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To think we shouldn't have to work the day before Christmas Eve?

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blinddoorshyt · 05/12/2024 09:33

I work in a bathroom shop.
We are closed over Christmas and were lead to believe we broke up on the 22nd
Turns out now we don't
On the 23rd we have to travel to Manchester (3 hours each way ) to have a buffet and games with the company owner.
We have to listen to a presentation on how the company's done this year.
If we don't go we will have a day deducted from our salary.
It's the day before Christmas Eve and we have to drive to Manchester to have picky food with the owner and play Christmas games.
Aibu to think it's ridiculous?
And we have been repeatedly told if we don't go we won't get paid and it will halt any progression in the company !

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PowerRangersAuntie · 06/12/2024 11:50

rwalker · 06/12/2024 11:28

The NHS can’t afford it all bank hols double time

Exactly. Which is why despite all the complaining, lots of health care professionals do not actually work all of every Christmas

PowerRangersAuntie · 06/12/2024 11:48

TheJones · 06/12/2024 11:40

Am I missing something OP-
the 23rd Dec is a normal working day- why would you expect it randomly off? Everyone works that (bar teachers / shift workers etc).

What am I missing?

You are missing that OP lives 15 min from her work on a normal day.
This year she is expected to do a six hour round trip, expenses not paid, to do a corporate wankfest team building day when she had been led to believe that her employer's business shuts down over the festive week

TheJones · 06/12/2024 11:40

Am I missing something OP-
the 23rd Dec is a normal working day- why would you expect it randomly off? Everyone works that (bar teachers / shift workers etc).

What am I missing?

Gladragdoll · 06/12/2024 11:35

Unless they’re paying travel expenses, it’s not worth it. Are your colleagues going? If so, could you share the petrol expense? If not, your day’s wages will be swallowed up by expenses. IMO they haven’t thought this through for more remote employees.

TheNinkyNonkyIsATardis · 06/12/2024 11:31

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I think it's a slippery slope to treat selling bathrooms as important as healthcare.

Any job that isn't life or death SHOULD be treated as just a job, and employers would benefit from treating them as such.

In fact, when I ran a business, I hated the rogue staff who were incredibly passionate and self-important about their work. They were terrible workers as they had no sense of proportion about what they were doing, and therefore terrible at delivering against company objectives as a result.

The ones who treated it as just a job had their heads screwed on and were very productive.

So stuff your wailing. OP isn't a healthcare provider. This is just a job, and they're acting terribly for morale.

rwalker · 06/12/2024 11:28

PowerRangersAuntie · 06/12/2024 11:24

Regarding people working in NHS it can't only be me that's noticed that there's generally skeleton staffing levels at Christmas.
So not all the workers work Christmas day. Have done my bit in care work and in my experience there's some flex. Same for DH who is police officer.

In OPs xase it is unnecessary and ridiculous to expect them to do this at this point in the year. I can only guess it's less about wanting teams to get together and more about utilising a dead period when nobody is buying bathrooms.

The NHS can’t afford it all bank hols double time

TheDowagerCountessofPembroke · 06/12/2024 11:28

I’m staggered at the number of people who are telling the op to suck it up because they have worked every Christmas since Jesus was born and drive 6 hours to work 8 days a week.

I do agree that it is a normal working day for many people, however having to schlep across the country, spending more money than she is earning is unreasonable.

I’ve worked retail jobs where I’ve had to travel for hours for training (Brighton to Nottingham), but, the travel and accommodation was paid for and it was in the middle of the year at a pre agreed time.

I would take the day unpaid.

PowerRangersAuntie · 06/12/2024 11:24

Regarding people working in NHS it can't only be me that's noticed that there's generally skeleton staffing levels at Christmas.
So not all the workers work Christmas day. Have done my bit in care work and in my experience there's some flex. Same for DH who is police officer.

In OPs xase it is unnecessary and ridiculous to expect them to do this at this point in the year. I can only guess it's less about wanting teams to get together and more about utilising a dead period when nobody is buying bathrooms.

Gloriia · 06/12/2024 11:22

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What an unpleasant way to talk to someone. The op has been told she has to do a 6hr round trip the day before Christmas eve paid for herself. That is the problem.

If she had to sit in the office answering the phone I'm sure that would have been fine.

PowerRangersAuntie · 06/12/2024 11:19

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And what if OP is struggling to make ends meet? And then has to pay for 6 hours worth of travelling on a day that she'd been led to believe was part of the Christmas shut down?

JRM17 · 06/12/2024 11:01

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Itsafunione · 06/12/2024 11:00

OP, have you decided what you’re going to do yet?

midgetastic · 06/12/2024 10:44

It's late notice but not badly so

I would query the legality of not paying travel expenses since it's not your normal place of work - have they arranged transport? I think that's your only leg to stand on - quite reasonable to state that you can't afford it especially as it's an unexpected expense that you haven't budgeted for

But 3 hrs travel each way for a company event ( transpennine distress? ) isn't extreme at all

Nothatgingerpirate · 06/12/2024 10:38

Why?
(Presumably you need to work to earn your living).

Turnups · 06/12/2024 10:36

PowerRangersAuntie · 06/12/2024 10:32

Always worth checking out posts, not just titles

I have, but it’s interesting to wonder why she chose that as the main point. (Actually I got it wrong, it was "the day before Christmas Eve".)

The employer is being unreasonable, but I don’t think the event being the day before Christmas Eve is the part that is unreasonable.

PowerRangersAuntie · 06/12/2024 10:36

@TheNinkyNonkyIsATardis yes, totally agree this is also a leadership fail. I feel the people leading teams should show they value staff rather than some of the ridiculous things they expect people to do.
I'm sure very clever leaders could work something out by themselves if the didn't just jump onto the ridiculous bandwagons that the seem to.

FestiveFruitloop · 06/12/2024 10:36

Memyaelf · 06/12/2024 09:06

You sound very bitter and generalise about management, who here, are clearly trying to ‘include’ and build their team within the company. I’d be interested to know your working background because it sounds like you are neither a leader, or a team player.

A good manager imo is capable of nurturing team player spirit in their employees without making them jump through all manner of ridiculous hoops to prove they are team players.

Gloriia · 06/12/2024 10:34

Poppybob · 06/12/2024 08:34

This has actually happened to me?!!!! live in rural area so had to travel to a hospital last minute (many times but just at Xmas)who were short staffed more than an hour away.

An hour away or 3hrs away as the op is having to do?

As an aside if you work for the nhs you'd have had all extra travel paid for. The op is having to pay for this treat herself.

PowerRangersAuntie · 06/12/2024 10:32

Turnups · 06/12/2024 10:27

But the title of her post is about having to work on Christmas Eve…

Always worth checking out posts, not just titles

Stretchedresources · 06/12/2024 10:28

I've just remembered our organisations epic christmas do fail a few years ago.
Staff going to the local Xmas meal were allowed to leave, paid, at 3pm. Everyone else had to work as normal. I wasn't going as I was a lone parent and my team leader couldn't go as she was hearing impaired and restaurants were too much for her. I still hold a grudge against the HR member I think allowed it to happen. Just awful.

Turnups · 06/12/2024 10:27

PowerRangersAuntie · 06/12/2024 09:22

If you read all her posts she explains more. Her expenses aren't paid. I doubt she'd be objecting to a normal work day.

But the title of her post is about having to work on Christmas Eve…

TheNinkyNonkyIsATardis · 06/12/2024 10:15

Commonsense22 · 06/12/2024 10:03

Hmm, I have extensive management experience and I can't think of a better "own goal" than getting workers to travel to a team engagement event on December 23rd and listen to a CEO speech. It's like a perfect "alienate your staff" recipe and completely pointless as well.

If they want to do team building, let them do it on January 2nd when everyone is fresh and wanting a new start - but nobody is buying bathrooms.

One of the biggest leadership fails I've seen was around a Christmas lunch.

The CEO worked remotely and rarely attended the office. The Christmas do was always to down tools at 11ish, do secret santa with eggnog or mulled wine in the office, then make a leisurely trip into town for a long lunch at 2, after which people could leave at normal work time, taxis home paid for.

Because the CEO was rarely there, he missed a lot. And he decided to catch up with one employee at 10.45. To make it fair, the rest of us would stay working as well until we went directly to he restaurant. We could do SS at the restaurant instead (usually these were joke gifts, sometimes quite big, and would be left in the office). Oh, and he wanted to continue with the work chat at 4pm, lunch couldn't take that long, surely?

Complete fucking idiot. He was ousted as CEO a couple of years later, and no one was sorry to see him go.

Commonsense22 · 06/12/2024 10:03

Memyaelf · 06/12/2024 09:06

You sound very bitter and generalise about management, who here, are clearly trying to ‘include’ and build their team within the company. I’d be interested to know your working background because it sounds like you are neither a leader, or a team player.

Hmm, I have extensive management experience and I can't think of a better "own goal" than getting workers to travel to a team engagement event on December 23rd and listen to a CEO speech. It's like a perfect "alienate your staff" recipe and completely pointless as well.

If they want to do team building, let them do it on January 2nd when everyone is fresh and wanting a new start - but nobody is buying bathrooms.

toucheee · 06/12/2024 09:55

blinddoorshyt · 05/12/2024 09:51

The shop being open would of been fine
It's travelling to Manchester
Event starts at 9 am and finishes 6 pm
So won't be home till 9pm at night

The problem is your thread title says

To think we shouldn't have to work the day before Christmas Eve?

Itsafunione · 06/12/2024 09:50

PowerRangersAuntie · 06/12/2024 08:41

Looks like the usual corporate insanity. Nobody can just have a job any more, can they?
I find it fascinating that so many people on the thread ( and elsewhere on the forum) have bought into all this nonsense and made it normal.
I've worked Christmas and bank holidays due to the nature of my work but I knew about it and expected it. It's a very different thing when you're expected to do what OP is talking about.
I'm often aghast at the lack of critical reading/thinking skills in some posts.

I find it fascinating that so many people on the thread ( and elsewhere on the forum) have bought into all this nonsense and made it normal.

I'm often aghast at the lack of critical reading/thinking skills in some posts

I suspect it’s because so many of these people exist in the UK, that this kind of unfairness continues and grows. Working conditions and standards are being eroded gradually and some people are racing to the bottom with glee.