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To wonder why some people are more popular than others?

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shouldprobablyturnalighton · 03/12/2024 19:20

Especially those who don't seem to be particularly nice?!

There’s a child at my kids’ school who is incredibly popular. I’m there quite a bit for various reasons, and it’s astonishing how much attention this one child gets. Their name is constantly being called, for example if someone does something vaguely impressive, they want this kid to see it or if there’s a game going on, they want this kid to join. The school has noticed too and the parents called in at one point because the sheer level of attention was becoming too much.

We’ve known this kid for years. Back in nursery, their name was a regular feature on reports concerning my children (think hitting, arguments, that sort of thing). It was very much a love-hate dynamic as they and my DC often brought out the worst in each other but still sought each other’s company. This has calmed down a bit of late, but since we've hit school I now hear from
other parents that this child isn’t particularly kind. Stories like orchestrating games to leave others out, saying 'I hate you' or “If you do X mean thing to so-and-so, you can play with us.” This doesn't seem like completely off the wall behaviour for kids based on my memory of being one, but I always thought it would happen when they were bigger rather than reception/year 1. Showing my naïvity perhaps but it's not happening with the majority, haven't heard anything about the other 20+ children so does seem like the exception rather than the rule at this point.

I’m trying (often failing but still trying!) not to judge too harshly—they’re still very little, and so much can change. But it does make me wonder: why is it that people, even young children, often crave the approval of those who aren’t very kind? And what is it which makes some people SO much more popular than others?!

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anxioussister · 04/12/2024 04:55

Annabella92 · 03/12/2024 20:12

Yes exactly this. In terms of social status hierarchies, nobody gives a shit about people's actual virtue or moral worth.

I actually think, in adulthood, most ‘popular’ people are pretty kind. A lot of the negativity about them comes from people outside their orbit who like to write them off as bitchy / mean because they don’t pay them attention. But they aren’t social workers who are obliged to make everyone feel good about themselves… they’re just people living their lives.

with children I think it comes down to charisma + confidence. Fundamentally children, like humans, are drawn to the power that charisma creates. It’s the work of parents / teachers to make sure that ‘power’ is channeled kindly and empathetically

Ironicisntit · 04/12/2024 04:47

I'm going to try and articulate this as best I can,

From my own experiences throughout life I have seen popular people / children over the years

There seems to be 2 types of popular people. Some are very kind, outgoing, funny and people are just drawn to them

Where as the unkind popular people - their not popular in the right way. People want to stay on their good side to avoid being on their bad side.

My DS is friends with a not nice popular boy. Hes been horrid to DS in the past but then other days is very nice to him. DS finds it easier to be his friend than not 😭

Same with unkind adults, I've seen a lot where the adult is very two faced, yet people flock around them. I think it's because people dont want to be on the receiving end,

growinguptobreakingdown · 04/12/2024 04:41

My BF at primary was popular and could be a bit mean to me as well as others.I wanted to be around her because she was funny, felt exciting, made me laugh so much and was confident.She was sporty , could sing and dodnt care what others thought.I was very shy , creative and socially awkward and she made me feel less so by being in her company.When we went to secondary I was accepted into friend groups I would have been too shy to make if I wasn't her friend.

Namechangefordaughterevasion · 04/12/2024 04:10

Someone can be kind, pleasant and thoughtful with lovely manners whilst being simultaneously boring, unintelligent with no sense of humour. Their good qualities will make them an excellent friend but they won't be popular.

Conversely someone bright, charismatic and entertaining will probably be very popular even if they are also too selfish/spiteful/manipulative to be a good friend.

I can think of many people I've known over the years who fit these criteria. One of my SILs is an excellent example. I always enjoy seeing her and spending time with her because she is great company. She has a huge circle of friends, works hard at mixing and bringing people together and is always the centre of attention in any group. However I wouldn't consider her a friend because I've seen behind the social facade occasionally so I don't trust her.

This isn't to suggest all popular people are unpleasant. I have wonderful friends (and in-laws) who combine great characters with general popularity. I also have some quite isolated, quirky friends who are the opposite of popular but they are dear to me.

Guest100 · 04/12/2024 04:05

I think some people/kids have magnetic personalities, others are drawn to them. It could also be because they are attractive. This gives them power, and they can use it for good or bad.

Some people flock to the popular ones, some see through it and avoid them. I wasn’t clever enough to see it for what it was and as a child and was tormented by a popular girl. My daughter avoids the kids like that thank goodness. I don’t know if it’s because she is a lot more mature than I was at her age. Or because as soon as she had issues with the horrible kids at kindergarten I encouraged her to find other friends.

PissedOffAtApologistsForSA · 04/12/2024 03:43

@Goldbar I think is true in many cases. But the O P says this child is a bit unkind. Happy confident kids don't tend to be bullies.

@eRobin evil is a strong word to use about a child that young.

Goldbar · 03/12/2024 23:23

At reception-age, I don't think it's hugely complicated. The popular children tend to be the happy, confident ones who smile, initiate games and who aren't afraid to go up to other children and say "Do you want to play?"

WarmFrogPond · 03/12/2024 22:36

Annabella92 · 03/12/2024 20:12

Yes exactly this. In terms of social status hierarchies, nobody gives a shit about people's actual virtue or moral worth.

Well, ‘niceness’ has very little to do with virtue or moral worth either.

ihatetaxreturns · 03/12/2024 22:15

My 10 yo has always been like this

She is not horrible though

She is just super confident and she genuinely doesn't care if people like her or not . And I think that's the key

She's also a bit different to other kids. Always has been. Like, today it was non uniform day. She wore a band t shirt , band hoody, converse and baggy jeans , most of the other girls were in girly stuff like dresses etc . I've noticed her friends copy her a lot as well.

stargazerlil · 03/12/2024 21:39

Must have charisma, but so did jimmy saville, ted buddy etc

Tittat50 · 03/12/2024 20:19

One of the funniest most charismatic person I knew at school was and is incredibly cruel and manipulative. Yet, they were incredibly popular then and in other ways still is now I believe.

I remember always being friends with the outgoing relatively popular girls and they were all absolute bitches. I really liked their charisma and humour but used to wish so much that nasty side wasn't there.

Eventually, I became friends with people who were not inherently nasty like that and felt so much more peace in their presence. They weren't the stand out popular ones but had inherently decent qualities.

JLou08 · 03/12/2024 20:17

It would be interesting if some people came on this thread and admitted they were drawn to the kids who were mean and popular and gave some insight into the reasons.

TheaBrandt · 03/12/2024 20:13

Charisma. You’ve got it or you haven’t. How “nice” or not you are is irrelevant. Sadly people don’t seem to value “nice” in a friend as many friendless posters on here bemoan.

TheWayTheLightFalls · 03/12/2024 20:13

With this age it can be confidence, popularity, even just visibility - even if that visibility is the teacher reprimanding them every two minutes for poor behaviour.

Annabella92 · 03/12/2024 20:12

AllProperTeaIsTheft · 03/12/2024 19:35

Because 'nice' isn't actually as high up on people's 'most important qualities in a friend' list as we like to think. Funny, cool, attractive, interesting, popular, intelligent, 'interested in the same things as me' and 'from the same background as me' probably all rank higher. And children haven't learned how to override that list and consciously prioritise nice people. Neither have lots of adults!

Yes exactly this. In terms of social status hierarchies, nobody gives a shit about people's actual virtue or moral worth.

JLou08 · 03/12/2024 20:12

I've never understood it. Even as a child and teen I had no interest in popularity and it made me cringe (didn't even know what the word meant at the time) when I seen other people creep up to popular people and get excited when they had some acknowledgement from them. I just wanted to hang out with people who I felt comfortable with.

WarmFrogPond · 03/12/2024 20:12

I don’t think ‘kindness’ has anything to do with anyone’s appeal, though. Most adults are averagely kind, children often haven’t learnt to yet. But it’s certainly not a main criterion I look for in a friend. I take it for granted.

DelicateSoundOfEchos · 03/12/2024 20:09

Some people just have more of a pull and presence than others. Naturally that would extend to children.

Poodleville · 03/12/2024 20:07

Some people are like a ray of sunshine that people just love being near. But not always. Broadly speaking, I think people perceive some kind of power in some individuals, and think they will feel more powerful (or safe) by cosying up. When a group starts to head in the direction of one individual, others then think they'll miss out on something if they're not a part of it, and the momentum towards the chosen one builds even more.

okayhescereal · 03/12/2024 20:07

LittleRedRidingHoody · 03/12/2024 20:01

I think a lot of it is sheer confidence. DS is wildly popular ~ I was not! And being the mum of a popular kid is a huge culture shock ~ but the main difference seems to be in how he interacts.

He'll have a conversation with anyone, and expect them to want to join in and chat - as though they're just a friend he hasn't met yet. So peers his own age, he'll be best friends with immediately when we enter the park. Or adults. Or even older kids! DS is 5 and has point blank asked a random teenager to show him how to play basketball, and ended up with a bunch of teens lifting him up to push the ball through the hoop, giggling hysterically with him. Obviously if he was annoying anyone, I'd remove him from the situation and direct his attention elsewhere. But he never is! Everyone adores him! It's uncanny and a bit unnerving 🤣

Love this <3

LittleRedRidingHoody · 03/12/2024 20:01

I think a lot of it is sheer confidence. DS is wildly popular ~ I was not! And being the mum of a popular kid is a huge culture shock ~ but the main difference seems to be in how he interacts.

He'll have a conversation with anyone, and expect them to want to join in and chat - as though they're just a friend he hasn't met yet. So peers his own age, he'll be best friends with immediately when we enter the park. Or adults. Or even older kids! DS is 5 and has point blank asked a random teenager to show him how to play basketball, and ended up with a bunch of teens lifting him up to push the ball through the hoop, giggling hysterically with him. Obviously if he was annoying anyone, I'd remove him from the situation and direct his attention elsewhere. But he never is! Everyone adores him! It's uncanny and a bit unnerving 🤣

goodkidsmaadhouse · 03/12/2024 19:48

IME of the kids I see at work and the kids at my kids’ schools - I haven’t actually experienced this at all. There are a handful of boys and girls who don’t seem especially kind and they’re popular amongst their own small groups of similarly not especially kind kids but most of the popular kids actually are the nice ones. Which is really lovely to see. And most of the kids are basically nice (mistakes that we all make notwithstanding!)

eRobin · 03/12/2024 19:47

When I was a child and in primary there were evil children like this in my class

Quitelikeit · 03/12/2024 19:45

I think the nasty ones know how to just keep the balance right between going too far and alienating everyone

okayhescereal · 03/12/2024 19:43

Crazycatlady79 · 03/12/2024 19:32

Maybe stop gossiping with other parents about a KS1 child?!

If they were chatting about how kind and lovely someone was would that also be gossip? Perhaps a particular child got a part in the play? Is that allowed?

You've never had another parent discuss something with you which may involve someone from school? Feel more like parents who are relatively new to school ground politics sharing experiences, perhaps looking for advice from others, rather than gossip.