"Trans people should not be allowed to use women’s showers and changing rooms, proposed NHS guidance says" - Darlington Nurses draft new guidance.

I argue that is the main but not the sole reason for a third space. Some people should have additional privacy.

I too have seen the delusion that TW think that they ''pass''.
They don't, the size of them, the build, women instinctively recognise an XY, probably as a survival mechanism -even an XY in a dress and full wig and fake boobs still gives ''uncanny valley'' dissonance.

Blaire White is probably one of the best ''passing'' but I haven't seen Blaire in person, but at least Blaire White respects women.

Keep men out of women's spaces.
I'll never stop saying it.

Parents with children that need support either literally or for their sons safety because they don’t want them in the mens as it’s mainly used by adult males should use the mixed toilet / accessible facilities.

Young boys usually use facilities with their parents

It's more "outing" for a TW to use a women only space because everyone looks around thinking why the f is there a bloke in here

I personally think that young boys using male changing rooms are a major risk often overlooked. But women seem to be fine with it despite saying that men are more likely to be predators (which is true, but being applied selectively).

Yes, clearly. The only voices we haven't heard are those of transgender people, just the usual transphobic media outlets, and Labour taking the easy route of punching down.

If they've been on testosterone for a decade or whatever so they look like a small man, they can use the mixed or neutral space.
Not the women's. They certainly can't compete in women's sport given the drug induced sporting advantages.

Thankfully the EA2010 already addresses this and states in the exemptions that transmen can be lawfully excluded from women only spaces along with transwomen.

Even more, if alternative facilities were available they should have been offered to the small number of trans identifying men to use, not force women out of their own facilities.

To you and I perhaps.
But this will be the argument.

😫 now that’s even more to worry about but agree

That data would be irrelevant, and wondering about it is somewhere between bait and a strawman.

Edit: sorry, the above sounded like I'm having a go at you. I'm not, I'm having a go at the usual counter-argument.

What would be relevant is the general data on male violence against women. Because that is what happens when you say "sure, blokes can go shower with women as long as all the blokes pinky-swear that they are really truly women."

I don't care if a woman is using a female space. They're not generally a danger to women.

Trans people will not want to be publicly ‘outed’ by using the mixed toilet / space.

There's nothing "outing" about using a mixed sex space that both sexes are able to use

For those people saying changing room by sex, how will women feel when a transman is using their space?

Have you used the Equality Act? Single sex spaces are permitted under the EA.

We need a National resetting of language starting with the Equality act. Public toilets have a range of random names and symbols as to who can use them and are open to abuse. I'd like to see MALES, FEMALES and UNISEX. Anyone using the wrong facility should have the police called on them.

It won’t happen . We will all eventually have shared facilities, because this is the only way to please all parties.
Trans people will not want to be publicly ‘outed’ by using the mixed toilet / space.
In some countries lots of facilities are mixed anyway , where adults of both sexes and children too get changed all together, eg for swimming. I imagine this will be the future here.

Unfortunately that’s exactly what my employer has decided to do. We’ve had male/female locker rooms since forever. They have now decided we need one locker room for everyone, with a couple of “pods” at the far end where all changing must take place. Everyone, male and female, needs to change at the start and end of every shift due to the nature of the job. Everyone has complained but it’s going ahead anyway.

or the disabled

Men should not be using women's facilities under any circumstances. Two men I know who have had all the surgeries will not use women's loos because they know it will cause distress to the women there.

One man who intrudes into women's spaces is enough to create anxiety and discomfort in the women there regardless of his gender identity. They hardly ever pass however they want to con themselves.

It may surprise you but "mentally ill" people also have rights. Or should we ban people with depression from using "healthy people's" toilets?

I'd suspect a lot of these hidden camera's are actually installed by employees of wherever they are. Single or mixed sex spaces wouldn't stop that. If the numbers were easily found, I'd bet the majority are found in single sex places.

Plus if they have access to spaces used by women they can put cameras in. We ve already seen cases of cameras being found in mixed facilities.
Cameras that have been found to have been there for long periods of time. Many of us could have personal images of ourselves on some dark perverts web
We’re looking to get a device ( app ) that checks for surveillance devices.
How stressful to even have to think about this.