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To think we shouldn't have to work the day before Christmas Eve?

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blinddoorshyt · 05/12/2024 09:33

I work in a bathroom shop.
We are closed over Christmas and were lead to believe we broke up on the 22nd
Turns out now we don't
On the 23rd we have to travel to Manchester (3 hours each way ) to have a buffet and games with the company owner.
We have to listen to a presentation on how the company's done this year.
If we don't go we will have a day deducted from our salary.
It's the day before Christmas Eve and we have to drive to Manchester to have picky food with the owner and play Christmas games.
Aibu to think it's ridiculous?
And we have been repeatedly told if we don't go we won't get paid and it will halt any progression in the company !

OP posts:
ForeveronMN · 05/12/2024 10:42

I'd not go.

It sounds as if the owners have no idea of the traffic on the 23rd which is when most people will be travelling.

Going across country from Northumberland to Manchester is not an easy drive.
You should expect delays and you'd need to leave home very early.

The M6 is notorious for jams and accidents.

I'd find another job.

There must be plenty of work in shops between Morpeth and Newcastle- even if you have to travel into Newcastle each day.

PandoraSox · 05/12/2024 10:40

Commonsense22 · 05/12/2024 10:23

OP I'm with you. What a useless power trip by the owner. And opportunity lost to motivate and reward staff, instead making everyone miserable.

Edited

This. Employers can be really dumb, this is not the way to inspire loyalty.

Alondra · 05/12/2024 10:39

betterangels · 05/12/2024 10:37

Midnight? OP said she'd be home for 9pm.

That said, I'd suck up the unpaid day and not go.

Edited

In winter is pitch black driving.

Mnetcurious · 05/12/2024 10:39

Dueanamechange2025 · 05/12/2024 10:25

A lot of trade companies, do 'break up' for Christmas as in they shut down and its compulsory to save annual leave for this time.

Yes, I’m aware that plenty of companies close the office/business over the period between Christmas and New Year and that annual leave has to be used for those three days. My husband works for an organisation that does this.
Also, lots of places only close for the bank holidays on 25th, 26th and 1st Jan.

(I haven’t forgotten essential services that don’t close at all before someone points that out).

LiquoriceAllsorts2 · 05/12/2024 10:39

BIWI · 05/12/2024 10:06

According to Trainline, the 09.02 from Newcastle to Manchester takes 2 hrs and 18 minutes. And a return at 19.00 takes 2 hrs and 18 mins. That return ticket would cost you £53.29 if you booked it today.

Much easier and less stressful than driving - and let's face it, you'd have to pay to put petrol in your car anyway!

Depends on proximity of end and start point to the train stations though

LiquoriceAllsorts2 · 05/12/2024 10:38

betterangels · 05/12/2024 10:37

Midnight? OP said she'd be home for 9pm.

That said, I'd suck up the unpaid day and not go.

Edited

With pre Christmas traffic it could easily be later and with a 3 hour drive probably needs to also factor in a toilet/ food stop

LiquoriceAllsorts2 · 05/12/2024 10:38

The travel is also an issue. Some of it should be in work time (so event for a shorter time) and you should have been given notice of it

Letsgotitans · 05/12/2024 10:37

After the traveling costs would it be worth a days pay? If there's not much in it and you can choose to go and lose a days pay, I'd just not go.

betterangels · 05/12/2024 10:37

GridlockonMain · 05/12/2024 09:56

I actually don’t think it’s reasonable for them to expect you to do a six hour round trip which means you won’t get home until midnight. Presumably those aren’t your usual hours? Are you being paid for the overtime? What about your petrol / train tickets etc?

Midnight? OP said she'd be home for 9pm.

That said, I'd suck up the unpaid day and not go.

LiquoriceAllsorts2 · 05/12/2024 10:37

BarbadosItsCloserThanYouThink · 05/12/2024 10:23

As a lot of other people have said 23rd and 24th are normal working days. You've got a really easy day on 23rd, basically a jolly with no actual work, you should be pleased.

6 hours of driving outside of normal working hours is not an easy day. That sounds very tiring.

ForeveronMN · 05/12/2024 10:36

Never heard of Black Eye Friday.

What's that?

I think it's a big ask to drive 3 hours to Manchester.

The traffic will be crazy because lots of people will take that day off to make it a long weekend before the 25th.

I think they are being unreasonable given the distance and the traffic on that day.

SerafinasGoose · 05/12/2024 10:34

Ribidibidibidoobahday · 05/12/2024 10:30

So if the days that the shop is closed were taken out of your annual leave allowance as you said, then you must have that extra day AL that was going to be used for the Monday.
So just take it on the Monday and don't go to the party. They can't halt progression for this.

They've done nothing wrong. Offered people the chance to earn some extra money at Christmas time for attending a party and feel part of a bigger thing. They're just a bit silly not thinking about travel and Christmas.

Edited

And told their employees they could not 'progress' in the company unless they attended.

LiquoriceAllsorts2 · 05/12/2024 10:34

I think the issue here is the lack of notice. They told you you were off and then told you that you are not.
If you were told from the start this was the situation then fine but telling you now doesn’t seem fair and means you may have already made plans/ could be difficult to now arrange childcare.

MattSmithsBowTie · 05/12/2024 10:34

Yeah I’d be annoyed at having to travel 6 hours for enforced fun if I usually worked in a shop, if you were being asked to travel to a trade show or to cover another shop and do your actual job, it wouldn’t be as bad, but you’re just going to sit there all day resenting them. I’d take the day as holiday and look for another job if I were you.

AFewThoughts · 05/12/2024 10:34

Some of the responses on here feel a touch harsh to me - yes it is a normal working day as any other, but you’re being asked to do something outside of your normal work requirements. If they wanted you to open the shop on the 23rd when previously they’d said it would be closed, it would be annoying but tough luck. But I don’t think anyone would be that keen on doing 6 hours of (seems to be unpaid?) travel that close to Christmas. Feels like a slightly inconsiderate ask from the tops of the company to be honest. They’ll think they’re being really thoughtful to offer a fun Christmas do, but perhaps haven’t realised the true impact on those employees furthest away. You could have all had team Christmas Do’s for your individual shops, and watched the presentation together online. As the others have said, a working day for a Christmas do would be a fun get out of work day, but the travel is what makes it not so.

My advice would be to check your contract - if there’s nothing in there about the travel you may have grounds to say they can’t make you go and can’t deduct the pay (though that could make things feel tricker with top brass/managers), or take it as annual leave if you can, or say you’re not going and take the pay hit.

LoyalMember · 05/12/2024 10:33

So you want Christmas Eve Eve off? It's a normal working day, ffs...

WaneyEdge · 05/12/2024 10:33

Jagoda · 05/12/2024 09:40

What’s black eye Friday all about? Is this bathroom sales lingo?

Known as ‘Mad Friday’ my way (NW). Last Friday before Christmas when many people finish work and carnage in town centre pubs and bars ensues!

Alondra · 05/12/2024 10:31

ManhattanPopcorn · 05/12/2024 10:25

The day before Christmas Eve is just a regular day.

For many companies it's not, it depends on where Christmas Day fall in the calendar.

Even in Australia, most companies are closing for business on the 20th of December except retail.

The OP really needs to raise her contract with her manager.

CraverSpud · 05/12/2024 10:31

Why not just ring in sick?

Ribidibidibidoobahday · 05/12/2024 10:30

So if the days that the shop is closed were taken out of your annual leave allowance as you said, then you must have that extra day AL that was going to be used for the Monday.
So just take it on the Monday and don't go to the party. They can't halt progression for this.

They've done nothing wrong. Offered people the chance to earn some extra money at Christmas time for attending a party and feel part of a bigger thing. They're just a bit silly not thinking about travel and Christmas.

Fluffyiguana · 05/12/2024 10:30

BIWI · 05/12/2024 10:06

According to Trainline, the 09.02 from Newcastle to Manchester takes 2 hrs and 18 minutes. And a return at 19.00 takes 2 hrs and 18 mins. That return ticket would cost you £53.29 if you booked it today.

Much easier and less stressful than driving - and let's face it, you'd have to pay to put petrol in your car anyway!

It's horrendously unreliable though. I used to do this journey weekly last year.
There were issues more than 50% of the time.
So if you HAVE to be there and they won't accept train issues as reasons for being late I would drive.
Although I don't really think it's safe to drive 6-7 hours in a day...
And realistically it's going to take closer to 4 hours each way Newcastle to Manchester...

LSTMS30555 · 05/12/2024 10:30

I feel your pain Op.
I work at a university and our previous vice chancellor always made sure we had at least 11 days over Christmas period off and always paid us a week early; this year a new vice chancellor isn't allowing us to finish on the Friday we have to work right up til 7pm Christmas Eve! Also won't be paid til Christmas Eve either. Completely screwed us over! 🤬😤

OriginalSkang · 05/12/2024 10:30

I expect to have to work the 23rd and 24th every year. They're both normal working days.

I would absolutely not travel that distance for a 'do' for a retail job though. Are they paying the travel cost?

SerafinasGoose · 05/12/2024 10:29

I can't bear these hideous, enforced 'team building' days either, OP. I've endured far too many and now thankfully have a legitimate excuse not to, or at the very least only to go for part of the time.

I have a 1.5h commute to work each day, which is fine: I took that on as part of my contract and that is the distance to my workplace. 3 hours there and back to Manchester - that's without the terrible traffic on the periphery - when it's not your usual workplace is unreasonable. Docking a day's pay for not working a normal working day is fair enough, but saying it will 'halt your progression in the company?' Definitely unreasonable. I'm not sure where this sits from a legal standpoint, but it sounds questionable to me. At the very least, it's dictatorial and uncollegial.

If your employers want to retain their staff they're going exactly the wrong way about it.

mumda · 05/12/2024 10:29

Your car can break down very easily and it's impossible to prove. Ideally you'll be at the roadside just within a mile from home and so unable to call the RAC and then you'll have to try and find someone to come and help.
I mean, it depends how big a story you want to tell and the possible consequences of lying. I mean it's a car not a CV. What's the worst that would happen?

Or D&V. That's always a good one. You can self-cert for that.

Is there no useful work that could be done in the shop (and why is a retail shop, assuming that's what it is, shut on the day people want to buy shit in a hurry for their loved ones)