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The older we get, the more conservative we become?

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EddyF · 03/12/2024 18:28

Just wondering if people believe this. I’m in my thirties and although I have always had real socialist views and I have always voted Labour, I am struggling with some of my current viewpoints which lean more to the conservative way. I think I have lost a bit of societal empathy and seeing things as a ‘dog eat dog world; everyone out for themselves’.

There are so many issues I see locally (London) that I just think not everyone can be saved. The services are stretched; high streets are depressing and people have too many needs and often those needs are not isolated and are multiple. I feel less empathetic and more “can’t you just help yourself”. There doesn’t appear to be a safety net or one that is efficient enough, which to my surprise, has harden me a bit. Maybe it is age😆

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ForGreyKoala · 04/12/2024 05:52

tothelefttotheleft · 03/12/2024 18:43

I'm as left wing as I've always been.

Me too. I don't think I'm going to change at 65!

XWKD · 04/12/2024 05:20

I am 58 and very left-leaning regarding some issues, but not so much regarding others.

I was probably more idealistic when I was younger and had a rather simplistic view of right and wrong.

Tradersinsnow · 04/12/2024 05:01

As leftwing as I ever was and the same for my partner. 61 and 71. My parents in their 80's are becoming more leftwing with age.

yossell · 04/12/2024 04:59

No, I've gone the other way. Seeing how inequality has increased, seeing how the wealthy have consolidated their grip on power, seeing the erosion of worker's rights, I'm now embarrassed that I was ever sympathetic to Blairs new labour.

That said, I've moved left in the old sense of 'left'. I'm not so sympathetic to the current shift to identity politics and actually don't understand why it's called left wing. Though, even here, I think the frothing at that wings excesses is largely exaggerated up by right wing commentators for political purposes.

Diomi · 04/12/2024 04:35

I think as you get older you become more independent, more cynical and better at running your own life. Left wing politics can seem too paternalistic.

TheaBrandt · 04/12/2024 03:58

Had dreadful neighbours before we moved who encapsulated the work shy / under class Jeremy Kyle lifestyle and made our lives a misery with their grim behaviour. Witnessing that on a daily basis drained much of my middle class left leaning naive sympathy mindset away I can tell you.

Ratisshortforratthew · 04/12/2024 02:57

BluebirdBoogie · 03/12/2024 18:39

I've gone completely the other way. I see so much more unfairness in my 50s than I saw in my 20s. Would never, ever vote for a right wing party.

Same here. I was right wing as an ignorant 20 year old. The older I get the further left I go. I’m developing more and more communist ideals as I get older

ThatAgileGoldMoose · 04/12/2024 01:19

I have moved to the right slightly though am still just left off centre. The trans rights > women's rights subject has pushed me to the right.

I hope that I will always stay left of centre, as I'm still passionate that state should provide a safety net and protect vulnerable members of society.

GingersOwner26 · 04/12/2024 01:14

BluebirdBoogie · 03/12/2024 18:39

I've gone completely the other way. I see so much more unfairness in my 50s than I saw in my 20s. Would never, ever vote for a right wing party.

My mum's the same - I can remember a time when she voted for Mrs Thatcher, whereas now she'll shout "twat" at the telly every time a Tory MP comes on and would never vote them again.

TempestTost · 03/12/2024 23:45

Annabella92 · 03/12/2024 20:29

Does it go ever further right? I just don't see the evidence for it. First trans MP, introduced proposals for GRR reform, highest levels of inward migration, what's right wing about them at all? They've even got a black female leader

What even is right wing then?

They're all liberals

Why can't a black female leader be right wing?

A lot of black people, especially those from Africa, are very conservative. My ILs are Caribbean, and they are pretty conservative too.

There are a lot of posts here that seem to have a really odd idea of what defines right wing or conservative (which aren't quite the same in the end.)

Stretchedresources · 03/12/2024 23:04

Yabu. I'm more left / green the older I get. Much angrier about things.

ocs30 · 03/12/2024 22:54

Brownwitch · 03/12/2024 22:49

I feel lucky in my life, others have not had such luck and they are the people I think of when I vote.
I feel this more strongly as I have gotten older.

I generally agree with that. I don't know how useful the left and right labels are these days, but I've certainly become much more concerned about structural inequality and seen it become more pronounced, a lot of which I would ascribe to the unfettered neoliberal capitalism of the Thatcher/Reagan era, only to be continued under Clinton and Blair to a large degree.

I am extremely concerned about the roles of the extremely wealthy in society and am not sure I see any side as having the will to counter that. I left a highly paid city job to work in the public sector and now see so many people who are essentially born without much of a chance in life. I find it very upsetting.

TempestTost · 03/12/2024 22:54

Dash0Cal · 03/12/2024 18:41

I’ve become more conservative on some things and more radical on others. I’m much more interested in traditions, the countryside, local history than when I was younger (more conservative) but that’s come with some real rage at lack of care for the environment and I’m much more active on this front than I was as a youngster (more radical), when I didn’t really think about it at all.

There are plenty of conservatives who are into environmental issues though. They are often much better on things like local agriculture and land issues, as well as conservation. It fits very naturally into a traditionally conservative outlook.

It's become a little less common, I'm not sure if that's due to media polarization, or because it's become completely associated with the solutions the left proposes which not everyone who cares about the environment believe will be effective.

WarmFrogPond · 03/12/2024 22:49

Not in my experience. I have several older Quaker friends in their eighties and nineties who are continually on leftwing and pacifist matches and demos.

TempestTost · 03/12/2024 22:49

I think that as people age they change in certain ways:

They often start to see things from a bigger picture, they have a longer lens. They have seen certain things come around before. They realise that a certain idea that sounds great is impractical.

A lot of complexities and lateral influences that are almost invisible to younger people are clear to older people.

Older people are much more savvy about other people and how likely things like behaviour change are.

They are much less influenced by peers or other "cool" groups - as much as young people like to think they are free-thinkers, as a rule they aren't. They care a lot less about others labeling them.

They can see that many traditional social structures exist for a reason - to constrain behaviour, for example.

In my experience, a lot of people as they age may have the same goals as they did when younger, but come to see many leftist political policies as unrealistic, Utopian, and likely to have a negative trade off.

Brownwitch · 03/12/2024 22:49

I feel lucky in my life, others have not had such luck and they are the people I think of when I vote.
I feel this more strongly as I have gotten older.

cardibach · 03/12/2024 22:46

DogInATent · 03/12/2024 22:38

So a policy of nationalising the railways has neither a Left nor Right wing ideological background? It just appears out of the void.

I didn’t say no policies were left or right. Nationalising/privatising have rationales that mean one side wouldn’t do them but on many topics - enough to form a portfolio of policies - the rationale can be different but the practical action very much the same.

ThinkAboutItTomorrow · 03/12/2024 22:44

It's interesting. I saw my mum go full circle, brought up working class and very left wing, turned into the cliche that there's no better Tory than a working class lass done good. As she aged she regained her empathy and drifted back to the left, disgusted by the damage done and people left to struggle.

I'm middle aged and still left wing but have moments of thinking people should help themselves more. Then I give myself a bit of a shake and remember my privilege of having had a supportive and loving upbringing that pushed me to achieve and gave me the confidence and self belief that makes 'helping yourself' possible.

JustMarriedBecca · 03/12/2024 22:39

I am very middle ground. Always have been, envisage always will be.
Given the Tories have swung massively to the right and Labour now occupy the middle ground, I would align myself more with Labour.

I have always been for a hand up not a hand out and having to work. I don't like the idea of endless benefits for all without some form of contribution back into society.

DogInATent · 03/12/2024 22:38

cardibach · 03/12/2024 22:33

You spoke about policy portfolios coming from one side or the other. Not really such a thing.

So a policy of nationalising the railways has neither a Left nor Right wing ideological background? It just appears out of the void.

NantesElephant · 03/12/2024 22:36

I find as I age that I’m a lot less tolerant of anyone who voted conservative. Reform or Brexit.

cardibach · 03/12/2024 22:35

Zae134 · 03/12/2024 20:28

When I did my A-Levels, my history teacher explained this by saying that, when you're young you want the kinds of policies that left wing parties offer. You likely have a young family or are on a very low income, so the welfare state really matters to you. You also want more houses to be built, or you need social housing. As you grow into your 40s and 50s, you've likely got your own house and your family is growing up and moving on. Now you want the kinds of policies that right wing parties offer- less payments towards the welfare state, interest rates on mortgages, less building on green spaces.
I don't know if this really is the reason though!

Your history teacher might have been speaking for himself. He shouldn’t have said that was how it was for others though, because it’s nonsense. I’m more than happy to pay my share to the welfare state as I recognise it makes everyone’s life better to live in a society where people aren’t in poverty and where health, education etc work properly.

cardibach · 03/12/2024 22:33

DogInATent · 03/12/2024 22:31

They're about ideology. But that doesn't affect what I've written.

You spoke about policy portfolios coming from one side or the other. Not really such a thing.

cardibach · 03/12/2024 22:32

Dappy777 · 03/12/2024 22:11

In my experience, the most intelligent people end up skeptical, cynical, and mildly conservative. The word 'conservative' is misused, however. Thatcher, for example, wasn't a conservative. She was a revolutionary. George Orwell was far more conservative than her. Having read him extensively, I'm sure that were he alive today he'd see right through the woke fanatics. He'd want to conserve the literary canon, for example, and would be outraged by attempts to censor and re-write classic novels. He'd also want to conserve the green belt, and would probably be against mass immigration, mainly because it leads to endless house building and the destruction of the countryside. Margaret Thatcher didn't care about literature, or art, or beautiful buildings. She wasn't interested in conserving such things. Her focus was on deregulating the economy. It's kind of funny that the left spent years trying to smash up the class system, yet it was Thatcher who really destroyed it.

I have certainly moved to the right as I've got older (though I'm a vegan, oppose blood sports, support the LGBTQ community, believe in progressive taxation, and so on). In part that's down to my actual experience of left-wing people. In general, I find them deeply unpleasant, and deeply unimpressive. I've met very few I've genuinely liked. They seem to fall into certain types:

  1. The bitter, destructive, hate-filled ones, who just want to smash things up and provoke others. Frankie Boyle is a good example of this type. Though they hide behind a mask of moral superiority, they're often the nastiest, cruelest people you'll ever meet.

  2. The narcissistic, attention-seeking, show off type. You know, the ones who think they're rebels fighting the system (they ARE the system!...it's the patriotic conservatives who are the counter-culture). Anyone who went to university has met this sort. Rick in The Young Ones is a good send up of the type. Russell Brand is another example.

  3. The naive, silly, weak-minded, easily led type. Usually, they've come under the influence of some charismatic, forceful personality (a number 2 type) who's spotted their weakness.

  4. The ones in search of a substitute for religion. For this type, left-wing politics is more a cult, something they can lose themselves in, something that gives their life meaning and purpose.

Obviously not all left-wing people fall into one of those groups, but the ones I respect tend to be moderate and skeptical and able to think for themselves. I'm equally hostile to the free market Thatcherite monsters btw. Any form of extremism or black and white thinking rings alarm bells. The only people I truly respect are sensible, moderate, compassionate (I mean genuinely compassionate, not just striking a pose) and independent-minded.

Well this is largely nonsense.
What categories would you say for the right?
Selfish and rich, wanting more and not to share?
Selfish and not rich, assuming they’ll get there by some miracle?
Just hating everyone not like themselves?

Works both ways. Stupid generalisations are stupid. And your understanding of Conservatism as a political perspective is flawed. Plus your view of Orwell.

DogInATent · 03/12/2024 22:31

cardibach · 03/12/2024 22:29

Left and right wing are about philosophy, not policy.

They're about ideology. But that doesn't affect what I've written.