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To think this is neglectful?

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newtothis0 · 03/12/2024 22:26

DP has two young girls with his ex whom he sees for one day/night at the weekend. He always takes them to do something fun and therefore baths them in the evening to make sure they go home clean so as not to get an earful from their mum.

Neither of these girls have had their hair cut, ever. It is pretty much down to their lower back and despite copious amounts of conditioner, masks, leave in products, etc, their hair gets so matted because the ends are broken and frayed. It takes 30 minutes or so each to detangle their hair without hurting them.

Their mum will outright refuse to allow their hair to be cut (she has very long hair herself) and for reasons I won't elaborate on here, DP is not prepared to go against her wishes, which I understand. However, AIBU to think that she is verging on neglect by allowing their hair to reach such a poor condition for the sake of vanity?

OP posts:
Candy24 · 04/12/2024 06:40

newtothis0 · 03/12/2024 23:02

Thanks for the armchair detective concern, but she's not autistic, neither is she an active sleeper, nor is compassion needed for their mum who refuses to agree to cut their hair as a means of control and instead allows her daughter to suffer.

OH wow your so out of line. The mum totally deserves compassion and that child sounds to be struggling. Please don't think you know the kids better than their mum as you sound judgmental.

Survivingnotthriving24 · 04/12/2024 06:10

AnotherDayComeMonday · 03/12/2024 23:12

OP said a few posts in that
their diet is generally poor and lacking...

Unfortunately a poor diet doesn't necessarily meet the threshold for neglect either, many children are fussy or don't have big appetites or families don't have the money to provide a varied diet. If food is being provided that's all social services would be concerned with.

CarbsAreNotMyFriend · 04/12/2024 04:41

Yes totally agree their hair should be regularly cut, how annoying for them. As a help until that happens, this hairbrush is incredible for reducing brushing pain, my daughter (and I!) love it.

www.primark.com/en-gb/p/barbie-detangler-hairbrush-multi-991116192935

Copperoliverbear · 04/12/2024 04:40

Also could you try to plait it to stop it from getting so tangled. ?

Copperoliverbear · 04/12/2024 04:39

The mum is odd, I know sensory children don't like haircuts but if you like long hair she could still trim it while the child is asleep. Their hair will be so unhealthy without a good haircut, your hair needs it for the ends to remain healthy.
My guess is that the mum doesn't really wash and brush it much when they're with her.

InformerYaNoSayDaddyMeSnowMeIGoBlameALickyBoom · 04/12/2024 04:38

This is a tale straight put of the crappy father handbook. Do they pull guys aside in school and give them these excuses or what?

Mean ex is super neglectful, only allows dad minimal time, he's apparently doing something vague towards having them more, however he also facilitates the so called neglect, new wife only slags off the mum despite the dad being a deadbeat who is also neglecting them.

We just need a "they split because she had an affair despite him being absolutely perfect" and thrown in there and its a full house.

SnoopySantaPaws · 04/12/2024 04:33

@newtothis0

try to ignore all the judgemental posts.

your partner could be an absolute saint & it would still be his fault.

some mothers will make it as difficult as humanly possible for the children's father to have more time with his kids (mainly to maximise CMS). Hopefully he'll get there soon.

Moro93 · 04/12/2024 04:22

SensitivePetal · 03/12/2024 22:46

One night a week? That’s really bad.

You lose all right to have views on stuff like appearence, cleanliness and hygiene if you minimally parent your children.

It will be extremely annoying to the mum in this case to have her ex braying on about hair if he isn’t up for 50/50 care.

Some children with sensory issues have absolute meltdowns over haircuts whether done at home or in the salon.

This! My children stay with family 4 nights per month, this is way too little for one of their parents to see them.

I also have children with sensory issues, anything to do with their hair is a nightmare. I have sensory issues myself and brushing my own hair makes me want to cry.

OP, I’m not really sure why you posted. You’re saying absolutely nothing can be done, your partner can’t intervene and barely has the children, you’re blaming the mum but won’t give even the slightest detail as to why. It’s like you just want people to agree that your partner’s ex is neglectful with absolutely no context .

SnoopySantaPaws · 04/12/2024 04:17

TotHappy · 03/12/2024 22:35

My daughter's never had her hair cut, she's 8. She likes it long, I like it long. We just brush it till its smooth. If it's regularly brushed, I don't know how your DPs daughter's are getting so matted?

Mine does if I don't get it trimmed regularly. I think it's because it's just SO fine and when it's not cut blunt, it's just ties itself in knots and that's as an adult not doing half the playing/scrambling about kids do, and taking clothes off more gently.

@newtothis0 no, as long as it's clean & nit free it's not neglect. It's bloody annoying though!!

id suggest putting a plait in when they arrive

these brushes are a life changer, I'd never use anything else now

https://www.hairandbeautydepot.com/products/tangle-tamer-gentle

GreenTeaLikesMe · 04/12/2024 04:15

Octavia64 · 03/12/2024 22:42

If the 4 year old has sensory issues and hair washing is difficult I can imagine a haircut would be even worse.

That sort of age is very difficult with haircuts and some children do refuse/have tantrums etc in hairdresser situations.

It's likely if he tried to get it cut there would be bigger problems.

You can hack off hair to shoulder length in a few minutes, honestly - less time than all the stupid detangling is taking right now.

Someone needs to intervene and just do it.

arcticpandas · 04/12/2024 04:05

newtothis0 · 03/12/2024 23:06

This would quite honestly raise hell and prevent him from seeing his daughter's at all until she was quite literally forced, which is not due to be any time soon.

OK, I missed this one. Waiting for court decision I would just not wash their hair if I was your dp. He has them once a week so it's really not necessary.

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arcticpandas · 04/12/2024 03:57

If I were you DP I would take them to the hairdressers. He's their father so he can decide as well.

Ihatelittlefriendsusan · 04/12/2024 03:50

Matted os jot necessarily down to it not being brushed.

My dds hair matts because she fidgets in her sleep, she also uas chronic eczema and scratches in her sleep. It always has right from being a baby.

I brush it daily, she hates it and it regularly results in tears but it has to be done.

I have had endless hours of detailing sprays etc and honestly mist of them make it worse because they leave a sticky residue.

Happiestwhen · 04/12/2024 03:45

TotHappy · 03/12/2024 22:35

My daughter's never had her hair cut, she's 8. She likes it long, I like it long. We just brush it till its smooth. If it's regularly brushed, I don't know how your DPs daughter's are getting so matted?

It must be full of split ends. You should still get it trimmed or it will end up straggly. It can still stay long with regular trims.

Loloj · 04/12/2024 03:44

Why does your partner only have his children one night a week? He can hardly make comments on neglect and poor diet when he is not there to facilitate any change.

adriftinadenofvipers · 04/12/2024 03:43

Ironicisntit · 04/12/2024 03:18

If the children are attending school you've got to wonder why the teachers arnt concerned about this matted hair? Normally theyd raise concerns at childrens hair being like that

I'd have to wonder about that too.

Ironicisntit · 04/12/2024 03:18

adriftinadenofvipers · 04/12/2024 02:58

If their hair was a matted, unkempt mess? That no products would fix?

And you don't think that's neglectful?

Really?

If the children are attending school you've got to wonder why the teachers arnt concerned about this matted hair? Normally theyd raise concerns at childrens hair being like that

Ironicisntit · 04/12/2024 03:16

TotHappy · 03/12/2024 22:35

My daughter's never had her hair cut, she's 8. She likes it long, I like it long. We just brush it till its smooth. If it's regularly brushed, I don't know how your DPs daughter's are getting so matted?

*edited because I misspelt bum 😅

DD is almost 10 and shes never had an official haircut. I trim the edges every now and then but she refuses to get it cut properly ( shes autistic )

DD's hair is down to her bum and never gets matted.

Can you plait it if to save it getting knotty ect?

LBFseBrom · 04/12/2024 03:15

TotHappy · 03/12/2024 22:35

My daughter's never had her hair cut, she's 8. She likes it long, I like it long. We just brush it till its smooth. If it's regularly brushed, I don't know how your DPs daughter's are getting so matted?

The OP said that one of them has sensory issues around brushing.

I don't think there is anything wrong in the children having long hair though might benefit from having a bit chopped off the ends sometimes. However, long hair needs care (I had it when young, mine was wild and wavy too, but I was a teenager and cared for it myself); most parents tie it back when children are at school and try to look after it, not let it get matted with split ends. If one daughter has sensory problems and hates brushing, maybe she should have shorter hair until she is old enough to see to her hair herself.

Nevertheless, OP, there really isn't anything much you can do, any move on your part would be deemed interfering. If the children's hair becomes overly-matted, making it difficult to keep thoroughly clean and tidy, the school will eventually intervene. Also in time the girls will want to do their hair as they please and that might well mean being cut to a modern style.

adriftinadenofvipers · 04/12/2024 03:01

I used to have a work colleague and her three children looked like ragamuffins - they always looked like they needed their hair given a good brush!

My second was inclined to look like that - they 'petted' their hair instead of brushing, so I had to do it until they were quite a lot older than I would have expected. Needs must!

adriftinadenofvipers · 04/12/2024 02:58

Workhardcryharder · 04/12/2024 02:56

I’d be pretty livid if someone told me I was neglecting my child because I haven’t cut their hair yet. The audacity

If their hair was a matted, unkempt mess? That no products would fix?

And you don't think that's neglectful?

Really?

adriftinadenofvipers · 04/12/2024 02:58

Topsyturvy78 · 04/12/2024 00:52

My daughter was the same. But you still need to take them to get used to having it done. Sometimes only her fringe would get done. But by the age of about 8 she loved having her hair cut. I first took her about 18 months. But if they aren't taken they won't get used to it.

My eldest screamed and kicked getting their hair cut when little. No SEN, just hated it. Took three of us to hold her down a couple of times. Hair was wavy/curly and looked very unkempt really easily. Guess what, as an adult they look after their own hair.

I agree with you. Some things you need to do for their own good.

My youngest's hair has always grown unmercifully fast. It's also massively thick. I have all these September photos of back to school with them looking like a yeti!! I promise, I did get their hair cut regularly along with the other two!!

Workhardcryharder · 04/12/2024 02:56

I’d be pretty livid if someone told me I was neglecting my child because I haven’t cut their hair yet. The audacity

adriftinadenofvipers · 04/12/2024 02:53

Cuttysark4321 · 03/12/2024 23:17

This is a tricky one but I don't think the fact the hair is matted or unkept is necessarily unusual. Children's hair - depending on hair type - can be quite difficult to maintain sometimes. Sometimes the child - as you say - has sensory issues or sometimes the are wriggly. Sometimes there is a lack of time.
Mum here is for all intents and purposes a single mother. She will be cooking, cleaning, doing everything for these (well cared for) girls all week. If you find it cumbersome or labour intensive doing the girls hair once a week, how do you think she feels? To answer your question this does not sound like neglect. Do you understand what it means for a child to be neglected?

Oh bullshit! To leave children that age with their hair uncared for is neglect, however you choose to term it! "Lack of time", my hairy hole - how long does it take to brush a child's hair now and again?!

I would be concerned if I saw a child with matted or unkempt hair. I'm surprised their teachers haven't raised it as an issue if it's that bad!

OK so you might want to keep the length, but a hairdresser should be tidying it up regularly, snipping off split ends etc.

Their dad needs to fight the bit out for more access to them though.