To think this attack on London Jewish schoolchildren should have been headline news

@Comedycook
I'm Jewish :) I don't plan on making any change via mumsnet, I'm involved in real life activism which does more than typing away on here. Thank you for the motivation though x

@Comedycook
I'm Jewish :) I don't plan on making any change via mumsnet, I'm involved in real life activism which does more than typing away on here. Thank you for the motivation though x

Ok, double down it is then!
I'll let Chat GPT elaborate.
Question asked:
Explain why the sentence .Antisemitism comes from a different demographic to other forms of racism' would be offensive to a Black person.
ChatGPT said:
The sentence "antisemitism comes from a different demographic to other forms of racism" could be perceived as offensive to Black people because it may inadvertently minimize or mischaracterize the broad spectrum of racism they face. Here's why this might be the case:
1. Implying a Hierarchy of Racism

• The sentence could be interpreted as suggesting that antisemitism is unique or more significant than the racism faced by other groups, including Black people.
• This might come across as dismissive of the deeply entrenched and systemic nature of anti-Black racism, which spans centuries and permeates many aspects of life globally.

• By stating that antisemitism "comes from a different demographic," the sentence might oversimplify or generalize both antisemitism and other forms of racism.
• It risks overlooking that racism, in all its forms, is complex and can originate from various demographics and ideologies.

• Black Jews, for instance, experience both antisemitism and anti-Black racism. Statements that differentiate too starkly between the demographics of these prejudices might fail to acknowledge the lived experiences of people at the intersection of multiple forms of discrimination.
• Such a perspective could unintentionally erase or exclude their voices from the discussion.

• Discussions about the origins of different forms of prejudice can sometimes be misinterpreted as a comparison of their severity or impact. This might lead to the perception that the sentence is downplaying the gravity of anti-Black racism or portraying it as more "typical" or "less complex."

• The sentence might appear to prioritize antisemitism as unique without giving due attention to the specific historical and demographic complexities of anti-Black racism.
• This could reinforce a feeling that the struggles of Black people are being sidelined or misunderstood.

Now back to the matter of the children on that school bus and antisemitism...

Be the change you want to see, man!

We could reduce anti-Semitism by one person if you stopped holding these anti-Semitic views.

And here already we have numerous examples of people justifying the attacks on British children, purely because they are Jewish.

I am truly starting to think that we have a deep problem of anti-Semitic radicalisation from some communities in the UK, requiring a much stronger response to start rooting it out.

I visit many schools and they all have stickers with photos. All have an airlock reception too so no chance of sneaking in. That includes primary and secondary.

I think the ' entirely possible' was relating to depending on the Country/ school the person came from.

You haven't posted anything to 'unevidence' the more specific points made in that claim and @Purspectiveplease could post more specific evidence to support her claim too.

Anecdotally, the strongly anti-Semitic views I hear in RL have come from three main quarters - immigrants from Muslim origin countries, conspiracy theorists, and people from the self-styled 'progressive left' who are anti-Israel (these groups can overlap).

'evidence'? You've dont have any. Nada, Zilch, Rien. Am I entrenched in the view that racism is complex and cannot be reduced to simplistic comparisons where one group can claim to have it worse than all others? Damn right I am, for all the ChatGPT reasons and more. Every ethnic group can bring out harrowing statistics.

I think that therapy for PTSD would probably help a lot of refugees if they are escaping from war torn countries and oppressive regimes. I can't even begin to imagine the suffering at the loss of place and family - never mind the wars they have fled, the torture they may have endured and the people they have lost to violence.
So much damage that needs healing.

That made me laugh out loud!

So your attitude is not to follow the evidence and form your view on that, but to deny the evidence to stay neverendingly entrenched in your position! Okay-then!

Are you intentionally misunderstanding? The fact that the system is so utterly unfit for purpose is a huge problem! We should all be concerned by it. It's not just antisemitic views which can fall through these gaps, so can hatred of women, LGBT people and probably loads of other minorities too. Pretending the problem doesn't exist doesn't help anyone. Quite simply, education provision for adult refugees isn't good enough.

It is entirely possible...
So you don't know and don't have anything to back up your assumptions. Tolerance and respect is something we all need to be mindful of, ignorance hate breeds ignorance and hate. Making sweeping generalisations without evidence serves no one.

It is entirely possible...
So you don't know and don't have anything to back up your assumptions. Tolerance and respect is something we all need to be mindful of, ignorance hate breeds ignorance and hate. Making sweeping generalisations without evidence serves no one.

I am not expressing intolorance when I state the objective fact that some countries have antisemitic curriculums, nor the opinion that educational provision for adult refugees in the UK is very inconsistent and largely depends on where they are. It is entirely possible that a refugee flees a country where they were taught that Jews aren't human and settles in a rural part of the UK. If they already speak enough English to function and / or are supported by their own family or community, they could really have very, very little formal education in the UK. Assuming they don't move to one of the few small towns which still has a Jewish community, and that they aren't super into political TV, they could live in the UK for years without realising that that science topic they studied years ago and haven't really critically examined since, would be considered outragously racist to their neighbours. It's a problem with the system, but me talking about it isn't intolerance. It will only get funding to fix it when people are aware of the problem and recognise the importance of changing it.

Excellent. Next time there's a thread where someone of Chinese descent posts that they were called a racial slur, screamed at, had things thrown at them, and made to fear for their safety on the street, I look forward to the ten page thread that will definitely be allowed to stand, where we debate how bad the incident actually was compared to China's treatment of the Uyghurs. We can then tell them it probably was nothing to do with their ethnicity and that it happens to lots of people.

When your colleague at work mentions that she has Sudanese heritage, I look forward to seeing her grilled on her feelings about the civil war. I look forward to every conversation she starts being brought back to that. And when she's the victim of hate crime, we can shrug and tell her that there just simply needs to be peace in Sudan.

Most of all though, I look forward to seeing your name on all of the threads about Palestine, where you shout from the rooftops about all of the other innocent people worldwide who are dying .

ODFOD. Its not a fact. But what is a fun fact is that I will challenge/ debate show frustration to any person of race or religion, even other Black people when it comes to statements like Comedycook's. As for you and your statistics, you are no better, we can all produce statistics.