, she said it was ridiculous. Plenty on here agree.

FestiveFruitloop · 08/12/2024 15:17

Hellisemptyallthdevilsarehere · 08/12/2024 13:56

You're saying the same thing too....Rtft!!!! Lots of us actually have and have shown no signs of not doing (knowing what OP has said more accurately than those bemoaning the people who won't give up hours to rtfl), and are sick of being told we must. We still think being asked to travel once (obviously outside core working hours) isn't the end of the world.

What are your thoughts about the fact that the employer isn't covering travel expenses?

Dinkydo12 · 08/12/2024 14:57

Think it's a nice gesture from the Boss to lay this on for the staff. Its just one day. I understand the not getting paid bit but not the progression within the company. People seem to have too much time off at Christmas it is just one day. If it was the 24th think I would be a bit unhappy but it is the day before. Remember when all you has was Christmas day and Boxing Day the bank holidays 2 days.

caringcarer · 08/12/2024 14:09

Many people have to work all day on Xmas Eve. My DS is a class 1 lorry driver. How would you like delivery drivers not to work on Xmas Eve? YABVU.

OldScribbler · 08/12/2024 13:58

blinddoorshyt · 05/12/2024 09:33

I work in a bathroom shop.
We are closed over Christmas and were lead to believe we broke up on the 22nd
Turns out now we don't
On the 23rd we have to travel to Manchester (3 hours each way ) to have a buffet and games with the company owner.
We have to listen to a presentation on how the company's done this year.
If we don't go we will have a day deducted from our salary.
It's the day before Christmas Eve and we have to drive to Manchester to have picky food with the owner and play Christmas games.
Aibu to think it's ridiculous?
And we have been repeatedly told if we don't go we won't get paid and it will halt any progression in the company !

God help you if you ever have to live through something really difficult.

Hellisemptyallthdevilsarehere · 08/12/2024 13:56

TheFormidableMrsC · 08/12/2024 13:17

FFS! RTFT! Why are people still coming on saying the same thing 🙈

You're saying the same thing too....Rtft!!!! Lots of us actually have and have shown no signs of not doing (knowing what OP has said more accurately than those bemoaning the people who won't give up hours to rtfl), and are sick of being told we must. We still think being asked to travel once (obviously outside core working hours) isn't the end of the world.

LivinInYourBigGlassHouseWithAView · 08/12/2024 13:45

blinddoorshyt · 05/12/2024 09:57

We aren't getting any travel expenses
We have been told we get 2 hours to use in January as a early finish

I would decline to attend. Tell them I can't get there, certainly won't pay for the privilege of getting there, and you'll take it as a personal day.

Sounds like a company you don't want to stick with long term if that's how they treat their employees, anyway.

Any chance you're in a union? Can contact cab?

Mumstheword1983 · 08/12/2024 13:26

Jagoda · 05/12/2024 09:40

What’s black eye Friday all about? Is this bathroom sales lingo?

In many places the Friday before Christmas when businesses close was always known as Black Friday. Before it became a sales term for retail.
OP that's super annoying but if it's a normal working day I guess there isn't much you can do. I personally if I could afford to would take the holiday.

TheFormidableMrsC · 08/12/2024 13:22

YourRealAquaOP · 08/12/2024 13:18

I don't think it's unreasonable you even might enjoy it and you will get paid and it will give you an opportunity to meet everyone outside work.I would go if I was you.

You don't think it's unreasonable for the OP to have to be at a venue 3 hours away at 9 am, that involves a six hour round trip and 370 miles at her own expense, the day before Christmas Eve? You'd do that happily would you? Don't be ridiculous.

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