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The older we get, the more conservative we become?

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EddyF · 03/12/2024 18:28

Just wondering if people believe this. I’m in my thirties and although I have always had real socialist views and I have always voted Labour, I am struggling with some of my current viewpoints which lean more to the conservative way. I think I have lost a bit of societal empathy and seeing things as a ‘dog eat dog world; everyone out for themselves’.

There are so many issues I see locally (London) that I just think not everyone can be saved. The services are stretched; high streets are depressing and people have too many needs and often those needs are not isolated and are multiple. I feel less empathetic and more “can’t you just help yourself”. There doesn’t appear to be a safety net or one that is efficient enough, which to my surprise, has harden me a bit. Maybe it is age😆

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WarriorN · 03/12/2024 19:24

My "studied peace studies and hung out at greenham common" mate found a career in social work made her more conservative.

Similarly here I think, teaching vulnerable children, and having my own children.

ReignOfError · 03/12/2024 19:22

Statistically, it’s true. There is a theory that the more you own (so feel the need to protect/worry about losing), the more likely you are to vote conservative - it’s why Thatcher was dead keen on flogging off council houses.

Intetestingly, the age at which that shift happens has been increasing, and jumped massively over the past few years, quite possibly because the age at which people have assets has also changed so much.

My politics have not changed (I’m pushing 70) but where I was once a moderate centrist, I’m now seen as a far left socialist, and my sister even told someone I was a communist recently.

Littlemissgobby · 03/12/2024 19:21

lakesiders · 03/12/2024 19:17

I think I'm as left wing as I've always been. Labour are currently too right wing for me. I can't see me veering to the right any time soon ever.

I am a pragmatist they won't go further to the left we havd reform chomping at the bits and people don't realise this . I think sometimes some on the left want perfection. I just don't want reform or tories in power

MissAnthr0pe · 03/12/2024 19:20

BluebirdBoogie · 03/12/2024 18:39

I've gone completely the other way. I see so much more unfairness in my 50s than I saw in my 20s. Would never, ever vote for a right wing party.

Yes this is me ⬆️

lakesiders · 03/12/2024 19:17

I think I'm as left wing as I've always been. Labour are currently too right wing for me. I can't see me veering to the right any time soon ever.

Jl2014 · 03/12/2024 19:14

From an economic perspective I think I have become more left wing as I’ve aged. I had a relatively fortunate upbringing and have appreciated more as I’ve gotten older that so much is down to luck and good fortune. The ups and downs of life happen to everyone but some people have it really tough and I do believe we need a safety net there. I see the super rich as more of a problem as they are hoarding wealth. The constant need for “more”- where is that getting us?

user1471453601 · 03/12/2024 19:13

The premise that all people become more right wing as they get older is nonsense.

I'm in my 70s now, and I'm as left wing as I was. What's different about my views is that I don't think everything can change straight away because a more left leaning government takes over.

I now appreciate that change takes time - a concept I couldn't probably countenance 50 years ago.
Which is ironic when you think about it. When I was young, I had the time to wait for change, but couldn't countenance it, now I'm old it's the other way way around.

But, I'm still left wing, if being left wing means thinking every person should be accorded dignity, that I'm as good as everyone, and everyone is as good as me. And society does exist, and I would like it to be kind and helpful, rather than looking for the fault in the individual that might have caused their downfall.

I'm all too aware that, at certain times in my life, I could have been homeless, with all of the horrors that can bring, were it not for having a supportive family around me. Not everyone has the blessing.

Interlaken · 03/12/2024 19:12

I actually see my parents move to be more socially liberal. Born into super conservative Ireland of the 1930’s, happy enough when we had a mixed race openly gay Taioseach.

Fiscally they are definitely more right of centre, and always have been.

Littlemissgobby · 03/12/2024 19:12

BluebirdBoogie · 03/12/2024 18:39

I've gone completely the other way. I see so much more unfairness in my 50s than I saw in my 20s. Would never, ever vote for a right wing party.

Funny enough I have now . I believe i have been educated as a working class person who was kicked out if hone at 17 I hot involved with what we woukd call angry young men.
I remember the bradford bnp March a man i knew took me I was so niave I really was. I can see how radicalisation works but in the last few years I have got very political and realise that they are pitting us all against each other when the real issue is those with te wealth at the top

DogInATent · 03/12/2024 19:11

If you mean conservative (with a small 'c') then yes. And not completely, just more. Experience tempers idealism. Of course as Conservatism (with a big 'C') lurches ever further to the right, that gives a lot of leeway to become more conservative whilst still being on the left of politics as a whole.

Jagoda · 03/12/2024 19:08

No. I am in my sixties now and still very left wing.

ProvincialLady24 · 03/12/2024 19:08

The older I get the more I say to myself:

  • live and let live
  • mind your own business

Words to live by!!

Littlemissgobby · 03/12/2024 19:07

Nope I have empathy, so instead of blaming the people at the top that have caused this issue, you are looking at poor people and saying they should help themselves. That's nice. Not.
Yes maybe some should if they can but at the age of 44I actually find myself going more to the left, because i can't walk around a systematic state that we are in, i do not get that people are going to vote reform. I think that's bloody disgusting. History tells us everything we need to know that people get marginalised and blamed inc Minorities, for what is the government's issue? And that whenever there is low economic problems in the world, people turn to the right, it's the same old, same old because people are idiots.
This selfishness has come on from thatcher's days and quite frankly, I also find it quite disturbing.How many people can walk in by Watch somebody hurt themselves, and don't do f* all

Coffeenbiscuit · 03/12/2024 19:07

Garlicwest · 03/12/2024 18:57

Are these comments about "the left" coming from the USA? American political thinking is such that "left" means a low-fat, vegan soup of every liberal value, while "right" means staunchly traditional values. Both are more capitalist than the average European and more religious than most. Britain ain't America, though I fear our politics may be becoming more like theirs.

No I'm not in the US, although admittedly I haven't lived in the UK for 10 years either!

I think the point I was trying to make, is that my views haven't changed at all - but whereas 10-20 years ago I would have considered myself 'left leaning', this ideology seems to have changed and I no longer feel aligned.

That's just my view, and my experience. Maybe I'm way off the mark of what the OP was meaning though 🤷🏼‍♀️

NordicwithTeen · 03/12/2024 19:07

I'm not becoming more conservative but liberal. I used to be a labour voter but now more liberal.

Catza · 03/12/2024 19:04

Not for me. I still believe in community, collaboration and equality. I believe that society is only as strong as it's weakest member. Do I believe nobody should be responsible for their own life? Of course not. But that does not make me more right wing.
I also have experience growing up under communism. I think people have some really funny ideas about socialism/communism being about idle people being supported by the state. Do you know that it was illegal not to work under communism? You were put in prison and, in many cases, forced into slave labour if you refused to work.

Garlicwest · 03/12/2024 18:57

Coffeenbiscuit · 03/12/2024 18:32

I think its just that the left becomes more and more extreme

Are these comments about "the left" coming from the USA? American political thinking is such that "left" means a low-fat, vegan soup of every liberal value, while "right" means staunchly traditional values. Both are more capitalist than the average European and more religious than most. Britain ain't America, though I fear our politics may be becoming more like theirs.

Crunched · 03/12/2024 18:56

'If You Are Not a Liberal When You Are Young, You Have No Heart, and If You Are Not a Conservative When Old, You Have No Brain'
Thought I'd throw this in as no one else has yet.I believe it is a quote from a Frenchman in the 19th century.

yorktown · 03/12/2024 18:53

Might it depend on where you start out?
I am quite left wing but my teenagers appear to me to be very right wing. I am not sure how much further to the right they can go.

Garlicwest · 03/12/2024 18:51

gannett · 03/12/2024 18:46

Not here. If anything I'm getting further left with every passing year (having started off as an unthinking centre-left teenager). The more settled I become in myself the more my eyes are opened to injustice and inequality in the wider world. And the root of the problem is always, in some way, neoliberal capitalism.

Thanks for saying 'neoliberal'. I'm a fan of capitalism; it's created a better world in ways too numerous to count, including the big things like food security and disease control. But no ideology should be allowed to run amok, they should always be moderated.

AuntieMarys · 03/12/2024 18:49

Definitely not. I'm a very angry woman in my 60s who loathes the monarchy

MurdoMunro · 03/12/2024 18:49

Nah. The words change, call me a leftie, progressive, woke, whatever. Same as I ever was (sing that back and you’ll get a good guess at my age).

bluejelly · 03/12/2024 18:48

I become more enraged about the state of the world the older I get. I am Green/left and always have been - definitely not getting more conservative.

Notgoodatpoetrybutgreatatlit · 03/12/2024 18:47

I'm 58 still a proud commie troublemaker always will be!
I have always been pragmatic and vote Labour but I did enjoy voting for a communist party in a totally safe labour seat once.
I really agree with the pp who said help one person. It's like what Batman told Flash in Justice League just save one person. Of course once he got started he saved loads of people. I love that line.
And who destroyed the safety net eh? It was Tory austerity.

Meadowfinch · 03/12/2024 18:46

I think it"s a mix of pragmatism and a realisation that there are different sides to every argument.