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To think this is neglectful?

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newtothis0 · 03/12/2024 22:26

DP has two young girls with his ex whom he sees for one day/night at the weekend. He always takes them to do something fun and therefore baths them in the evening to make sure they go home clean so as not to get an earful from their mum.

Neither of these girls have had their hair cut, ever. It is pretty much down to their lower back and despite copious amounts of conditioner, masks, leave in products, etc, their hair gets so matted because the ends are broken and frayed. It takes 30 minutes or so each to detangle their hair without hurting them.

Their mum will outright refuse to allow their hair to be cut (she has very long hair herself) and for reasons I won't elaborate on here, DP is not prepared to go against her wishes, which I understand. However, AIBU to think that she is verging on neglect by allowing their hair to reach such a poor condition for the sake of vanity?

OP posts:
Hayley1256 · 04/12/2024 09:17

I wouldn't say not getting their haircut is neglectful from an SS point of view (especially if that is the only thing). Elvive do a no hair cut creme which I used on my DD during lockdown, this stopped it from matting. After they've had a bath put some of that on damp hair and put it in a plait. Your going to have to cope with this until yhe custody issue is resolved. Has he gone to court for 50/50 access?

Workhardcryharder · 04/12/2024 09:14

adriftinadenofvipers · 04/12/2024 02:58

If their hair was a matted, unkempt mess? That no products would fix?

And you don't think that's neglectful?

Really?

Where on earth does it say that? You’ve pulled that out of thin air.

Oneanonymouspost · 04/12/2024 09:13

I only very recently had my daughter’s hair cut for the first time, she’s 4, her hair came in evenly and very thick, she’s has really lovely hair. It’s down to her lower back, I can’t see how that’s possibly neglectful? However her hair isn’t matted at the bottom, obviously it gets a bit tuggy- usually after she gets jam or something in it. Not nothing that 30 seconds and a tangle teezer can’t sort. If it’s taking 30 minutes to de tangle it’s nothing to do with it being long and uncut, it’s clearly not being washed and brushed often enough.

Rosscameasdoody · 04/12/2024 09:12

InformerYaNoSayDaddyMeSnowMeIGoBlameALickyBoom · 04/12/2024 04:38

This is a tale straight put of the crappy father handbook. Do they pull guys aside in school and give them these excuses or what?

Mean ex is super neglectful, only allows dad minimal time, he's apparently doing something vague towards having them more, however he also facilitates the so called neglect, new wife only slags off the mum despite the dad being a deadbeat who is also neglecting them.

We just need a "they split because she had an affair despite him being absolutely perfect" and thrown in there and its a full house.

Mostly assumption and a lot of projecting here. OP has answered to the best of her ability and obviously doesn’t want to give too much outing detail. There are clearly ongoing custody proceedings and if ex is volatile it’s really not a good idea to do something as drastic as cutting their hair until it’s sorted out and he has more contact, and therefore more agency. You might want to reflect on the fact that not all dads are deadbeat ones.

Greentreesandbushes · 04/12/2024 09:11

Anonymously raise it with the school

Lovemusic82 · 04/12/2024 08:58

I wouldn’t say it’s neglectful to not cut their hair, it’s not really causing harm, just a bit of discomfort when having to be brushed/washed. I don’t think theirs much you can do and I can understand why their dad doesn’t want to do it behind his ex’s back as it may give her something to hold against him in court if it is going through courts for contact.

AInightingale · 04/12/2024 08:41

I could imagine the state it gets into left loose. Can't it be plaited and brushed out at night?

Frozensnowflake · 04/12/2024 08:40

Neither Parent has taken the children for a hair cut so I would say both are neglectful.

has your DH or you tried plaiting it overnight to reduce the tangles?

SemperIdem · 04/12/2024 08:28

Some really bizarre responses in this thread. Leaving your young children’s hair to become matted is quite clearly poor parenting at best, neglect at worst.

Just because she’s their mum doesn’t mean she’s an amazing parent.

oviraptor21 · 04/12/2024 08:24

Not your issue OP. Not even Dad's issue if the hair is clean.
Is the mum encouraging dreadlocks?
What does the mum say when the children are returned with matted hair?
Maybe she detangles once a week so as to avoid life revolving around hair brushing.

Theunamedcat · 04/12/2024 08:21

ReadingSoManyThreads · 03/12/2024 23:44

From 2023, so I hardly think it's "outdated shit" as you so eloquently put it. Besides, because your Autistic twins don't thrash about in their sleep, it means it doesn't happen to others? Goodness, I must be imagining my autistic almost teenage child thrashing about like a shark every single night since she was little 🙄

Autism and Sleep Issues | Sleep Foundation

Funnily enough my autistic children either sleep in a spin or like the dead

Welshcakes28 · 04/12/2024 08:14

Why don't you just ask the kids if they want their hair cut? I'm sure the mum will change her mind about long hair when the kids are in school getting letters that there's a nit outbreak in the class. Noone wants to spend hours combing for nits in long hair every week.

Has the daughter with sensory issues had an assessment for autism? You dismissed it quite quickly. My son has high functioning autism and he hates having his hair brushed, washed or cut. He often looks scruffy because the only way I can cut his hair is putting ear defenders on him and doing it myself and even then he is inconsolable. It takes 1h 30 min to do and I usually spend a week preparing him for hair cut day.

I do think you sound like someone with a bee in their bonnet rather than someone focused on the kids.

MillyVannily · 04/12/2024 08:13

I don't understand why you are washing their hairs? You can surely just wash their body and skip the hair. He has 1 day with them and spends 1-2 hours of that dealing with their hairs?
If the mother doesn't wash their hairs then that's neglect. Not cutting their hair is not neglect.

oakleaffy · 04/12/2024 08:03

CarbsAreNotMyFriend · 04/12/2024 04:41

Yes totally agree their hair should be regularly cut, how annoying for them. As a help until that happens, this hairbrush is incredible for reducing brushing pain, my daughter (and I!) love it.

www.primark.com/en-gb/p/barbie-detangler-hairbrush-multi-991116192935

I bought a tangle teezer a few years ago, {for long, thick hair prone to tangling} what a great buy that was.. It's plastic, but glides through hair like nothing else.

oakleaffy · 04/12/2024 07:57

newtothis0 · 03/12/2024 22:30

4 and 5. One has sensory issues surrounding having her hair washed/brushed as well so the whole process is pretty traumatic without also having miniature dreadlocks.

Well, when they get head lice, as all school aged children are wont to do, she may change her tune.

De-lousing and combing nits out of hair that long will be extremely painful.

Karmaisagod · 04/12/2024 07:51

OP, apologies if this has been mentioned already, but have you tried lightly plaiting their hair at bedtime? Some of the worst matting happens while sleeping.

I love long hair, but I agree it is odd not to trim it and maintain it.

ChubbyBubbyBoo · 04/12/2024 07:50

YABU I first cut my DD’s hair when she was 7 1/2 and she decided herself she wanted it cut. It’s not neglectful. For me it was about letting her have her own autonomy over her hair. My mother gave me horrible haircuts as a child so I really didn’t want to inflict any hair cuts upon her.

Bananaram · 04/12/2024 07:41

TotHappy · 03/12/2024 22:35

My daughter's never had her hair cut, she's 8. She likes it long, I like it long. We just brush it till its smooth. If it's regularly brushed, I don't know how your DPs daughter's are getting so matted?

My hair isn't even that thick but when it reaches a certain length I get a matted clump at the back no matter how often I brush it 😶

IVbumble · 04/12/2024 07:37

It sounds a little like you're in a competition to be the best 'mum'.

I hope you are not derogatory about her in front of them.

notbelieved · 04/12/2024 07:05

If you consider it neglect, then you must realise that both parents are complicit and therefore any reporting to teachers or social services must be about both of then? And why would you remain with a man who is neglecting his children?

graceinspace999 · 04/12/2024 06:59

Step away from the hair!

Seriously leave it to your partner - they’re his kids so better he deals with it.

VeterinaryCareAssistant · 04/12/2024 06:55

Shampoo, conditioner, wash, brush, plait.

Simples, and tears are tough luck.

I say this as a mum of 4 girls who had long hair as children.

SweetBobby · 04/12/2024 06:54

Can he take them to get it braided?

NameChanged112 · 04/12/2024 06:48

specific issue order application within proceedings to deal with the hair cut. if your partner has a solicitor they can advise on the merits.

PonkyPonky · 04/12/2024 06:46

My DSD was exactly the same. Her mum refused all haircuts. She is also against any sort of personal hygiene for the children so has brought them up to think showers and baths are unnecessary so the detangling was a mission every time DSD got to us. When they were little it was a battle to get them to wash or brush their hair. The haircut thing we just had to accept as she would have stopped contact if we DH took DSD for a haircut. Some people on this thread have no idea what coparenting with a difficult person is like. It’s easy to say ‘just get their hair cut’ but they have no idea what the ramifications will be. My step children are teenagers now so DSD has to detangle it herself. Sorry OP, there’s really not much you can do